The infamous R6025 runtime error

[Antti Keskinen]

Hello ppl !

Since this newsgroup is a place where Microsoft MVPs or related visit
somewhat often, could someone give me an advice with possible causes of this
error. Note that it does not happen with the programs I write, but with
Visual Studio .NET 2003 itself. It seems to appear only when I have the
Visual Assist add-in installed. Removing the add-in fixes this error, but
using VA is pretty much a necessity due to the bad functionality of
IntelliSense.

However, extensive analysis with the VA team has revealed that this bug is
related to somewhere else than the actual VA product. The easiest way to
reproduce it is to open a lone file in Visual Studio, that is, a file which
doesn't have a solution attached to it. VS creates a temporary solution for
it, and closing this solution causes the crash. The crash informs me that
the place where this error occurs is 'devenv.exe', which is the VS
executable as far as I know.

So, does anyone have any clue where this problem originates from ? Looking
in Internet, it seems to appear randomly on different Microsoft products
(such as Office or SharePoint), but never there is a true explanation of the
causes of this. Any and all suggestions related are appreciated.

-Antti Keskinen

[Peter van der Goes]

"Antti Keskinen" <an************ @REMOVEME.ee.tp u.fi> wrote in message
news:OC******** ******@tk2msftn gp13.phx.gbl...

Hello ppl !

Since this newsgroup is a place where Microsoft MVPs or related visit
somewhat often, could someone give me an advice with possible causes of
this error. Note that it does not happen with the programs I write, but
with Visual Studio .NET 2003 itself. It seems to appear only when I have
the Visual Assist add-in installed. Removing the add-in fixes this error,
but using VA is pretty much a necessity due to the bad functionality of
IntelliSense.

However, extensive analysis with the VA team has revealed that this bug is
related to somewhere else than the actual VA product. The easiest way to
reproduce it is to open a lone file in Visual Studio, that is, a file
which doesn't have a solution attached to it. VS creates a temporary
solution for it, and closing this solution causes the crash. The crash
informs me that the place where this error occurs is 'devenv.exe', which
is the VS executable as far as I know.

So, does anyone have any clue where this problem originates from ? Looking
in Internet, it seems to appear randomly on different Microsoft products
(such as Office or SharePoint), but never there is a true explanation of
the causes of this. Any and all suggestions related are appreciated.

-Antti Keskinen

Please excuse my incredulity, but if you have a problem that occurs only
when a certain software product is installed and the problem does not occur
when that product is not installed, how do you conclude that the problem is
somehow associated with a different product? I may be off base here, but I
believe a module hooked to devenv could throw an error that devenv was not
programmed to handle. thus causing the error report you mentioned.
I'm also intrigued by your assertion that you can open a source code file in
Visual Studio .NET 2003 and have Visual Studio create a temporary solution
around it. I would really like to take advantage of such a feature in the
classroom when showing demo code. How can one access the temporary solution,
compile the code and run the executable? Currently, I am creating an empty
Win32 console solution, then adding the source code to the solution to show
demos.

[Antti Keskinen]

Hello !

Please excuse my incredulity, but if you have a problem that occurs only
when a certain software product is installed and the problem does not
occur when that product is not installed, how do you conclude that the
problem is somehow associated with a different product? I may be off base
here, but I believe a module hooked to devenv could throw an error that
devenv was not programmed to handle. thus causing the error report you
mentioned.
Due to the Visual Assist Team. After doing two weeks of intense debugging,
sending error reports, logs and screenshots plus ways to reproduce the
problem, the team could not find the reason why Visual Studio crashed. When
the crash occurs, VA does not return any error codes or cause an errorneous
situation. It shuts itself down properly and correctly. The crash itself
occurs after VA has already closed.

However, your amazement on the situation is understandable. VA team came to
the conclusion that this behaviour is caused by a DLL which both VA and VS
utilize and for some reason this DLL can't handle it's task. Or, this is
what they told me. It can, of course, be that this isn't true. I couldn't
know if this was the case.
I'm also intrigued by your assertion that you can open a source code file
in Visual Studio .NET 2003 and have Visual Studio create a temporary
solution around it. I would really like to take advantage of such a
feature in the classroom when showing demo code. How can one access the
temporary solution, compile the code and run the executable? Currently, I
am creating an empty Win32 console solution, then adding the source code
to the solution to show demos.
Ahh, you've misunderstood me. You can try this situation yourself, just open
up Visual Studio, and then use the Open command to open a lone code or
header file. Now, if the solution explorer is not visible, use the View menu
to display it. You can see that VS created a solution called 'Solution0' and
placed the code file in folder 'Miscellaneous files'. It does not create a
project, however, thus it is not possible to compile and debug/execute it.
My belief is that because VA stores project-specific information about
variables and symbols, then a situation where you have a solution but no
projects causes it to misfunction. The problematic situation is that if I
create a blank solution manually, and add then use 'Open' to open the lone
file, it still creates a 'Miscellaneous files' folder, but does not crash..

UPDATE:

After a set of long hours working with the problem, I've isolated it. I
didn't notice that I had Rational Rose Add-In Manager running in Visual
Studio IDE. Disabling this add-in from starting eliminated the problem. So
it seems to be an incompatiblity with VA and Rose.

-Antti Keskinen
"Antti Keskinen" <an************ @REMOVEME.ee.tp u.fi> wrote in message
news:OC******** ******@tk2msftn gp13.phx.gbl...

Hello ppl !

Since this newsgroup is a place where Microsoft MVPs or related visit
somewhat often, could someone give me an advice with possible causes of
this error. Note that it does not happen with the programs I write, but
with Visual Studio .NET 2003 itself. It seems to appear only when I have
the Visual Assist add-in installed. Removing the add-in fixes this error,
but using VA is pretty much a necessity due to the bad functionality of
IntelliSense.

However, extensive analysis with the VA team has revealed that this bug
is related to somewhere else than the actual VA product. The easiest way
to reproduce it is to open a lone file in Visual Studio, that is, a file
which doesn't have a solution attached to it. VS creates a temporary
solution for it, and closing this solution causes the crash. The crash
informs me that the place where this error occurs is 'devenv.exe', which
is the VS executable as far as I know.

So, does anyone have any clue where this problem originates from ?
Looking in Internet, it seems to appear randomly on different Microsoft
products (such as Office or SharePoint), but never there is a true
explanation of the causes of this. Any and all suggestions related are
appreciated.

-Antti Keskinen

[Peter van der Goes]

"Antti Keskinen" <an************ @REMOVEME.ee.tp u.fi> wrote in message
news:%2******** **********@tk2m sftngp13.phx.gb l...

Hello !

Please excuse my incredulity, but if you have a problem that occurs only
when a certain software product is installed and the problem does not
occur when that product is not installed, how do you conclude that the
problem is somehow associated with a different product? I may be off base
here, but I believe a module hooked to devenv could throw an error that
devenv was not programmed to handle. thus causing the error report you
mentioned.

Due to the Visual Assist Team. After doing two weeks of intense debugging,
sending error reports, logs and screenshots plus ways to reproduce the
problem, the team could not find the reason why Visual Studio crashed.
When the crash occurs, VA does not return any error codes or cause an
errorneous situation. It shuts itself down properly and correctly. The
crash itself occurs after VA has already closed.

However, your amazement on the situation is understandable. VA team came
to the conclusion that this behaviour is caused by a DLL which both VA and
VS utilize and for some reason this DLL can't handle it's task. Or, this
is what they told me. It can, of course, be that this isn't true. I
couldn't know if this was the case.

I'm also intrigued by your assertion that you can open a source code file
in Visual Studio .NET 2003 and have Visual Studio create a temporary
solution around it. I would really like to take advantage of such a
feature in the classroom when showing demo code. How can one access the
temporary solution, compile the code and run the executable? Currently, I
am creating an empty Win32 console solution, then adding the source code
to the solution to show demos.

Ahh, you've misunderstood me. You can try this situation yourself, just
open up Visual Studio, and then use the Open command to open a lone code
or header file. Now, if the solution explorer is not visible, use the View
menu to display it. You can see that VS created a solution called
'Solution0' and placed the code file in folder 'Miscellaneous files'. It
does not create a project, however, thus it is not possible to compile and
debug/execute it. My belief is that because VA stores project-specific
information about variables and symbols, then a situation where you have a
solution but no projects causes it to misfunction. The problematic
situation is that if I create a blank solution manually, and add then use
'Open' to open the lone file, it still creates a 'Miscellaneous files'
folder, but does not crash..

UPDATE:

After a set of long hours working with the problem, I've isolated it. I
didn't notice that I had Rational Rose Add-In Manager running in Visual
Studio IDE. Disabling this add-in from starting eliminated the problem. So
it seems to be an incompatiblity with VA and Rose.

-Antti Keskinen

"Antti Keskinen" <an************ @REMOVEME.ee.tp u.fi> wrote in message
news:OC******** ******@tk2msftn gp13.phx.gbl...

Hello ppl !

Since this newsgroup is a place where Microsoft MVPs or related visit
somewhat often, could someone give me an advice with possible causes of
this error. Note that it does not happen with the programs I write, but
with Visual Studio .NET 2003 itself. It seems to appear only when I have
the Visual Assist add-in installed. Removing the add-in fixes this
error, but using VA is pretty much a necessity due to the bad
functionality of IntelliSense.

However, extensive analysis with the VA team has revealed that this bug
is related to somewhere else than the actual VA product. The easiest way
to reproduce it is to open a lone file in Visual Studio, that is, a file
which doesn't have a solution attached to it. VS creates a temporary
solution for it, and closing this solution causes the crash. The crash
informs me that the place where this error occurs is 'devenv.exe', which
is the VS executable as far as I know.

So, does anyone have any clue where this problem originates from ?
Looking in Internet, it seems to appear randomly on different Microsoft
products (such as Office or SharePoint), but never there is a true
explanation of the causes of this. Any and all suggestions related are
appreciated.

-Antti Keskinen

Thanks very much, Antti, for the update and further clarification on the
temporary solution. I tried your steps and now see exactly what you mean.
Glad you got the crash thing sorted.