DirectoryEntry authentication server different than bind?

[ABSMunkee]

I have a vb.net dll that has two functions: one allows a user to change
their password in AD, the second allows the user to view their
distinguishedna me (based on their samaccountname) . Both bind via an
SSL connection and appear to work well.

I am implementing the dll through an asp interface on the DC that holds
the fsmo role of PDC in a domain with several DCs with a replication
delay of up to an hour between the DCs.

The issue I am seeing is that after a user successfully changes their
password they are able to successfully query AD for their distinguished
name with their OLD password for awhile (I am assuming until
replication notifies whichever server they are authenticating against
that their password has changed - at which point the dll throws an
"unknown username or bad password" error). The problem is that I am
pointing to the PDC emulator (the server that the asp/dll runs on) to
make the change - so would ASSUME that this same box authenticates the
username and password... ??

Any thoughts would be welcome.

Code snippet below:
Private iRtnCodeVal As Int32 = 1
Private sDirRoot As String = "dc=mydomain,dc =com"
Private sServer As String = "PDCEmulato rDC/"
Private sDomain As String = "MyDomain"

Public Function ChangePW(ByVal uName As String, ByVal oldPass As
String, ByVal newPass As String) As Boolean

Dim uDN As String = GetDN(uName, sDomain & "\" & uName,
oldPass)
If iRtnCodeVal <> 0 Then
ChangePW = False
Exit Function
End If

Dim uDE As New DirectoryEntry( "LDAP://" & sServer & uDN)
uDE.Authenticat ionType = AuthenticationT ypes.SecureSock etsLayer
uDE.Username = sDomain & "\" & uName
uDE.Password = oldPass

Dim iPWChgRtn As Integer
Try
iPWChgRtn = uDE.Invoke("Cha ngePassword", New Object()
{oldPass, newPass})
Catch ex As Exception
iRtnCodeVal = Err.Number()
ChangePW = False
uDE.Close()
Exit Function
End Try
If iPWChgRtn = 0 Then
iRtnCodeVal = 0
ChangePW = True
Else
ChangePW = False
End If
uDE.Close()
End Function
'------------------
Public Function GetDN(ByVal nameToFind As String, ByVal authU As
String, ByVal authPW As String, Optional ByVal useSSL As Boolean =
True) As String

If InStr(authU, "\") = 0 Then 'Will come in WITH <domain>\
from ChangePW
authU = sDomain & "\" & authU
End If

Dim theEntry As New DirectoryEntry( "LDAP://" & sServer &
sDirRoot)
If useSSL Then theEntry.Authen ticationType =
AuthenticationT ypes.SecureSock etsLayer
theEntry.Userna me = authU
theEntry.Passwo rd = authPW

Dim theSearcher As New DirectorySearch er(theEntry)
theSearcher.Sea rchScope = SearchScope.Sub tree
theSearcher.Fil ter = "(&(samaccountn ame=" & nameToFind & "))"
theSearcher.Pro pertiesToLoad.A dd("distinguish edname")

Try
Dim Rslt As SearchResult = theSearcher.Fin dOne

If Rslt Is Nothing = False Then
Dim prop As Object
Dim outTxt As String
For Each prop In Rslt.Properties ("distinguished name")
outTxt = prop.ToString
Next
GetDN = outTxt
iRtnCodeVal = 0
Else
iRtnCodeVal = 2
End If
Catch ex As Exception
GetDN = ""
iRtnCodeVal = Err.Number()
End Try
theEntry.Close( )
End Function

[Al Mulnick]

On that IIS machine, did you do anything with the cache?
It sounds like a user token caching issue from what you described. It's
also possible there have been some GPO changes that would affect this.

Some questions to help narrow this:
Can you test and see exactly how long that window is?
Can you provide more about the architecture? I.e. is the DC running IIS? Is
IIS running on another server and the dll is loaded on the DC?
What is the replication topology?
What client is the user using that allows them to use the old password after
changing it here?

Al

"ABSMunkee" <ut********@hot mail.com> wrote in message
news:11******** **************@ o13g2000cwo.goo glegroups.com.. .

I have a vb.net dll that has two functions: one allows a user to change
their password in AD, the second allows the user to view their
distinguishedna me (based on their samaccountname) . Both bind via an
SSL connection and appear to work well.

I am implementing the dll through an asp interface on the DC that holds
the fsmo role of PDC in a domain with several DCs with a replication
delay of up to an hour between the DCs.

The issue I am seeing is that after a user successfully changes their
password they are able to successfully query AD for their distinguished
name with their OLD password for awhile (I am assuming until
replication notifies whichever server they are authenticating against
that their password has changed - at which point the dll throws an
"unknown username or bad password" error). The problem is that I am
pointing to the PDC emulator (the server that the asp/dll runs on) to
make the change - so would ASSUME that this same box authenticates the
username and password... ??

Any thoughts would be welcome.

Code snippet below:
Private iRtnCodeVal As Int32 = 1
Private sDirRoot As String = "dc=mydomain,dc =com"
Private sServer As String = "PDCEmulato rDC/"
Private sDomain As String = "MyDomain"

Public Function ChangePW(ByVal uName As String, ByVal oldPass As
String, ByVal newPass As String) As Boolean

Dim uDN As String = GetDN(uName, sDomain & "\" & uName,
oldPass)
If iRtnCodeVal <> 0 Then
ChangePW = False
Exit Function
End If

Dim uDE As New DirectoryEntry( "LDAP://" & sServer & uDN)
uDE.Authenticat ionType = AuthenticationT ypes.SecureSock etsLayer
uDE.Username = sDomain & "\" & uName
uDE.Password = oldPass

Dim iPWChgRtn As Integer
Try
iPWChgRtn = uDE.Invoke("Cha ngePassword", New Object()
{oldPass, newPass})
Catch ex As Exception
iRtnCodeVal = Err.Number()
ChangePW = False
uDE.Close()
Exit Function
End Try
If iPWChgRtn = 0 Then
iRtnCodeVal = 0
ChangePW = True
Else
ChangePW = False
End If
uDE.Close()
End Function
'------------------
Public Function GetDN(ByVal nameToFind As String, ByVal authU As
String, ByVal authPW As String, Optional ByVal useSSL As Boolean =
True) As String

If InStr(authU, "\") = 0 Then 'Will come in WITH <domain>\
from ChangePW
authU = sDomain & "\" & authU
End If

Dim theEntry As New DirectoryEntry( "LDAP://" & sServer &
sDirRoot)
If useSSL Then theEntry.Authen ticationType =
AuthenticationT ypes.SecureSock etsLayer
theEntry.Userna me = authU
theEntry.Passwo rd = authPW

Dim theSearcher As New DirectorySearch er(theEntry)
theSearcher.Sea rchScope = SearchScope.Sub tree
theSearcher.Fil ter = "(&(samaccountn ame=" & nameToFind & "))"
theSearcher.Pro pertiesToLoad.A dd("distinguish edname")

Try
Dim Rslt As SearchResult = theSearcher.Fin dOne

If Rslt Is Nothing = False Then
Dim prop As Object
Dim outTxt As String
For Each prop In Rslt.Properties ("distinguished name")
outTxt = prop.ToString
Next
GetDN = outTxt
iRtnCodeVal = 0
Else
iRtnCodeVal = 2
End If
Catch ex As Exception
GetDN = ""
iRtnCodeVal = Err.Number()
End Try
theEntry.Close( )
End Function

[ABSMunkee]

Thanks for the response.
The IIS server is on the DC itself - in my test environment - it is the
PDC. And it calls the DLL local to IIS.

The only thing that allows me to use the old password is the query
function (GetDN) through the same web interface/dll - and only until
replication takes place (set to 15 minutes between DCs).

[Al Mulnick]

What have you done to date regarding the caching?
IIRC, IIS will cache the user's credentials. I assume you're saying that
the user can see the directory objects with the old credentials via the same
web interface? If not, correct me as it may be something else.

Al

"ABSMunkee" <ut********@hot mail.com> wrote in message
news:11******** *************@g 14g2000cwa.goog legroups.com...

Thanks for the response.
The IIS server is on the DC itself - in my test environment - it is the
PDC. And it calls the DLL local to IIS.

The only thing that allows me to use the old password is the query
function (GetDN) through the same web interface/dll - and only until
replication takes place (set to 15 minutes between DCs).

[ABSMunkee]

I haven't really looked at caching - as the only way to query the
directory through the web interface is via this DLL - which accepts the
username/password from the form and theoretically makes a new bind via
SSL LDAP each time.
I am not relying on IIS for authentication at all. Should I be worried
about the cache in this case?

[Al Mulnick]

Theoretically?
I don't honestly have enough information to know for sure if the cache would
be involved in this. Your code and architecture are your own. But it seems
logical that you're running into a caching of credential information based
on the symptoms and IIS is known to do that. It seems a decent theory but
one I can't prove/disprove in this medium. It's best for you to have a look
at your code step by step during the error condition and see if you can spot
the issue. It might also help to drop a note to the ADSI newsgroups and
possible the .net newsgroups to see if anyone has had this issue already and
solved it (hopefully).

Al

"ABSMunkee" <ut********@hot mail.com> wrote in message
news:11******** **************@ g43g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com.. .

I haven't really looked at caching - as the only way to query the
directory through the web interface is via this DLL - which accepts the
username/password from the form and theoretically makes a new bind via
SSL LDAP each time.
I am not relying on IIS for authentication at all. Should I be worried
about the cache in this case?