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PHP control array syntax vs HTML standard

PHP allows control arrays in forms e.g. this is a counter editing script

echo "<input name=\"counterd elname[]\" type=\"hidden\" value=\"";

echo "<input name=\"countern ame[]\" type=\"hidden\"
value=\"".$name str."\">";

echo "<input name=\"newvalue[]\" size=".VALUEWID TH."
value=\"".$valu estr."\">";

echo "<input name=\"delcount er[".$namestr. "]\" type=\"checkbox \">";

The resultant web page might look something like this, in part:

<td><font face="arial,hel vetica" size=2><input
name="delcounte r[www.mysite.co.n z:]" type="checkbox" ></font></td>
<tr><td><font face="arial,hel vetica" size=2><input name="counterna me[]"
type="hidden"
value="www.mysi te.co.nz:/20040313/index.shtml">www.mysite.co.nz:/20040313
/index.shtml</font></td>

Control arrays in PHP offer significant advantages in processing form
input where there are a variable number of sets of the same elements
repeated multiple times down the page to allow a set of records of the
same data fields to be edited. The form elements are received back in the
processing script as an array which can be dealt with in a
straightforward for loop.

According to HTML 4.0 standards, the name of an Input element should
follow these conventions:

"NAME tokens must begin with a letter ([A-Za-z]) and may be followed by
any number of letters, digits ([0-9]), hyphens ("-"), underscores ("_"),
colons (":"), and periods (".")."

I don't see anything there about the square brackets which are part of
the PHP array syntax, but they seem to be accepted and PHP seems to be
able to turn all the elements it receives into an array on the submission
of the form to the processing script. Is there something in the CGI
conventions or HTML that it does permit this syntax?
Jul 17 '05 #1
21 6458
Patrick Dunford wrote:
According to HTML 4.0 standards, the name of an Input element should
follow these conventions:

"NAME tokens must begin with a letter ([A-Za-z]) and may be followed by
any number of letters, digits ([0-9]), hyphens ("-"), underscores ("_"),
colons (":"), and periods (".")."


The name attribute of form controls doesn't actually accept a NAME token as
its value, it accepts CDATA. For an example of an attribute that takes a
NAME token, see 'http-equiv'

http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/index/attributes.html

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Jul 17 '05 #2
On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 08:42:53 +1200, Patrick Dunford <pa************ @nz.invalid>
wrote:
PHP allows control arrays in forms e.g. this is a counter editing script

The resultant web page might look something like this, in part:

<input name="counterna me[]" type="hidden"
value="www.mys ite.co.nz:/20040313/index.shtml">

According to HTML 4.0 standards, the name of an Input element should
follow these conventions:

"NAME tokens must begin with a letter ([A-Za-z]) and may be followed by
any number of letters, digits ([0-9]), hyphens ("-"), underscores ("_"),
colons (":"), and periods (".")."

I don't see anything there about the square brackets which are part of
the PHP array syntax, but they seem to be accepted and PHP seems to be
able to turn all the elements it receives into an array on the submission
of the form to the processing script. Is there something in the CGI
conventions or HTML that it does permit this syntax?


You've misread the HTML standards; please see some previous discussions:

http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?hl...3801803&rnum=1
http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?hl...f3b43cf&rnum=2
http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?hl...3f07028&rnum=3

The name attribute of the <input> element is not of type NAME, it is of type
CDATA, and so [ and ] are valid characters within the value of that attribute.

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Jul 17 '05 #3
Tim
On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 08:42:53 +1200,
Patrick Dunford <pa************ @nz.invalid> posted:
www.mysite.co.nz:/20040313


This is a most unusual way to specify an address. Why have you put a colon
there?

Ordinarily, colons are used in that position to specify a different port to
use (instead of the standard port 80). e.g. http://www.example.com:8000/

Cross-posting to so many newsgroups isn't such a brilliant thing to do,
either.

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Jul 17 '05 #4
Verily, verily, on Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:49:25 +0930 in nz.comp article
<14************ *************** ****@40tude.net >, Tim
<ti*@mail.local host.invalid> didst uttereth...
On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 08:42:53 +1200,
Patrick Dunford <pa************ @nz.invalid> posted:
www.mysite.co.nz:/20040313
This is a most unusual way to specify an address. Why have you put a colon
there?

Ordinarily, colons are used in that position to specify a different port to
use (instead of the standard port 80). e.g. http://www.example.com:8000/


Colons is a convention in linux programs as a field separator.

Cross-posting to so many newsgroups isn't such a brilliant thing to do,
either.


I'm interested in the subject matter not netiquette or political
correctness dross
Jul 17 '05 #5
Els
Patrick Dunford wrote:
Cross-posting to so many newsgroups isn't such a brilliant thing to do,
either.


I'm interested in the subject matter not netiquette or political
correctness dross


Reminds me of an episide of Spongebob Squarepants, where the
fish behind the ticket window of the busstation didn't
understand Spongebob until he used the same language as the
fish.

--
Els

Sonhos vem. Sonhos vão. O resto é imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -

Jul 17 '05 #6
Patrick Dunford wrote:
http://www.mysite.co.nz/20040313

I'm interested in the subject matter not netiquette or political
correctness dross


You may be interested to know that URL of yours gives me a 404 error.

'Later
Peter

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http://www.ulujain.org/
Jul 17 '05 #7
On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 22:25:13 +1200, Patrick Dunford
<pa************ @nz.invalid> wrote:
I'm interested in the subject matter not netiquette or political
correctness dross


Then, as this is a free discussion forum, you may feel free to ignore
those aspects of the thread.
Jul 17 '05 #8
Tim
Tim wrote:
Cross-posting to so many newsgroups isn't such a brilliant thing to do,
either.


Patrick Dunford <pa************ @nz.invalid> posted:
I'm interested in the subject matter not netiquette or political
correctness dross


When asking for help in the newsgroups, it's generally a good idea not to
piss off the people who might just help you. Demonstrating that you're not
interested in behaving yourself, and then going further by telling people
that you're not interested in behaving yourself, doesn't do anything to
help you, either.

Cross-posting isn't appreciated, even worse if you don't specify a
followup-to (so all replies get directed to one place). It's the sort of
thing that gets you instantly ignored by the people who know the most about
the problems you're asking about, and getting told not to do it by a lot of
other people. Making silly excuses about it just makes you look even
stupider.

--
If you insist on e-mailing me, use the reply-to address (it's real but
temporary). But please reply to the group, like you're supposed to.

This message was sent without a virus, please delete some files yourself.
Jul 17 '05 #9
Verily, verily, on Wed, 31 Mar 2004 04:06:43 +0930 in nz.comp article
<12************ *************** **@40tude.net>, Tim
<ti*@mail.local host.invalid> didst uttereth...
Tim wrote:
Cross-posting to so many newsgroups isn't such a brilliant thing to do,
either.

Patrick Dunford <pa************ @nz.invalid> posted:
I'm interested in the subject matter not netiquette or political
correctness dross


When asking for help in the newsgroups, it's generally a good idea not to
piss off the people who might just help you. Demonstrating that you're not
interested in behaving yourself, and then going further by telling people
that you're not interested in behaving yourself, doesn't do anything to
help you, either.


The same applies to people who post time wasting replies.

Jul 17 '05 #10

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