Why Windows Lost The Battle for the Desktop

[John Bailo]

The war of the OSes was won a long time ago.

Unix has always been, and will continue to be, the Server OS in the form
of Linux.

Microsoft struggled mightily to win that battle -- creating a poor man's
DBMS, a broken email server and various other /application/ servers to
try and crack the Internet and IS markets.

In the case where they didn't spend their own money to get companies to
install servers, they failed miserably, and the 1 Billion per quarter
Linux market is testament to that.

But, what M$ didn't want you to know, is that the only reason they
wanted to dominate the server, is to protect their desktop and office
applications market.

Seal up the server, and the desktop is safe; cede the server, and the
desktop will fall.

And so it is...falling into the hands of Linux.

[John Bailo]

Jeff_Relf wrote:

Hi John, Why don't you put you soul here your mouth is ?

Go to Yahoo/Google groups and just leave us a lone.
COLA is a Google Group.

If it weren't nobody would be here.

You don't deserve to be on Usenet, what with your vcard idiocy and all.

Today I checked out the Google API.

It's cool.

I found some mono source code for it.

A client app serves the public if its can add value to the Google Server
through the Google API running on Linux.

XP doesn't add value to Google.

That's why Google created their Desktop Search Engine.

Customers can't wait for Longhorne, so they switch to Google Linux Client.

[Andrew DeFaria]

Jeff_Relf wrote:

Linux is ten times the price of Micro-Soft.
My Linux was free. MySQL was free. Perl was free. Apache was free. Hell
the system I am running Linux on was given to me. Need I go on?
Effectively I have a free system with free software and it does a lot
for me. Mathematically, the only way Linux (L) could be ten times the
price of MS (IOW: L = 10*MS) and L=$0 then MS must be $0 too! We all
know that MS <> 0 rather MS = M$. Ergo your statement is mathematically
false!
Just in terms of difficulty to use alone.

Why do you have to pay for MS products ? Because the code is
Designed/Tested for the common man, and that costs money.

IMHO, computer professionals are not the same as common men. If you wish
to run your business on an MS OS and utilize common men to run it then
that goes a long way to describing the state of MS only shops!
--
Today I dialed a wrong number....The other side said, "Hello?" and I
said, "Hello, could I speak to Joey?" They said," Uh, I don't think
so...He's only two months old." I said, "I'll wait..."

[Scott M.]

You know that Microsoft is not hyphenated (Micro-soft), right?

"Jeff_Relf" <[e-mail] > wrote in message
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Hi John, To this from me: <<
Sam Walton didn't create a bunch of spoiled brats ( billionaires )
by overpaying his employees... neither did Bill Gates. >>

You commented: << People forget.
The reason these companies are successful
are that they deliver low costs to the consumer.
For every pissed off programmer, there are 1000 happy customers,
making $30,000 a year, who can afford cheap goods.
Now Linux/WalMart are taking on that role.
Linux does what Microsoft does
-- but it doesn't have to pay a Bill Gates.
That's why its better. >>

Linux is ten times the price of Micro-Soft.

Just in terms of difficulty to use alone.

Why do you have to pay for MS products ?
Because the code is Designed/Tested for the common man,
and that costs money.

[Scott M.]

You really don't have any control over the garbage spewing out of your head
do you?

"John Bailo" <ja*****@earthl ink.net> wrote in message
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Jeff_Relf wrote:

Hi John, Why don't you put you soul here your mouth is ?

Go to Yahoo/Google groups and just leave us a lone.

COLA is a Google Group.

If it weren't nobody would be here.

You don't deserve to be on Usenet, what with your vcard idiocy and all.

Today I checked out the Google API.

It's cool.

I found some mono source code for it.

A client app serves the public if its can add value to the Google Server
through the Google API running on Linux.

XP doesn't add value to Google.

That's why Google created their Desktop Search Engine.

Customers can't wait for Longhorne, so they switch to Google Linux Client.

[Scott M.]

OMG.... PAHLEAAASE DON"T EVER HAVE CHILDREN!!!!!
"John Bailo" <ja*****@earthl ink.net> wrote in message
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Jeff_Relf wrote:

Hi John, To this from me: <<
Sam Walton didn't create a bunch of spoiled brats ( billionaires )
by overpaying his employees... neither did Bill Gates. >>

You commented: << People forget.
The reason these companies are successful
are that they deliver low costs to the consumer.
For every pissed off programmer, there are 1000 happy customers,
making $30,000 a year, who can afford cheap goods.
Now Linux/WalMart are taking on that role.
Linux does what Microsoft does
-- but it doesn't have to pay a Bill Gates.
That's why its better. >>

Linux is ten times the price of Micro-Soft.

Just in terms of difficulty to use alone.

Why do you have to pay for MS products ?
Because the code is Designed/Tested for the common man,
and that costs money.

The telephone.

The greatest client app ever created.

The PC has been trying to catch up every since.

Bill Gate$ failed to 'sell' the PC to the consumer.

That took Yahoo! and Amazon and e-Bay and Google.

Now they rule the roost...and they choose Linux

They demand a PC as solid and simple as the telephone.

Not a flake-fest geekwagon built by Winks!

The People want a telephone, that talks to the Web and let's them order
CDs, and talk with their friends.

Mainstream America. Mainstream OS: Linux.

[billwg]

"Jeff_Relf" <[e-mail] > wrote in message
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Hi billwg, You wrote: <<
Linux is cannibalizing traditional unix at a rapid rate,
but some of that business is obviously going to Microsoft as well.
When unix is as dead as Novell, linux is not going to be
as healthy as unix was when the whole thing started.
And linux will be the next to lose. >>

No one currently owns the cellphone/hand-held market,
Same for the server market, both markets are very custom,
and that's where Linux shines the most.

Will those two markets ever become standardized like the desktop ?
And will Micro-Soft own that standard ?
I doubt it, I think those markets will remain splintered.

I don't know why cellphones are being drug through this thread, but servers
are not "very custom" at all and the way the numbers are running now, Mr.
Softee is taking business from unix even when combined with linux. Some
people want to say that linux is not unix, but from a Windows point of view,
it is hard to see any difference. Unix was more disciplined and organized,
to be sure, but when it comes to presenting a feature, function, benefit
comparison, linux is kind of a boring exercise. Windows has all the sizzle
with the .NET push.

Linux eats away at unix and Windows continues to just nibble, but some day,
when linux has replaced unix, there will still only be three players, IBM,
linux, and Windows and Windows will be the market leader with the
opportunity to show how .NET servers fit so well with their .NET clients.

But if you want to take on Bill,
you can't dismiss the importance of WinXP like Bailo does.

Just look at Wireless LANs ( WiFi ), they're everywhere these days
...that's where the revolution is, the guy next door.

[billwg]

"Linønut" <"=?iso-8859-1?Q?lin=F8nut?= "@bone.com> wrote in message
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Be*******@hotma il.com poked his little head through the XP firewall and
said:

Bill Gates has also donated over 42 Billion dollars (with a "B") to
charity, more than the entire United Way's annual budget,
1. That's more like his entire worth. So he donated everything and now
walks around in burlap garb like St. Francis of Assissi?

2. A good portion of what Bill and Melinda donates is Microsoft Funny
Money. That is, Microsoft software overvalued for charitable
purchases.

Mr. Bill has donated some 30B in MSFT stock to his foundations, recently
merged. He still has about 30B in personal wealth in just MSFT shares. He
has an awful lot of other stock and general collections of toys, too.

he owns billions in MS stocks, a company every human being on earth would
$love$ to work for.

No thanks. I would not want to work for Microsoft.

A lot of people do want to work for them, but their style is not for
everyone. It is easy to not get hired by Microsoft.

The desktop is the computer, the desktop is the
net, and Windows owns the desktop.

The desktop is actually a small portion of the net. Microsoft does not
own
the net.

The desktop is the terminus of the net. Data is kept in servers and flows
over the net to desktops, mostly Windows desktops.
And the desktop is starting to shift.

No evidence of that, but you can always hope.

[Jeff_Relf]

Hi Scott, You asked me: <<
You know that Microsoft is not hyphenated ( Micro-Soft ), right ? >>

You do know how to Google, Right ?

Try this: << Micro-Soft site:wikipedia. org >>

[Scott M.]

What exactly is your point? I can get the wikipedia.org data by typing
Microsoft the correct way as well.

Why would someone who see's you write "Micro-Soft" inherantly think to try
to Google that, or better yet, think to go to some obscure web site and do a
search there?

Is there something you want to say, but are assuming we all know when you
say "Micro-Soft"?
"Jeff_Relf" <[e-mail] > wrote in message
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Hi Scott, You asked me: <<
You know that Microsoft is not hyphenated ( Micro-Soft ), right ? >>

You do know how to Google, Right ?

Try this: << Micro-Soft site:wikipedia. org >>

[Scott M.]

> Mr. Bill has donated some 30B in MSFT stock to his foundations, recently

merged. He still has about 30B in personal wealth in just MSFT shares.
He has an awful lot of other stock and general collections of toys, too.

While you are correct that he has donated quite a bit, your numbers are way
off. He has pledged over 50 billion (his net worth is nearly double that).
Last week alone, he took a special $3 per share dividend (amounts to $3
Billion for him!) and donated it to his Bill & Melinda Gates foundation.
Also, he doesn't tend to donate stock, he donates cash.