Academic vs Pro Licencing

[Comet]

Hi

I have had a look on the net with regards to whether you can sell
applications you created with Visual Studio .NET 2003 Academic. It seems to
be as clear as mud!

Can anyone help? Are you?

Comet

[A.A. Fussy]

It seems that you can distribuate programs for non-commercial purposes only,
although Iam not sure about this either (as I'm getting the academic version
too)
"Comet" <so*****@micros oft.com> wrote in message
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Hi

I have had a look on the net with regards to whether you can sell
applications you created with Visual Studio .NET 2003 Academic. It seems to be as clear as mud!

Can anyone help? Are you?

Comet

[Peter van der Goes]

"Comet" <so*****@micros oft.com> wrote in message
news:bo******** **@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net. ..

Hi

I have had a look on the net with regards to whether you can sell
applications you created with Visual Studio .NET 2003 Academic. It seems to be as clear as mud!

Can anyone help? Are you?

Comet

It can be a bit confusing, and how you acquired your copy of the Academic
Edition is also a factor in the equation, IIRC.
If you purchased the Academic Edition as a retail, boxed product, then you
may distribute applications you've developed. If you acquired the Academic
Edition by other channels, then distribution of applications other than for
academic or research purposes is not permitted (at least that's what I
believe I've read from credible sources).
The recognized authority on this topic is a gentleman named George Conard,
who (IIRC) is the Program Manager for the Academic Edition. Here is a fairly
recent quote from him (10/02/2003) that may help:

Actually, there are no commercial vs non-commercial restrictions in the
license agreement if you purchased Visual Studio .NET Academic at retail, i.e., in your campus bookstore. You are free to use it as you described
below - check the EULA for more details.

--
Cheers,
-g

George Conard
Program Manager
Visual Studio .NET Academic
Microsoft Corporation

--
Peter - [MVP - Academic]

[Michael]

And if you did sell your application, how the heck would anyone know which
version of VS you had or how you acquired it, anyway?

"Peter van der Goes" <p_**********@m ars.cox.net> wrote in message
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"Comet" <so*****@micros oft.com> wrote in message
news:bo******** **@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net. ..

Hi

I have had a look on the net with regards to whether you can sell
applications you created with Visual Studio .NET 2003 Academic. It seems to

be as clear as mud!

Can anyone help? Are you?

Comet

It can be a bit confusing, and how you acquired your copy of the Academic
Edition is also a factor in the equation, IIRC.
If you purchased the Academic Edition as a retail, boxed product, then you
may distribute applications you've developed. If you acquired the Academic
Edition by other channels, then distribution of applications other than

for academic or research purposes is not permitted (at least that's what I
believe I've read from credible sources).
The recognized authority on this topic is a gentleman named George Conard,
who (IIRC) is the Program Manager for the Academic Edition. Here is a fairly recent quote from him (10/02/2003) that may help:

Actually, there are no commercial vs non-commercial restrictions in the license agreement if you purchased Visual Studio .NET Academic at retail, i.e., in your campus bookstore. You are free to use it as you described below - check the EULA for more details.

--
Cheers,
-g

George Conard
Program Manager
Visual Studio .NET Academic
Microsoft Corporation

--
Peter - [MVP - Academic]

[Peter van der Goes]

"Michael" <in******@comca st.net> wrote in message
news:eO******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...

And if you did sell your application, how the heck would anyone know which
version of VS you had or how you acquired it, anyway?

I believe the OP was interested in the terms of the license, with the
intention of wanting to comply. The issue of "what can I get away with?" is
quite different, as we all know.

--
Peter - [MVP - Academic]

[Dino Chiesa [Microsoft]]

In reply to the original request,

MS provides a special pricing of Visual Studio to academic customers without
restricting the commercial use of apps produced with the tool. In other
words, a customer, if they meet the requirements for the academic license,
can license the academic edition of VS, can build apps with it, and can sell
those apps for commercial purposes.

-Dino

--
Dino Chiesa
Microsoft Developer Division
d i n o c h @ o n l i n e . m i c r o s o f t . c o m
"Peter van der Goes" <p_**********@m ars.cox.net> wrote in message
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"Michael" <in******@comca st.net> wrote in message
news:eO******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...

And if you did sell your application, how the heck would anyone know which version of VS you had or how you acquired it, anyway?

I believe the OP was interested in the terms of the license, with the
intention of wanting to comply. The issue of "what can I get away with?"

is quite different, as we all know.

--
Peter - [MVP - Academic]

[Peter van der Goes]

"Dino Chiesa [Microsoft]" <di****@online. microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:us******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP09.phx.gbl...

In reply to the original request,

MS provides a special pricing of Visual Studio to academic customers without restricting the commercial use of apps produced with the tool. In other
words, a customer, if they meet the requirements for the academic license,
can license the academic edition of VS, can build apps with it, and can sell those apps for commercial purposes.

-Dino

--
Dino Chiesa
Microsoft Developer Division
d i n o c h @ o n l i n e . m i c r o s o f t . c o m

Dino,
Thank you very much for stepping in with a first-hand authoritative answer!
The quote from George Conard should have been enough, but your statement is
the definitive closer.

--
Peter - [MVP - Academic]

[Kory Postma]

Well here is another question then. I'm a student and say I bought a
copy of it and then in another year I graduate and am no longer a
student. Can I still use the software? According to some EULAs I
think the answer would be no. Any information about this?
Kory (actually a MSDN pro subscriber)

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:59:34 -0600, "Peter van der Goes"
<p_**********@m ars.cox.net> wrote:

"Dino Chiesa [Microsoft]" <di****@online. microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:us******* *******@TK2MSFT NGP09.phx.gbl.. .

In reply to the original request,

MS provides a special pricing of Visual Studio to academic customers

without

restricting the commercial use of apps produced with the tool. In other
words, a customer, if they meet the requirements for the academic license,
can license the academic edition of VS, can build apps with it, and can

sell

those apps for commercial purposes.

-Dino

--
Dino Chiesa
Microsoft Developer Division
d i n o c h @ o n l i n e . m i c r o s o f t . c o m

Dino,
Thank you very much for stepping in with a first-hand authoritative answer!
The quote from George Conard should have been enough, but your statement is
the definitive closer.

[Matt Burland]

I'm pretty sure you can still use it, but I'd certainly like the definitive
answer on that one. IIRC the deal with all the on campus Microsoft freebies
was that you were allowed to continue using them after you graduate. I
assume Microsoft are hoping you've got into the habit of upgrading by then
and will be willing to start paying for upgrades.
"Kory Postma" <ko****@NOhotSP AMmail.com> wrote in message
news:ed******** *************** *******@news.te ranews.com...

Well here is another question then. I'm a student and say I bought a
copy of it and then in another year I graduate and am no longer a
student. Can I still use the software? According to some EULAs I
think the answer would be no. Any information about this?
Kory (actually a MSDN pro subscriber)

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:59:34 -0600, "Peter van der Goes"
<p_**********@m ars.cox.net> wrote:

"Dino Chiesa [Microsoft]" <di****@online. microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:us******* *******@TK2MSFT NGP09.phx.gbl.. .

In reply to the original request,

MS provides a special pricing of Visual Studio to academic customers

without

restricting the commercial use of apps produced with the tool. In other
words, a customer, if they meet the requirements for the academic license, can license the academic edition of VS, can build apps with it, and can

sell

those apps for commercial purposes.

-Dino

--
Dino Chiesa
Microsoft Developer Division
d i n o c h @ o n l i n e . m i c r o s o f t . c o m

Dino,
Thank you very much for stepping in with a first-hand authoritative answer!The quote from George Conard should have been enough, but your statement isthe definitive closer.

[Kory Postma]

Well do you have the EULA from the academic version? Could you post
it here?
Kory

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:28:04 -0500, "Matt Burland"
<an*******@disc ussions.microso ft.com> wrote:

I'm pretty sure you can still use it, but I'd certainly like the definitive
answer on that one. IIRC the deal with all the on campus Microsoft freebies
was that you were allowed to continue using them after you graduate. I
assume Microsoft are hoping you've got into the habit of upgrading by then
and will be willing to start paying for upgrades.
"Kory Postma" <ko****@NOhotSP AMmail.com> wrote in message
news:ed******* *************** ********@news.t eranews.com...

Well here is another question then. I'm a student and say I bought a
copy of it and then in another year I graduate and am no longer a
student. Can I still use the software? According to some EULAs I
think the answer would be no. Any information about this?
Kory (actually a MSDN pro subscriber)

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:59:34 -0600, "Peter van der Goes"
<p_**********@m ars.cox.net> wrote:

>
>"Dino Chiesa [Microsoft]" <di****@online. microsoft.com> wrote in message
>news:us******* *******@TK2MSFT NGP09.phx.gbl.. .
>> In reply to the original request,
>>
>> MS provides a special pricing of Visual Studio to academic customers
>without
>> restricting the commercial use of apps produced with the tool. In other
>> words, a customer, if they meet the requirements for the academiclicense, >> can license the academic edition of VS, can build apps with it, and can
>sell
>> those apps for commercial purposes.
>>
>> -Dino
>>
>> --
>> Dino Chiesa
>> Microsoft Developer Division
>> d i n o c h @ o n l i n e . m i c r o s o f t . c o m
>>
>>
>Dino,
>Thank you very much for stepping in with a first-hand authoritativeanswer! >The quote from George Conard should have been enough, but your statementis >the definitive closer.