Why Windows Lost The Battle for the Desktop

[John Bailo]

The war of the OSes was won a long time ago.

Unix has always been, and will continue to be, the Server OS in the form
of Linux.

Microsoft struggled mightily to win that battle -- creating a poor man's
DBMS, a broken email server and various other /application/ servers to
try and crack the Internet and IS markets.

In the case where they didn't spend their own money to get companies to
install servers, they failed miserably, and the 1 Billion per quarter
Linux market is testament to that.

But, what M$ didn't want you to know, is that the only reason they
wanted to dominate the server, is to protect their desktop and office
applications market.

Seal up the server, and the desktop is safe; cede the server, and the
desktop will fall.

And so it is...falling into the hands of Linux.

[C-Services Holland b.v.]

Kadaitcha Man wrote:

C-Services Holland b.v. wrote:

John Bailo wrote:

The war of the OSes was won a long time ago.

<SNIP>

Why is it that people falling over themselves to badmouth microsoft
always use Windows themselves :P

What a load of fucking bollocks. Linuxfux fall over themselves to badmouth
micro$haft too, you fucking dense cunt.

LOL, take a valium dude. My point was, if you think it's all so bad, why
use it at all? I use both. Linux on my server and Windows for my
workstations.

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C-Services Holland b.v.

[Jim Douglas]

What planet are you from?
"John Bailo" <ja*****@earthl ink.net> wrote in message
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The war of the OSes was won a long time ago.

Unix has always been, and will continue to be, the Server OS in the form
of Linux.

Microsoft struggled mightily to win that battle -- creating a poor man's
DBMS, a broken email server and various other /application/ servers to
try and crack the Internet and IS markets.

In the case where they didn't spend their own money to get companies to
install servers, they failed miserably, and the 1 Billion per quarter
Linux market is testament to that.

But, what M$ didn't want you to know, is that the only reason they
wanted to dominate the server, is to protect their desktop and office
applications market.

Seal up the server, and the desktop is safe; cede the server, and the
desktop will fall.

And so it is...falling into the hands of Linux.

[The Ghost In The Machine]

In comp.os.linux.a dvocacy, John Bailo
<ja*****@earthl ink.net>
wrote
on Mon, 29 Nov 2004 02:03:04 GMT
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The war of the OSes was won a long time ago.
Proclaim victory not until victory is achieved. Windows still
owns over 80% of the desktops. Businesses will have to jump
into the fray (and presumably they'd like to, as Linux proves
that it has the capability of saving them money).

Unix has always been, and will continue to be, the Server OS in the form
of Linux.
Unix and Linux have little to do with each other beyond general
design issues (e.g., fork()). Or did SCO win an actual legal
lawsuit when no one was looking? :-)

Microsoft struggled mightily to win that battle -- creating a poor man's
DBMS, a broken email server and various other /application/ servers to
try and crack the Internet and IS markets.
I will agree that Windows lost the war in the server arena;
the classical Unix systems have more to fear from Linux
than Windows NT derivatives. However, this doesn't give
Linux an automatic "gimme" on the desktops; Linux will have
to earn it, and that earning may be hard-fought, as Windows
has an edge on convenience. (A slim edge, and getting slimmer
all the time. With the viruses, the landscape may be mutating
as well; there's no point in being convenient if it means having
to coexist with Netsky as well.)

In the case where they didn't spend their own money to get companies to
install servers, they failed miserably, and the 1 Billion per quarter
Linux market is testament to that.

But, what M$ didn't want you to know, is that the only reason they
wanted to dominate the server, is to protect their desktop and office
applications market.

Seal up the server, and the desktop is safe; cede the server, and the
desktop will fall.

And so it is...falling into the hands of Linux.

But it has not yet fallen, and efforts such as Samba may very well
stymie the effort -- or at least confuse it. If Samba on the
Linux server allows businesses to continue using their Windows
desktops out of comfort, they may very well do so. Firewalls,
screeners, and cleaners may also butress a sagging market.

It's an interesting mess. :-)

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[Peter Bilt]

John Bailo <ja*****@earthl ink.net> wrote in message news:<sr******* **********@news read3.news.pas. earthlink.net>. ..

The war of the OSes was won a long time ago.

Unix has always been, and will continue to be, the Server OS in the form
of Linux.

Microsoft struggled mightily to win that battle -- creating a poor man's
DBMS, a broken email server and various other /application/ servers to
try and crack the Internet and IS markets.

In the case where they didn't spend their own money to get companies to
install servers, they failed miserably, and the 1 Billion per quarter
Linux market is testament to that.

But, what M$ didn't want you to know, is that the only reason they
wanted to dominate the server, is to protect their desktop and office
applications market.

Seal up the server, and the desktop is safe; cede the server, and the
desktop will fall.

And so it is...falling into the hands of Linux.

You must be smoking some potent stuff, or maybe you live on antohre
planet. On planet earth, Windows rules! Leenouchs Who?

[Peter Köhlmann]

begin Peter Bilt (Kerke) wrote:

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You must be smoking some potent stuff, or maybe you live on antohre
planet. On planet earth, Windows rules! Leenouchs Who?

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[JamesB]

"John Bailo" <ja*****@earthl ink.net> wrote in message
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And so it is...falling into the hands of Linux.

I really hope so. For commercial use it's maybe flakey due to the lack of
network admins who really are familiar with it to the extent they could
implement it flawlessly & seamlessly into their network; however for areas
such as colleges and universities, it should certainly be in the testing
stage at the moment. It isn't where I come from though, which is quite
disappointing. It's the whole 'shall we try and save money or go for the
gauranteed working solution that we're all used to?'

It's not gauranteed, but because of the options it appears that way.

[JamesB]

"Kadaitcha Man" <no****@rainx.c jb.net> wrote in message
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Until you showed up.

BTW. Who wrote those two sentences for you? The regular
shit/bowel/nappy/diaper/anus references are missing.

Yeah, he is an angry young man, isn't he. Not getting his hole i thinky

[JamesB]

"The Ghost In The Machine" <ew***@sirius.a thghost7038suus .net> wrote in
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Proclaim victory not until victory is achieved. Windows still
owns over 80% of the desktops. Businesses will have to jump
into the fray (and presumably they'd like to, as Linux proves
that it has the capability of saving them money).

That's because it's shipped with most desktops, except those which are
custom built, or do not come with an o/s to save the user money. Duhr

[Peter Köhlmann]

begin JamesB wrote:

It isn't where I come from though, which is quite
disappointing. It's the whole 'shall we try and save money or go for the
gauranteed working solution that we're all used to?'

It's not gauranteed, but because of the options it appears that way.

What "gauranteed working solution that we're all used to"?

You certainly don't blather about something where windows has even a small
part in it, are you?
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[The Ghost In The Machine]

In comp.os.linux.a dvocacy, JamesB
<bj****@james.n et>
wrote
on Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:48:22 GMT
<az************ **@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>:

"The Ghost In The Machine" <ew***@sirius.a thghost7038suus .net> wrote in
message news:tt******** ****@sirius.ath ghost7038suus.n et...

Proclaim victory not until victory is achieved. Windows still
owns over 80% of the desktops. Businesses will have to jump
into the fray (and presumably they'd like to, as Linux proves
that it has the capability of saving them money).

That's because it's shipped with most desktops, except those which are
custom built, or do not come with an o/s to save the user money. Duhr

It's a problem, and a bit of a vicious cycle. Because Windows is
shipped with most PC's, people get it by default. Because people
get it by default, they assume it's the one to use. Because people
assume it's the one to use, they ask for Windows on their next PC.
And then there are the software developers and device manufacturers
who also have to play on this merry-go-round, and guess right if
they're to make money.

Or something like that. But that notion is showing some wear,
though it's not quite showing holes yet. (The main problem: systems
offering Linux tend to be the higher-end units, suitable for
workstation use, or outright servers. Low-end crud, with the
notable exception of Wal-Mart, tends to have WinXP and some
bundled stuff slapped on by default.)

It's nice to see Doom3 and UT2004 for Linux/x86, though. Heck,
I should have bought QuakeIII for Linux, when I saw it. :-)

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