time for a Joomla newsgroup !
support the initiative on news.groups and nl.newsgroups.
search there with keyword "joomla" and give your opinion, with solid
arguments.
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Osiris <no**@hotmail.c omwrote:
time for a Joomla newsgroup !
support the initiative on news.groups and nl.newsgroups.
search there with keyword "joomla" and give your opinion, with solid
arguments.
What's wrong with their forum? http://forum.joomla.org/
Peter
-- http://www.boosten.org
Mail: peter at boosten dot org
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:38:41 +0000 (UTC), no****@nowhere. invalid
(Peter Boosten) wrote:
>Osiris <no**@hotmail.c omwrote:
>time for a Joomla newsgroup !
support the initiative on news.groups and nl.newsgroups.
search there with keyword "joomla" and give your opinion, with solid
arguments.
What's wrong with their forum?
http://forum.joomla.org/
Peter
nothing.
What's wrong with a VW Golf ?
Nothing.
but we need a bus too...
(btw: I just spent 15 minutes to get into that forum: register,
receive emty confirmation e-mail, password too short etc. etc...
a WV Golf is not a BMW....;-)
Osiris <no**@hotmail.c omwrote:
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:38:41 +0000 (UTC), no****@nowhere. invalid
(Peter Boosten) wrote:
nothing.
What's wrong with a VW Golf ?
Nothing.
but we need a bus too...
Why?
The extra problem you're creating is that information on one subject
is scattered even further, making searches for that information harder
and harder.
So now you know my argument, how about yours?
Peter
-- http://www.boosten.org
Mail: peter at boosten dot org
Peter Boosten wrote:
Osiris <no**@hotmail.c omwrote:
>>time for a Joomla newsgroup !
support the initiative on news.groups and nl.newsgroups.
search there with keyword "joomla" and give your opinion, with solid
arguments.
What's wrong with their forum?
http://forum.joomla.org/
Peter
Absolutely nothing. It does a great job supporting the product. And I
doubt many of the Joomla community would switch. A newsgroup would be
DOA before it even got off the ground.
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Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp. js*******@attgl obal.net
=============== === no****@nowhere. invalid (Peter Boosten) wrote:
Osiris <no**@hotmail.c omwrote:
>time for a Joomla newsgroup !
support the initiative on news.groups and nl.newsgroups.
search there with keyword "joomla" and give your opinion, with solid
arguments.
What's wrong with their forum?
http://forum.joomla.org/
It appears to be the rough equivalent of a moderated Usenet forum, since
the owner/operator of the web forum can edit posts, remove posts, or
blacklist posters.
An unmoderated Usenet forum would be operating with a different set of
ground rules that provides almost no centralized editorial control of
content.
The two types of forums would therefore appear to have some complementary
aspects (assuming the Usenet group is kept unmoderated) and some
competitive aspects. E.g: Usenet group too "noisy" - go to the Joomla.org
forum; Joomla.org forum too restrictive - go to the Usenet newsgroup.
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:34:01 -0000, Jim Logajan <Ja****@Lugoj.c om>
wrote:
>no****@nowhere .invalid (Peter Boosten) wrote:
>Osiris <no**@hotmail.c omwrote:
>>time for a Joomla newsgroup !
support the initiative on news.groups and nl.newsgroups.
search there with keyword "joomla" and give your opinion, with solid
arguments.
What's wrong with their forum?
http://forum.joomla.org/
It appears to be the rough equivalent of a moderated Usenet forum, since
the owner/operator of the web forum can edit posts, remove posts, or
blacklist posters.
An unmoderated Usenet forum would be operating with a different set of
ground rules that provides almost no centralized editorial control of
content.
The two types of forums would therefore appear to have some complementary
aspects (assuming the Usenet group is kept unmoderated) and some
competitive aspects. E.g: Usenet group too "noisy" - go to the Joomla.org
forum; Joomla.org forum too restrictive - go to the Usenet newsgroup.
Of course, the choice between the two solutions is a false dilemma.
The situation is not one of XOR, but of AND, for the programmers
amongst us.
A feature of a forum is, e.g. that it can be extremely difficult to
get in: yesterday I spent about 15 minutes to get into joomla.org
forum. Really ! and I'm no novice on the WWW !
The sea of id's and passwords I have for all the forums I have been
to, you would not believe. I regularly forget one... nuisance, and the
veru faint smell of elitism...
Probably a forum is good for a smaller group of developers, but the
regular user, encountering a problem, wants the speed and prliferation
of Usenet.
I think Usenet can contribute significantly in the spreading of the
Word, by just being there and being easy to find.
Also the centralization of the diiscussions on Usenet, versus the
miriad of Joomla forums (every Tom, Dick and Harry....), would be
beneficial.
Osiris wrote:
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:34:01 -0000, Jim Logajan <Ja****@Lugoj.c om>
wrote:
>>no****@nowher e.invalid (Peter Boosten) wrote:
>>>Osiris <no**@hotmail.c omwrote:
time for a Joomla newsgroup !
support the initiative on news.groups and nl.newsgroups.
search there with keyword "joomla" and give your opinion, with solid
arguments .
What's wrong with their forum?
http://forum.joomla.org/
It appears to be the rough equivalent of a moderated Usenet forum, since
the owner/operator of the web forum can edit posts, remove posts, or
blacklist posters.
An unmoderated Usenet forum would be operating with a different set of
ground rules that provides almost no centralized editorial control of
content.
The two types of forums would therefore appear to have some complementary
aspects (assuming the Usenet group is kept unmoderated) and some
competitive aspects. E.g: Usenet group too "noisy" - go to the Joomla.org
forum; Joomla.org forum too restrictive - go to the Usenet newsgroup.
Of course, the choice between the two solutions is a false dilemma.
The situation is not one of XOR, but of AND, for the programmers
amongst us.
A feature of a forum is, e.g. that it can be extremely difficult to
get in: yesterday I spent about 15 minutes to get into joomla.org
forum. Really ! and I'm no novice on the WWW !
The sea of id's and passwords I have for all the forums I have been
to, you would not believe. I regularly forget one... nuisance, and the
veru faint smell of elitism...
Probably a forum is good for a smaller group of developers, but the
regular user, encountering a problem, wants the speed and prliferation
of Usenet.
I think Usenet can contribute significantly in the spreading of the
Word, by just being there and being easy to find.
Also the centralization of the diiscussions on Usenet, versus the
miriad of Joomla forums (every Tom, Dick and Harry....), would be
beneficial.
What took you so long? I can sign up for their forum in under 5 minutes
- less than three minutes if I don't count the time waiting for the
authorization email.
And yes, it is a case of either/or. People are not going to post the
same information to both the forum and usenet. They'll post it to the
forum and that's all.
But this is the wrong place to try to drum up support, anyway. You
should be trying to get it on the Joomla forums. But I see you've done
that - with, so far, a distinct lack of interest from the Joomla community.
--
=============== ===
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp. js*******@attgl obal.net
=============== ===
Osiris wrote:
Probably a forum is good for a smaller group of developers, but the
regular user, encountering a problem, wants the speed and prliferation
of Usenet.
I would actually argue that the "regular" joomla user probably doesn't
have a clue what Usenet is or how to get to it. Most people who use a
package like Joomla just want a quick and easy way to make a website
with a lot of nifty features. For people like them, a forum is perfect
because it's what they're used to (and you can make sticky topics for
the most common questions). It would actually be the more serious
developers writing new modules or adapting Joomla code to a specific
purpose who would be more apt to use Usenet, and for them, a simple
'developer' section of the forum would serve just as well.
I think Usenet can contribute significantly in the spreading of the
Word, by just being there and being easy to find.
Do you regularly poke around looking for new usenet groups? I know I
don't. How would it be easier to find? What could be more intuitive
than: "I need help with XXX for Joomla. I know, I'll check the
website. Oh look, there's a support section with a forum!"
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:21:33 -0500, Jerry Stuckle
<js*******@attg lobal.netwrote:
>Osiris wrote:
>On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:34:01 -0000, Jim Logajan <Ja****@Lugoj.c om>
wrote:
>>>no****@nowhe re.invalid (Peter Boosten) wrote:
Osiris <no**@hotmail.c omwrote:
>time for a Joomla newsgroup !
>support the initiative on news.groups and nl.newsgroups.
>
>search there with keyword "joomla" and give your opinion, with solid
>argument s.
What's wrong with their forum?
http://forum.joomla.org/
It appears to be the rough equivalent of a moderated Usenet forum, since
the owner/operator of the web forum can edit posts, remove posts, or
blacklist posters.
An unmoderated Usenet forum would be operating with a different set of
ground rules that provides almost no centralized editorial control of
content.
The two types of forums would therefore appear to have some complementary
aspects (assuming the Usenet group is kept unmoderated) and some
competitiv e aspects. E.g: Usenet group too "noisy" - go to the Joomla.org
forum; Joomla.org forum too restrictive - go to the Usenet newsgroup.
Of course, the choice between the two solutions is a false dilemma.
The situation is not one of XOR, but of AND, for the programmers
amongst us.
A feature of a forum is, e.g. that it can be extremely difficult to
get in: yesterday I spent about 15 minutes to get into joomla.org
forum. Really ! and I'm no novice on the WWW !
The sea of id's and passwords I have for all the forums I have been
to, you would not believe. I regularly forget one... nuisance, and the
veru faint smell of elitism...
Probably a forum is good for a smaller group of developers, but the
regular user, encountering a problem, wants the speed and prliferation
of Usenet.
I think Usenet can contribute significantly in the spreading of the
Word, by just being there and being easy to find.
Also the centralization of the diiscussions on Usenet, versus the
miriad of Joomla forums (every Tom, Dick and Harry....), would be
beneficial.
What took you so long? I can sign up for their forum in under 5 minutes
- less than three minutes if I don't count the time waiting for the
authorizatio n email.
I can get on to a usenet group in under 30 seconds.... No return
e-mails, no passwords, no hassle...
Not every Tom, Dick and Harry putting a forum up... centralized..
>
And yes, it is a case of either/or. People are not going to post the
same information to both the forum and usenet. They'll post it to the
forum and that's all.
Ummmmm, that is an XOR after all ....
>
But this is the wrong place to try to drum up support, anyway. You
should be trying to get it on the Joomla forums. But I see you've done
that - with, so far, a distinct lack of interest from the Joomla community.
mmm, does that sound a teeny little bit hostile ?
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