My Big Break (A question about Linux IDEs for PHP)

[Matt Saunders]

Hi all,

In a couple of weeks I get my big break. I joined my present employer (an
ISP) in a real bottom-rung-of-the-ladder customer support job several months
ago, without even getting an interview for the PHP coding job for which I'd
applied (it was all I could get at the time, I'd just left my previous, very
different job under unpleasant circumstances). In my spare time since then
I've brushed up my coding skills and demonstrated my ability to my employer,
and so in February I'll be starting as an application developer.

Here's the problem: It's a Linux-only development platform - that is to say,
the computer I'll be using at work must be Linux, they don't buy licenses
for M$.

And I've gotten where I am in terms of coding by relying a bit too much on
IDEs like PHPEdit which I've used for years (I even designed one of the
banners on http://www.phpedit.net/products/PHPEdit/banners.php - it's the
Flash one with the bike ;-) . So I've been spoiled with code completion,
integrated help, code insight etc.... Now don't get me wrong - I can do the
job, and do it well. Code I've written in my spare time in my current job
is already in constant, critical use in the company. But I have relied a
bit too much on this particular IDE...

So I've searched for days for something comparable for Linux. It has to be
freeware (company rule) which excludes NuSphere, Zend, Komodo...

I'm aware of course that this thread could trigger a "real men use vi"
attitude, and it may well be that I do need to do just that, but before I
give up, I'm asking around to see what people think.

At the moment a combination of Eclipse plus the phpeclipse plugin is leading
the way for me.

Any other suggestions?

Thanks a lot,

Matt Saunders

[Tim Van Wassenhove]

On 2004-01-08, Matt Saunders <ms*******@bitd ifferent.com> wrote:

Hi all,

In a couple of weeks I get my big break. I joined my present employer (an
ISP) in a real bottom-rung-of-the-ladder customer support job several months
ago, without even getting an interview for the PHP coding job for which I'd
applied (it was all I could get at the time, I'd just left my previous, very
different job under unpleasant circumstances). In my spare time since then
I've brushed up my coding skills and demonstrated my ability to my employer,
and so in February I'll be starting as an application developer.

Here's the problem: It's a Linux-only development platform - that is to say,
the computer I'll be using at work must be Linux, they don't buy licenses
for M$.
<ot>
In my eyes it is silly for a company to force there coders to use
whatever OS. I think they'll be more productive when they can use the
tools they want.
</ot>
So I've searched for days for something comparable for Linux. It has to be
freeware (company rule) which excludes NuSphere, Zend, Komodo...

Have you already tried running phpedit with wine ?

--
http://home.mysth.be/~timvw

[Tim Van Wassenhove]

On 2004-01-08, Tim Van Wassenhove <eu**@pi.be> wrote:

On 2004-01-08, Matt Saunders <ms*******@bitd ifferent.com> wrote:

Hi all,

In a couple of weeks I get my big break. I joined my present employer (an
ISP) in a real bottom-rung-of-the-ladder customer support job several months
ago, without even getting an interview for the PHP coding job for which I'd
applied (it was all I could get at the time, I'd just left my previous, very
different job under unpleasant circumstances). In my spare time since then
I've brushed up my coding skills and demonstrated my ability to my employer,
and so in February I'll be starting as an application developer.

Here's the problem: It's a Linux-only development platform - that is to say,
the computer I'll be using at work must be Linux, they don't buy licenses
for M$.

<ot>
In my eyes it is silly for a company to force there coders to use
whatever OS. I think they'll be more productive when they can use the
tools they want.
</ot>

So I've searched for days for something comparable for Linux. It has to be
freeware (company rule) which excludes NuSphere, Zend, Komodo...

Have you already tried running phpedit with wine ?

I've thrown a very quick look at the source of phpedit, and as it
appears to be written in pascal/delphi i wonder that you can't compile
it with kylix ;)

--
http://home.mysth.be/~timvw

[Ian.H]

On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 17:51:02 +0000, Matt Saunders wrote:

Hi all,

In a couple of weeks I get my big break. I joined my present employer (an
ISP) in a real bottom-rung-of-the-ladder customer support job several
months ago, without even getting an interview for the PHP coding job for
which I'd applied (it was all I could get at the time, I'd just left my
previous, very different job under unpleasant circumstances). In my spare
time since then I've brushed up my coding skills and demonstrated my
ability to my employer, and so in February I'll be starting as an
application developer.

Here's the problem: It's a Linux-only development platform - that is to
say, the computer I'll be using at work must be Linux, they don't buy
licenses for M$.

That's "not a bug, it's a feature" ;)

A problem only exists when you _are_ forced to use a windoze environment.

Anyway... welcome to the real world of computing.... I personally use
Anjuta (<http://anjuta.org/>) for GUI on *nix. I've never used PHPEdit..
only UltraEdit (UEdit) on windoze and Anjuta is very comparable to that
(if that's any use as reference for you).

Alternatively, I haven't tested it to any lengths to be able to give an
opinion, but also have a look for 'Screem'. From the pkg-descr file:
[tk@hybris:/usr/ports/www/screem]$ cat pkg-descr
SCREEM (Site CReating and Editing EnvironMent) is a VERY nice
GUI-based HTML editor, much like bluefish. It even imports bluefish
functions from your bluefish installation!

SCREEM makes a rather ideal GUI HTML editor, especially for
Unixheads who like using CVS to manage source trees, as SCREEM
has functional CVS interaction.

WWW: http://www.screem.org/

-- John Merryweather Cooper <jmcoopr < AT ] webmail [dot > bmi.net>

(e-mail address munged above by myself for obvious reasons < and ] are
relative to change).

It seems to handle "projects" which might be ideal for PHP development
too. As I say, I have it installed but I've not "used it" but do plan to
have a look anyway. Might be something of interest to yourself =)

Regards,

Ian

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Programming, Web design, development & hosting.

[Tim Van Wassenhove]

On 2004-01-08, Matt Saunders <ms*******@bitd ifferent.com> wrote:

So I've searched for days for something comparable for Linux. It has to be
freeware (company rule) which excludes NuSphere, Zend, Komodo...
Any other suggestions?

Quanta.

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[Matthew Robinson]

have a look at kdevelop (dont start flaming me for liking kde's tools
please)

[Chung Leong]

Try running PHPEdit under WINE?

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Hi all,

In a couple of weeks I get my big break. I joined my present employer (an
ISP) in a real bottom-rung-of-the-ladder customer support job several months ago, without even getting an interview for the PHP coding job for which I'd applied (it was all I could get at the time, I'd just left my previous, very different job under unpleasant circumstances). In my spare time since then I've brushed up my coding skills and demonstrated my ability to my employer, and so in February I'll be starting as an application developer.

Here's the problem: It's a Linux-only development platform - that is to say, the computer I'll be using at work must be Linux, they don't buy licenses
for M$.

And I've gotten where I am in terms of coding by relying a bit too much on
IDEs like PHPEdit which I've used for years (I even designed one of the
banners on http://www.phpedit.net/products/PHPEdit/banners.php - it's the
Flash one with the bike ;-) . So I've been spoiled with code completion,
integrated help, code insight etc.... Now don't get me wrong - I can do the job, and do it well. Code I've written in my spare time in my current job
is already in constant, critical use in the company. But I have relied a
bit too much on this particular IDE...

So I've searched for days for something comparable for Linux. It has to be freeware (company rule) which excludes NuSphere, Zend, Komodo...

I'm aware of course that this thread could trigger a "real men use vi"
attitude, and it may well be that I do need to do just that, but before I
give up, I'm asking around to see what people think.

At the moment a combination of Eclipse plus the phpeclipse plugin is leading the way for me.

Any other suggestions?

Thanks a lot,

Matt Saunders

[Jeffrey Silverman]

On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 17:51:02 +0000, Matt Saunders wrote:

Here's the problem: It's a Linux-only development platform - that is to say,
the computer I'll be using at work must be Linux, they don't buy licenses
for M$.

Nice. Doesn't sound like a problem. It sounds like a rare perk -- at
least in the US, on the east coast...

Sounds like my dream office, though. Any cute chicks there?

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| Jeffrey Silverman |
| jeffrey-AT-jhu-DOT-edu|
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[Matt Saunders]

<collated reply to all posters. I'm lazy ;-)>

Thanks everyone for your suggestions. I must confess I haven't tried
PHPEdit under wine so I'll give that a go - but to be honest I couldn't say
that PHPEdit is 100% stable even natively - so I doubt I'd risk developing
with it for a living under emulation.

To those of you who saw a Linux environment as a blessing, well I do see
your point - it's just another element of crossover for me though because
I've been a windows user since the beginning. So I'm changing jobs,
changing platforms... it's all change! But that's a good thing, and I'm
sure I'll settle in.

I will certainly investigate the suggestions you've made: anjunta looks
particularly promising from a brief look.

Thanks again,

Matt S.

[Matt Saunders]

"Jeffrey Silverman" <je*****@jhu.ed u> wrote in message
news:pa******** *************** *****@jhu.edu.. .

On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 17:51:02 +0000, Matt Saunders wrote:

Here's the problem: It's a Linux-only development platform - that is to say, the computer I'll be using at work must be Linux, they don't buy licenses for M$.

Nice. Doesn't sound like a problem. It sounds like a rare perk -- at
least in the US, on the east coast...

Sounds like my dream office, though. Any cute chicks there?

--
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| Jeffrey Silverman |
| jeffrey-AT-jhu-DOT-edu|
-------------------------

Cuteness is in the eye of the beholder, and this particular beholder is
married with three kids and a seminary education (I told you that my old job
was *very* different!) so I don't look around for that very much! But we
are actively recruiting for all sorts of jobs -
http://www.plus.net/careers/index.html - which unfortunately for you is the
UK...

MS