Why Windows Lost The Battle for the Desktop

[John Bailo]

The war of the OSes was won a long time ago.

Unix has always been, and will continue to be, the Server OS in the form
of Linux.

Microsoft struggled mightily to win that battle -- creating a poor man's
DBMS, a broken email server and various other /application/ servers to
try and crack the Internet and IS markets.

In the case where they didn't spend their own money to get companies to
install servers, they failed miserably, and the 1 Billion per quarter
Linux market is testament to that.

But, what M$ didn't want you to know, is that the only reason they
wanted to dominate the server, is to protect their desktop and office
applications market.

Seal up the server, and the desktop is safe; cede the server, and the
desktop will fall.

And so it is...falling into the hands of Linux.

[chrisv]

"Scott M." <s-***@nospam.nosp am> wrote:

Nope. You suffer from reading comprehension problems.

You really know how to get along well with people, don't you?

You confuse what MS donates with what the
Bill & Melinda Gates foundation donates. He has, in fact, pledged over
50%
of his net worth (over 50B) to charity. That is a FACT.

"Bill Gates has pledged" is not the same as "Bill Gates has donated",
genius.

In this case it is.

No, it is not.

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On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 14:24:58 -0600, chrisv wrote:

"Scott M." <s-***@nospam.nosp am> wrote:

I'm not all that impressed by someone with his wealth giving-away half
of it. It's not like it will affect his standard of living in any
way.

I don't think he does it to impress you.

I never claimed that he did.

By the way, what percentage of
your net worth did you give to charity last year?

Like most people, I need to save my money A) guard against an unknown
financial future (e.g. job loss), B) to allow for a few years
retirement before I drop dead.

IOW, you consider guarding yourself against possible financial insecurity is
more important than helping others with certain financial insecurity.

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[Liam Slider]

On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 14:24:58 -0600, chrisv wrote:

By the way, what percentage of
your net worth did you give to charity last year?

Like most people, I need to save my money A) guard against an unknown
financial future (e.g. job loss), B) to allow for a few years retirement
before I drop dead.

Bill Gates does not have these issues, hence, the lack of impression his
"generosity " makes upon me, especially considering how he obtained his
wealth in the first place.

It's been pretty common throughout at least American history for gangsters
and crimelords to give away large sums of money, buy things for the
communities, and do other "good" things in order to make themselves look
good, or to make the community local community love them. It makes them
harder to touch. Heck, I can tell you stories out of Illinois (the
State I live in) history of gangsters who were known for tossing money out
of their cars as they passed school playgrounds, for the kids, stories of
paying off p[eople's bank notes so their houses wouldn't be foreclosed,
etc... That didn't make the gangsters good people, they still had a day to
day business involving murder, prostitution, illegal gambling, and
smuggling.
Bill Gates is no different. He is a gangster, his day to day business
involves fraud, copyright violation, and extortion on the grandest scale
known to man. His charity work, whatever the motivation, does not make him
any less of a gangster.

[Scott M.]

> Like most people, I need to save my money A) guard against an unknown

financial future (e.g. job loss), B) to allow for a few years
retirement before I drop dead.

Bill Gates does not have these issues, hence, the lack of impression
his "generosity " makes upon me, especially considering how he obtained
his wealth in the first place.

You really needed to have that explained to you? Huh.

I don't need you to explain anything to me thanks. Especially when you
consider a 50 billion dollar donation not impressive.

You are obviously ignorant of what the M$ corp has done to get to
where they are.

And you are even more ignorant if you think that every large company on
the
planet doesn't use the same tactics when they can.

Oh, believe me, I am well aware of the evil businessman, and what his
greed and avarice does to our world.

Then go take your soapbox and plant it in front of every other corporation
and then move to a socialist society that doesn't have capitalism and free
markets.

[Scott M.]

> It's been pretty common throughout at least American history for gangsters

and crimelords to give away large sums of money, buy things for the
communities, and do other "good" things in order to make themselves look
good, or to make the community local community love them. It makes them
harder to touch. Heck, I can tell you stories out of Illinois (the
State I live in) history of gangsters who were known for tossing money out
of their cars as they passed school playgrounds, for the kids, stories of
paying off p[eople's bank notes so their houses wouldn't be foreclosed,
etc... That didn't make the gangsters good people, they still had a day to
day business involving murder, prostitution, illegal gambling, and
smuggling.
Please take your rants somewhere where there are people that care to hear
them.
Bill Gates is no different. He is a gangster, his day to day business
involves fraud, copyright violation, and extortion on the grandest scale
known to man. His charity work, whatever the motivation, does not make him
any less of a gangster.

I'm not trying to extol Bill's virtues as a person or even a businessman. I
am simply correcting the inaccurate statements made in this post about how
much money he has donated. Whatever Bill is guilty of as a businessman, I'm
sure that every other CEO of a global company is guilty of as well. So, if
you want to paint Bill and MS as the devil, just make sure you don't fail to
acknowledge that he isn't alone.

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On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:46:50 -0500, Scott M. wrote:

Oh, believe me, I am well aware of the evil businessman, and what his
greed and avarice does to our world.

Then go take your soapbox and plant it in front of every other corporation
and then move to a socialist society that doesn't have capitalism and free
markets.

Don't be surprised. Half the people here who complain about Microsoft being
evil do so wearing Gap or Old Navy and eat at McDonald's or Burger King.

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[Scott M.]

> Not according to their own website. They haven't donated even a billion

dollars.
I don't know where you get any facts to support that statement, because it
is flat out wrong. In fact, Bill donated a special MS stock didvend paid
just last week. Oh, by the way, the donation from just last week was 3
billion alone.
When he dies, we'll see if family members contest his will to donate
half his net worth.

You clearly don't understand how the donations work/have worked. He's
already donated over 30 billion and 20 more is pledged via regular MS stock
sales. If he were to die today, I seriously doubt his wife would contest
the will seeing that she co-founded the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation.

It seems clear that you are more comfortable slinging insults for no
reason,
rather than educating yourself about the topic you are taking part in.

This is COLA. That's what people do.

I have no idea what that means, but if it is some sort of excuse for being a
jerk, I think you'll need to do better than that.

[Scott M.]

Hey, isn't it easy to just type "No"? What is a bit harder is to address
the FULL text of my post, which you haven't.

If you would just open your eyes and your mind and look
(http://gatesfoundation.org/nr/public...s_AR-2003.html)
you would see that as of 12/31/2003 (2 years ago mind you), the Bill &
Melinda Gates Foundation had 31,489,521,000 in assets. How do you think
this foundation got 31 billion dollars? It was funded by Bill Gates! The
foundation's money is NOT Bill's money, he GAVE it to the foundation.

Bill donated many billions more over the last 2 years and LAST WEEK ALONE,
he donated a 3 BILLION dollar stock divided.

From: http://money.cnn.com/2004/07/20/technology/microsoft/
"Based on the most recent regulatory filings, Gates owned about 1.12 billion
shares, which means he would receive nearly $3.4 billion from the one-time
dividend alone. Gates announced Tuesday that he would donate his proceeds
from the special dividend to the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, the
charitable organization named for the Microsoft chairman and his wife."

So, perhaps you could stop being such a child with your "I know you are but
what am I?" form of ignorant communication and try to educate yourself as to
the facts before you speak and make a fool of yourself as you have done
here.
"chrisv" <ch****@nospam. invalid> wrote in message
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"Scott M." <s-***@nospam.nosp am> wrote:

Nope. You suffer from reading comprehension problems.

You really know how to get along well with people, don't you?

You confuse what MS donates with what the
Bill & Melinda Gates foundation donates. He has, in fact, pledged over
50%
of his net worth (over 50B) to charity. That is a FACT.

"Bill Gates has pledged" is not the same as "Bill Gates has donated",
genius.

In this case it is.

No, it is not.

[Peter Köhlmann]

begin Scott M. wrote:

It's been pretty common throughout at least American history for
gangsters and crimelords to give away large sums of money, buy things for
the communities, and do other "good" things in order to make themselves
look good, or to make the community local community love them. It makes
them harder to touch. Heck, I can tell you stories out of Illinois (the
State I live in) history of gangsters who were known for tossing money
out of their cars as they passed school playgrounds, for the kids,
stories of paying off p[eople's bank notes so their houses wouldn't be
foreclosed, etc... That didn't make the gangsters good people, they still
had a day to day business involving murder, prostitution, illegal
gambling, and smuggling.

Please take your rants somewhere where there are people that care to hear
them.

And where might that be? Where is your "here"? In that group called
"microsoft.publ ic.dotnet.gener al" perhaps?
Tell you what, your "here" is not the world. Not even a small part of it

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[Jeff_Relf]

Hi Dave, Scott, Re: This recent quote from Steve Ballmer in Canada: <<
We are still called Micro-soft, not Macro-hard,
Micro-services or Micro-printers... >>
__ http://www.managementconsultancy.co.uk/features/1138030

Wow, I didn't realize that the word Micro-Soft was used that recently.

MS didn't buy SAP ( ¿ regulators blocked it )
but they will definately morph into a services company as time goes by,
just like IBM did.

The fact that a 16 year old Bill Gates had the resorces/connections/drive
to get a contract with the city of Seattle to count traffic ( Traf-O-Data )
reeks of Bill Gates Sr. ( a prominent Seattle Lawyer ) to me.

Gary Kildall, a mere academic, didn't cut it... it took a lawyer.