Email grabbing - How do you?

[InvisibleMan]

Hi, Thanks for any help in advance...

I'm wondering if anyone knows how or has the resource for
graabing a users email address without them knowing?

Before I hear all the 'Its not ethical' blurb - I know and my
use is legitimate...

I am build an e-commerce store and as well as grabbing the users
IP at point of sale, i think it would be invaluable to grab a
users email address (on top of their registration supplied
address - but not always) so that in cases of attempted fraud
there is an additional avenue by which we can investigate. The
intention is by no means for spam (which I loathe)

Anyone know how to do this?

Regards

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[Lee]

InvisibleMan said:

Hi, Thanks for any help in advance...

I'm wondering if anyone knows how or has the resource for
graabing a users email address without them knowing?

Before I hear all the 'Its not ethical' blurb - I know and my
use is legitimate...

I am build an e-commerce store and as well as grabbing the users
IP at point of sale, i think it would be invaluable to grab a
users email address (on top of their registration supplied
address - but not always) so that in cases of attempted fraud
there is an additional avenue by which we can investigate. The
intention is by no means for spam (which I loathe)

Anyone know how to do this?

If some information could obviously be used for unethical purposes,
responsible browser designers do not allow access to it.
There are no provisions for people who plan to use it ethically.

Collecting IP addresses is also useless. If I hit your web site,
the IP address you would see would be that of a proxy server that
is shared by hundreds of people.

In other cases visitors may have a different IP address every day,
depending on which machine happened to pick up the phone when they
dialed in to their ISP.

[osfameron]

> InvisibleMan said:

I'm wondering if anyone knows how or has the resource for
graabing a users email address without them knowing?

Before I hear all the 'Its not ethical' blurb - I know and my
use is legitimate...

If it is ethical, why do you need to do this "without them knowing?".
The usual non-javascripty solution is to send an email to the user with
a validation link. This guarantees that the address they supplied is
real (unlike any sneaker browser interrogation methods, even if they
worked).
--
osfameron

[Grant Wagner]

"InvisibleMan" <in**********@nodomain.com> wrote in message
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I'm wondering if anyone knows how or has the resource for
graabing a users email address without them knowing?
If my E-mail address were a Hotmail or Yahoo! account, which I used by
always typing the URL to Hotmail or Yahoo! into my browser and manually
typing the account information, how could you possibly obtain this
information, legitimate or not.

You really need to work on your reasoning skills.
Before I hear all the 'Its not ethical' blurb - I know and my
use is legitimate...
And I want to be able to write files anywhere I want on your local hard
disk. After all, I know the use is legitimate. Who cares if anyone else
could use the same functionality to destroy your computer.

Again, you need to work on your reasoning skills.
I am build an e-commerce store and as well as grabbing the users
IP at point of sale
Useless. And unnecessary, since the Web server already logs this
information with every GET.
, i think it would be invaluable to grab a
users email address (on top of their registration supplied
address - but not always) so that in cases of attempted fraud
there is an additional avenue by which we can investigate. The
intention is by no means for spam (which I loathe)

Uh huh. So let's assume you can grab the E-mail address I use with
Hotmail or Yahoo! What would stop me from signing up for a one-of
account using fake information to buy something at your site? What you
propose provides absolutely _no_ means to track down the person involved
in any fraudulent activity. If you are telling your client that you can
track down an individual involved in an on-line transaction using the IP
information you are recording, you are unknowingly lying to them.

Admittedly my ISP could identify which IP address was connecting to your
site from one of their 8 proxy servers serving the sub-net I am on at
the specified time. And they could then determine which cable modem was
assigned that IP address, and then determine which customer is
registered as having that cable modem, but I would imagine they would
need a pretty good reason (beyond "someone bought something
fraudulently") before they'd go to that trouble.

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Grant Wagner <gw*****@agricoreunited.com>
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