Does "Visual Source Safe Express" exist ?

[olrt]

Hello,
I plan to install Visual C# 2005 Express.
I need a source code control system. It seems that there's no express
version of Visual Source Safe.
What should I do ?
Is Visual C# 2005 Express "compatible " with open source CVS system ??

Thanks !!

Olivier.

[David Hogue]

olrt wrote:

Hello,
I plan to install Visual C# 2005 Express.
I need a source code control system. It seems that there's no express
version of Visual Source Safe.
What should I do ?
Is Visual C# 2005 Express "compatible " with open source CVS system ??

Thanks !!

Olivier.

I haven't heard of a free version of Source Safe, but CVS should work
fine. There was an issue with Visual Studio 2003 and web projects, but
that's fixed with 2005. You won't have any integration in Visual Studio
with CVS, but you can still use another source control system just fine.

We use Subversion and TortoiseSVN with Visual Studio 2005 and it works
great.

-David

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[Cor Ligthert [MVP]]

Olrt,

Would be crazy. The express versions are basicly to learn students how to do
programming for Net. Source Safe is mainly for developments groups to save
in a way that it can be shared the sources.

Cor

[olrt]

I don't share your point of view.
Why would students don't share sources ?
What if I have to share my sources on a public CVS server ?
As a partial answer David Hogue uses Open Source source code control
systems
with Visual Studio 2005 instead of Visual Source Safe.

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

Cor Ligthert [MVP] <no************ @planet.nl> wrote:

Would be crazy. The express versions are basicly to learn students how to do
programming for Net. Source Safe is mainly for developments groups to save
in a way that it can be shared the sources.

And students never collaborate, I suppose?

Personally, I'm glad there's no VSS Express as it means people might
get to use *proper* source control systems instead. Personally I'd
suggest using Subversion: http://subversion.tigris.org

I don't know how easily it integrates with the Express editions of VS,
but you can always use something like Tortoise-SVN from outside the IDE
instead.

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[Cor Ligthert [MVP]]

Jon,

And students never collaborate, I suppose?

I assume that it is in that case arranged by the university and that the
project include than something as Source Save. SQLExpress is meant for every
student, even if he/she is in the age of your son.

Cor

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

Cor Ligthert [MVP] <no************ @planet.nl> wrote:

And students never collaborate, I suppose?

I assume that it is in that case arranged by the university and that the
project include than something as Source Save. SQLExpress is meant for every
student, even if he/she is in the age of your son.

Students collaborate with more than just other students at their own
university (many students contribute to open source projects) - and you
could equally have said that "in that case the company employing
software developers would include something".

Collaboration is a large part of development at all levels. It wouldn't
be "crazy" for MS to have come up with a Source Safe Express edition -
except in the respect that it's such a poor product, they'd be crazy to
want it to get more attention than it already unfortunately does.

Source control is useful for more than collaboration though. For
instance, it can be *very* handy to look back to see why you did
specific things, or to experiment with some code and know that you can
always get back to a working version. I would have thought that would
be especially useful for students learning .NET.

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[Cor Ligthert [MVP]]

Jon,

We don't share the same idea in this, will probably not be the last time. It
is for sure not the first time.

However, in my opinion it is good as we not have all the same opinion.

:-)

Cor
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Cor Ligthert [MVP] <no************ @planet.nl> wrote:

> And students never collaborate, I suppose?

I assume that it is in that case arranged by the university and that the
project include than something as Source Save. SQLExpress is meant for
every
student, even if he/she is in the age of your son.

Students collaborate with more than just other students at their own
university (many students contribute to open source projects) - and you
could equally have said that "in that case the company employing
software developers would include something".

Collaboration is a large part of development at all levels. It wouldn't
be "crazy" for MS to have come up with a Source Safe Express edition -
except in the respect that it's such a poor product, they'd be crazy to
want it to get more attention than it already unfortunately does.

Source control is useful for more than collaboration though. For
instance, it can be *very* handy to look back to see why you did
specific things, or to experiment with some code and know that you can
always get back to a working version. I would have thought that would
be especially useful for students learning .NET.

--
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[vbExpert4You]

As a developer for a small company I would say a source control system
is a great idea. I'm the only developer and although I haven't had the
time to get a source control system installed and running, I am going
to do it sometime. Not only is it a great way to remind myself of
things but it's a way to back out of changes.

Dave