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Obfuscator - Know a Good One?

SR
Looking for a Obfuscator that provides advanced Obfuscation like string
encryption. Purchasing one is fine. It would be nice to hear from
developers what products do the job. The price range goes from around
$400-$1400, where products like Spices.NET (9Rays) and Xenocode are at the
bottom of the scale, and Demeanor (Wise Owl) in the middle and Dotfuscator
at the top end.

Which ones are developers using? I'm leaning towards one of the 2 products
on the lower end due to price...
Jul 21 '05 #1
6 1642
Hello,

I am using Wise OWL Demeanor because it is included in my version of
Delphi for .NET. It do the job very nice - only the public methods and
variables are not encrypted (maybe because it is a limited edition).

If you have VS.NET a lite version of Dotfuscator is included. Why do
not to use it?

Regards,

Philip.

Jul 21 '05 #2
SR.

Always the same answer, what is a good Obfuscator. One that makes it
impossible to reengineer your program. That one does not exist.

Look to who and why you want on a certain level to protect your code and how
impossible it is for that group to reengineer. Even when you have really
made something very special, than to duplicate it is probably for most
visitors to the dotNet newsgroup in a shorter time to make it better than
the time you used to make it.

The idea is more important than how you made it, and when you can official
worldwide register (patent) that (expensive and should real be unique) than
you have a better protection than obfuscating.

What does not mean that I tell you not to obfuscate, however don't expect a
total defence from it and take the product on the level as you expect that
it not can be used in a way that you don't want.

However just my thought,

Cor
Jul 21 '05 #3
SR
the Lite version of Dotfuscator does not support string encryption.
"Philip Hristov" <ph********@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:11*********************@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
Hello,

I am using Wise OWL Demeanor because it is included in my version of
Delphi for .NET. It do the job very nice - only the public methods and
variables are not encrypted (maybe because it is a limited edition).

If you have VS.NET a lite version of Dotfuscator is included. Why do
not to use it?

Regards,

Philip.

Jul 21 '05 #4
My research and discussions with lawyers resulted in learning that a typical
software patent costs at least $8000 in recording and legal fees just to
record and the costs go up from there. A software patent can cost at minimum
several hundreds of thousands of dollars to defend in the courts which must
be done or the claim of ownership by law is lost automatically.

When a small software developer wants to take a claim to court because they
are being infringed by a large corporate thieves or a group well funded by
corporate thieves the first thing the corporate thieves do is bankrupt the
software developer using 'depositions' ( a formal means the courts require
to record verbal statements and put other documentation into the official
record ).

Here in America which for the most part has become a totalitarian facist
nation, the depositions must by facist law be conducted by commercial
services that are approved and 'certified' by the courts. Because there is
no ability to depose other than pay the facist's the 'official' depostion
service providers charge about $800-$1000 a day each and every day just to
show up for work.

Each deposition costs additional hundreds and in some cases thousands of
dollars apiece. The corporate pigs will call dozens of 'witnesses' to depose
themselves for such silly sh!t such as being officially asked "have you ever
heard of the software product called ______ ?" They will stretch a
deposition for 2-3 days asking silly questions like that.

That question alone can cost the software developer hundreds of dollars in
'service provider' fees and the daily fees bankrupt the software developer.

This has been my experience trying to use the facist American 'justice
system' seeking justice after discovering my architectural drawings were
stolen by a group of corporate pigs who took my drawings and used them to
build the project without involving or compensating me.

In fact, I am going through this same battle of David vs Goliath again at
this very moment because a group of corporate thieves have stolen the use of
my trademark/service mark.

Realistically, I probably have no hope of retaining my trademark/service
mark -- the name of the regional information service I started in 1997 --
METROmilwaukee -- is the trademark/service mark I have used for interstate,
intrastate, and global commerce while working to invest in and develop the
regional information service. Now a group of wealthy corporate thieves want
the name and will almost certainly be allowed to steal the name from me for
use to market their own information services via a TLD Internet domain which
infringes on the use of my trademark/service mark.

There is no way any small software developer can hope to cope in a world of
corruption where justice is determined by how much money can be pissed away
within a corrupt court system.

So I disagree -- strongly -- the corrupt legal system is not accessible to
most of us and is therefor no a considerable strategy to protect one's work
unless you are very wealthy.
--
<%= Clinton Gallagher d/b/a METROmilwaukee
METROmilwaukee "Regional Information Services"
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/

"Cor Ligthert" <no************@planet.nl> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
SR.

Always the same answer, what is a good Obfuscator. One that makes it
impossible to reengineer your program. That one does not exist.

Look to who and why you want on a certain level to protect your code and
how impossible it is for that group to reengineer. Even when you have
really made something very special, than to duplicate it is probably for
most visitors to the dotNet newsgroup in a shorter time to make it better
than the time you used to make it.

The idea is more important than how you made it, and when you can official
worldwide register (patent) that (expensive and should real be unique)
than you have a better protection than obfuscating.

What does not mean that I tell you not to obfuscate, however don't expect
a total defence from it and take the product on the level as you expect
that it not can be used in a way that you don't want.

However just my thought,

Cor

Jul 21 '05 #5
Clinton,

Although I know you as a person who like the debate, remember for yourself
that this are international newsgroups.

Your messages are read by all kind of persons from all over the world. As an
advice, keep your politics of your country outside these newsgroups and keep
them in your own country. As it can be in your opinion better, than that can
only be done inside your country, foreigners can only harm that process.

I supose that you are a patriot who want it better. I am sure that you are
not damning your neighbours, family or most of the citizens of your country.
However, your message can be translated in a wrong way.

Therefore again keep it out of these newsgroups,

Just my tought,

Cor
Jul 21 '05 #6

SR wrote:
Looking for a Obfuscator that provides advanced Obfuscation like string encryption. Purchasing one is fine. It would be nice to hear from
developers what products do the job. The price range goes from around $400-$1400, where products like Spices.NET (9Rays) and Xenocode are at the bottom of the scale, and Demeanor (Wise Owl) in the middle and Dotfuscator at the top end.

Which ones are developers using? I'm leaning towards one of the 2 products on the lower end due to price...


SR,

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an obfuscator with advanced features like string encryption and an
extremely accurate commercially supported .NET decompiler for the price
of obfuscator products alone. Our obfuscator also includes unique
advanced features like automatically factoring the body of public
members into obfuscated ones while still exposing their public
interfaces. It also requires less setup than alternate products
available due to it's unique design. We use the product to obfuscate
itself to produce the version we ship to customers. You can download a
free trial version from our website and see how well it meets your
needs at http://www.junglecreatures.com/

Jonathan Pierce
President
Jungle Creatures, Inc.
http://www.junglecreatures.com/

Jul 21 '05 #7

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