Group Saved My Job - Thank You

[irishgeek101]

Hi,

I am currently employed thanks to the help of an Java / XML IDE that I
found from the groups.

I was really struggling to get upto speed and my boss have given me 4
weeks to finish an application in Java/XML (which I told him i knew a
lot more about than I did at my interview, bad I know but I really
needed a job). Anyway I did it and he is delighted, the whole thing
works perfectly.

IDE was xbeanengine - www.xbeanengine.com - it is awesome.

Thanks a Million, Some day I hope I will be able to help someone in
the same way.

irishgeek101

[Thomas Weidenfeller]

Ganesan R <rg******@myrealbox.com> writes:

I've never seen xbeanengine mentioned in this newsgroup. I was curious about
the claim and had time to waste. So I checked out groups.google.com. I found
that almost every single post about the IDE is a promotion for the product.

Some of the postings are interestingly disguised but when you look at them
collectively in groups.google.com, you can easily see that some one is
attempting a subtle product placement.

Intresting coincidence that almost all of the postings come from yahoo
accounts.

/Thomas

[Michael Amling]

ir**********@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

Hi,

I am currently employed thanks to the help of an Java / XML IDE that I
found from the groups.

I was really struggling to get upto speed and my boss have given me 4
weeks to finish an application in Java/XML (which I told him i knew a
lot more about than I did at my interview, bad I know but I really
needed a job). Anyway I did it and he is delighted, the whole thing
works perfectly.

IDE was xbeanengine - www.xbeanengine.com - it is awesome.

I hear you're working for xbeanengine's marketing department.

--Mike Amling

[Larry Coon]

Michael Amling wrote:

I hear you're working for xbeanengine's marketing department.

I was reading the original post and thinking, "could
this guy BE any more obvious?"

One thing for sure -- I'm trying to settle on an IDE
to use myself, and I know what I -won't- pick. I
have a hard time trusting a company whose tactics are
so disingenuous.
Larry Coon
University of California

[irishgeek101]

You ignorant shower of idiots, I dont give a toss about what any of
you think.

Are any of you even old enough to remember when this was a community
and we all helped each other and in return all that was given was
thanks and praise. I spent years working on cobol and was bloody good
at it but where the hell can you get a decent cobol job these days.

The groups helped me and I said thanks and all you tossers can do is
come up with some crap about me being in marketing. Maybe you are the
sort of people who just take and never give or say thanks but I was
brought up to be polite and always try and return a favour. I bet
that not one of you even bothered to look at the app, no why would you
maybe you would learn something.

We are not all as shallow and stupid as you tossers.

yours in disgust.

101

[Edward Diener]

ir**********@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

Hi,

I am currently employed thanks to the help of an Java / XML IDE that I
found from the groups.

I was really struggling to get upto speed and my boss have given me 4
weeks to finish an application in Java/XML (which I told him i knew a
lot more about than I did at my interview, bad I know but I really
needed a job). Anyway I did it and he is delighted, the whole thing
works perfectly.

IDE was xbeanengine - www.xbeanengine.com - it is awesome.

Thanks a Million, Some day I hope I will be able to help someone in
the same way.

Ah, another one of those software tools which don't tell you a price until
you are already purchasing it. Will Internet scams never cease <g> ? How
convenient your message is <g><g>.

[Larry Coon]

ir**********@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

Are any of you even old enough to remember when this was a community
and we all helped each other and in return all that was given was
thanks and praise.
I -am- old enough, I -do- remember, and when that actually
happened, and it was pretty cool. But then the spammers and
marketers discovered that Usenet was a great marketing
opportunity just waiting to be exploited, and jaded all of us.
The groups helped me and I said thanks and all you tossers can do is
come up with some crap about me being in marketing. Maybe you are the
sort of people who just take and never give or say thanks but I was
brought up to be polite and always try and return a favour. I bet
that not one of you even bothered to look at the app, no why would you
maybe you would learn something.

I for one will personally not only apologize, but buy a
copy of your program if you can provide a Google link to
that time where "the groups" referred you to the tool,
and show that your little story with a happy ending
actually happened.
Larry Coon
University of California
la***@assist.org
and lm****@home.com

[gswork]

ir**********@yahoo.co.uk (ir**********@yahoo.co.uk) wrote in message news:<58**************************@posting.google. com>...

You ignorant shower of idiots, I dont give a toss about what any of
you think.

Are any of you even old enough to remember when this was a community
and we all helped each other and in return all that was given was
thanks and praise. I spent years working on cobol and was bloody good
at it but where the hell can you get a decent cobol job these days.

The groups helped me and I said thanks and all you tossers can do is
come up with some crap about me being in marketing. Maybe you are the
sort of people who just take and never give

This appears to be the first thread you've involved yourself in
according to groups.google.com

You might be genuine and you might not. People with broad internet
experience are wary of the many methods used to promote products, or
indeed the plain scams.

If 'you' are involved in the product then consider marketing it's
features and benefits in a more credible style. If you are not then
you've just experienced a dose of healthy skepticism and perhaps
learnt something about being on the net.

Either way, good luck.

[Thomas Weidenfeller]

Larry Coon <lmcoon@nospam_cox.net> writes:

I for one will personally not only apologize, but buy a
copy of your program if you can provide a Google link to
that time where "the groups" referred you to the tool,
and show that your little story with a happy ending
actually happened.

I think he will have a very hard time to do that. Google shows exactly
two postings from him. The one that started this thread and his rant.

But wait, there is more. In

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain

some "rachel", using an address of vi***************@yahoo.co.uk,
posted an xbeanengine recommendation, from a british telecom business
ADSL netblock via google.

Our irishgeek posts from the same (rather large) BT business ADSL
netblock, also via google, also using a @yahoo.co.uk e-mail address.

With that kind of luck, I wish irishgeek would play the lottery in my
name.

/Thomas

[Steve]

That's a whole load of bad language and an even worse attitude for
"someone who was brought up to be polite".

Take your rants elsewhere thanks. Why are you so bothered if people
look at this app or not? My boss won't thank me for wasting time
looking at every random application refered to on usenet.

On 1 Jul 2003 16:09:52 -0700, ir**********@yahoo.co.uk
(ir**********@yahoo.co.uk) wrote:

You ignorant shower of idiots, I dont give a toss about what any of
you think.

Are any of you even old enough to remember when this was a community
and we all helped each other and in return all that was given was
thanks and praise. I spent years working on cobol and was bloody good
at it but where the hell can you get a decent cobol job these days.

The groups helped me and I said thanks and all you tossers can do is
come up with some crap about me being in marketing. Maybe you are the
sort of people who just take and never give or say thanks but I was
brought up to be polite and always try and return a favour. I bet
that not one of you even bothered to look at the app, no why would you
maybe you would learn something.

We are not all as shallow and stupid as you tossers.

yours in disgust.

101

~ If emailing, please use: Steve_A_Haigh
~ @
~ hotmail.com
~

[dbtid]

Thomas Weidenfeller wrote:

Larry Coon <lmcoon@nospam_cox.net> writes:

I for one will personally not only apologize, but buy a
copy of your program if you can provide a Google link to
that time where "the groups" referred you to the tool,
and show that your little story with a happy ending
actually happened.

I think he will have a very hard time to do that. Google shows exactly
two postings from him. The one that started this thread and his rant.

But wait, there is more. In

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain

some "rachel", using an address of vi***************@yahoo.co.uk,
posted an xbeanengine recommendation, from a british telecom business
ADSL netblock via google.

Our irishgeek posts from the same (rather large) BT business ADSL
netblock, also via google, also using a @yahoo.co.uk e-mail address.

With that kind of luck, I wish irishgeek would play the lottery in my
name.

/Thomas

Totally offtopic, Thomas, but how did you arrive at the conclusion
that 81.134.x.y is an ADSL netblock?

Just curious how you gleaned that bit of information from an IP
address, since I found nothing in the header that indicated this.

Thanks.

[Thomas Weidenfeller]

dbtid <db***@dev-null.us> writes:

Totally offtopic, Thomas, but how did you arrive at the conclusion
that 81.134.x.y is an ADSL netblock?

Just curious how you gleaned that bit of information from an IP
address, since I found nothing in the header that indicated this.

I did a whois lookup on the ip address and was lucky. RIPE's record
that came up for the block started with:

inetnum: 81.134.0.0 - 81.134.23.255
remarks: Please send abuse notification to ab***@btopenworld.com
netname: BT-ADSL
descr: Broadband Business
[...]

Easy, isn't it :-)

/Thomas

[Galen Boyer]

On 1 Jul 2003, ir**********@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

You ignorant shower of idiots

LOL, I have to give kudos to this line. He may be full of
hogwash, but great line.

--
Galen Boyer

[Microsoft Gump XP]

ir**********@yahoo.co.uk (ir**********@yahoo.co.uk) asked "what's the
sound of one hand clapping?", and I said it's a bit like this:

You ignorant shower of idiots, I dont give a toss about what any of
you think.

Well, he's definitely Irish.
- Dave -
- Remove 123456 to email -
- The heart of 'believe' is a lie. -

[Slottech]

On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 03:26:47 GMT, "Edward Diener"
<el******@earthlink.net> wrote:

ir**********@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

Hi,

I am currently employed thanks to the help of an Java / XML IDE that I
found from the groups.

I was really struggling to get upto speed and my boss have given me 4
weeks to finish an application in Java/XML (which I told him i knew a
lot more about than I did at my interview, bad I know but I really
needed a job). Anyway I did it and he is delighted, the whole thing
works perfectly.

IDE was xbeanengine - www.xbeanengine.com - it is awesome.

Thanks a Million, Some day I hope I will be able to help someone in
the same way.

Ah, another one of those software tools which don't tell you a price until
you are already purchasing it. Will Internet scams never cease <g> ? How
convenient your message is <g><g>.

everybody should just go and use his email addie and request the
download link and ask to be subed to the newsletter

x-- 100 Proof News - http://www.100ProofNews.com
x-- 3,500+ Binary NewsGroups, and over 90,000 other groups
x-- Access to over 800 Gigs/Day - $8.95/Month
x-- UNLIMITED DOWNLOAD

[Fritz Reinders]

> >

IDE was -<enough plugging his product>- it is awesome.

Ah, another one of those software tools which don't tell you a price until
you are already purchasing it. Will Internet scams never cease <g> ? How
convenient your message is <g><g>.

Gotta admire his persistence. He calls a reference to a language list
an ad, then the only link or language he quotes is the product he's
plugging :)

Interesting though that his referred page seems to offer mothing but
hype. Solid info (including any idea of cost) only to those that
offer up enough data to guess how much they can be gouged for ;p

Methinks this product will be well remembered...bad for business...
Fritz

[Alan Gillespie]

"Microsoft Gump XP" <da**********@eircom456.net> wrote in message
news:db********************************@4ax.com...

ir**********@yahoo.co.uk (ir**********@yahoo.co.uk) asked "what's the
sound of one hand clapping?", and I said it's a bit like this:

You ignorant shower of idiots, I dont give a toss about what any of
you think.

Well, he's definitely Irish.

/He/ may be an ignorant SOB but there's no need for you to join him.

[Ian Mayo]

Fascinating looking user interface - one of the most original Java GUI's
I've seen.

Still, won't be touching it with a very long barge-pole.

See what you get for trying to insult my intelligence?

Ian
<ir**********@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:58**************************@posting.google.c om...

Hi,

I am currently employed thanks to the help of an Java / XML IDE that I
found from the groups.

I was really struggling to get upto speed and my boss have given me 4
weeks to finish an application in Java/XML (which I told him i knew a
lot more about than I did at my interview, bad I know but I really
needed a job). Anyway I did it and he is delighted, the whole thing
works perfectly.

IDE was xbeanengine - www.xbeanengine.com - it is awesome.

Thanks a Million, Some day I hope I will be able to help someone in
the same way.

irishgeek101

[Mike Silva]

Galen Boyer <ga********@hotpop.com> wrote in message news:<u4***********@standardandpoors.com>...

On 1 Jul 2003, ir**********@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

You ignorant shower of idiots

LOL, I have to give kudos to this line. He may be full of
hogwash, but great line.

Yes, it is good! Pondering an ignorant shower of anything could get quite intense!

[Mark Meyer]

In our last episode, Wolfgang Riedel wrote:

ha,
been to site,
seen they want my money,
want me to give them all kind of info, before even telling me a price, ...

Actually, all you need to do to get a price is select a country on the order
form, and the price is JavaScripted in. A single license is 750 euros.
--
Mark Meyer mm****@raytheon.com
Raytheon Voice [phone] Fax [phone]

[Jonnie Russell]

My name is Jonnie Russell, I am the Founder of Electronic Reality, the
company that built the XBeanEngine, I personally wrote the vast
majority of the code in the XBeanEngine over the last 3 years. I
would like to take this oppurtunity to set the record straight on the
recent post(s) by irishgeek101.

- irishgeek101 does work for a marketing company based in London
- irishgeek101 did not have our authority to post the message or
subsequent respones
- irishgeek101 and the marketing company she works for no longer has
any relationship with Electronic Reality
- Electronic Reality did not post the message nor ask for it to be
posted. The tone and content of the second post, could only prove to
damage our company and the so called help of the initial message, we
can also do without.

Electronic Reality was created to build quality applications and
prides itself on the quality of our software, we are not marketing
experts and have up until now relied on external marketing resource,
this was a mistake on our behalf and we are with immediate effect
taking all marketing inhouse where we can ensure that our marketing
represents our true values.

Please accept my apoligies for any offence that was caused, if in the
future you come across similar post(s) in regard to the xbeanengine
please email me directly so that I can deal with them personally.
[e-mail]
Sincerely

Mr. J. Russell
Founder
Electronic Reality
www.xbeanengine.com

[Programmer Dude]

Jonnie Russell wrote:

Please accept my apoligies for any offence that was caused,..

You are quite gracious, sir. I'd estimate your stock has risen
greatly in these groups.

Good Luck!

--
|_ CJSonnack <Ch***@Sonnack.com> _____________| How's my programming? |
|_ http://www.Sonnack.com/ ___________________| Call: 1-800-DEV-NULL |
|_____________________________________________|___ ____________________|

[Thomas Weidenfeller]

[e-mail] (Jonnie Russell) writes:

My name is Jonnie Russell, I am the Founder of Electronic Reality, the
company that built the XBeanEngine, I personally wrote the vast
majority of the code in the XBeanEngine over the last 3 years. I
would like to take this oppurtunity to set the record straight on the
recent post(s) by irishgeek101.
Thanks for posting. Do you mind if I ask a few questions and make a few
suggestions?
- irishgeek101 does work for a marketing company based in London
But you did hire that marketing company? Care to tell us the name of
that company? How long did they work for you?
- irishgeek101 did not have our authority to post the message or
subsequent respones
Was it just the posting that was not authorised, or didn't you
authorise the whole style/idea of that "marketing campaign" (to praise
your product on usenet, using made-up stories and identities)?

Care to tell us about other marketing activities that company did for
you (maybe in other newsgroups)?

Will you sue them for your damages?
- Electronic Reality did not post the message nor ask for it to be
posted. The tone and content of the second post, could only prove to
damage our company and the so called help of the initial message, we
can also do without.
When/how did you learn about the posting? Do you monitor this groups?
Electronic Reality was created to build quality applications and
prides itself on the quality of our software, we are not marketing
experts and have up until now relied on external marketing resource,
this was a mistake on our behalf and we are with immediate effect
taking all marketing inhouse where we can ensure that our marketing
represents our true values.
Have a look at the usenet advertising FAQ

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/adve.../how-to/part1/
Please accept my apoligies for any offence that was caused, if in the
future you come across similar post(s) in regard to the xbeanengine
please email me directly so that I can deal with them personally.
[e-mail]

You would benefit from re-working your company and product web pages a
little bit and provide useful contact information there. When I tried
to find out some information about that xbeanthingy lies your whole
site looked like some fly-by-night operation.

Things which I couldn't find (maybe they are well hidden), but which I
expect on a company's web site include:

* Name of owner/CEO/board/etc.

* Complete postal address of company. And it would help if the postal address
matches the other claims of the company's location :-)

* Fixed phone number

* Fax number

* E-Mail address

* Information about the company's size (number of employees - if any
:-), business volume, etc.)

* Information about the company's field of expertise (no marketing
blabla please)

* If businesses have to be registered in your country: Your
registration number or similar information.

* Your EU VAT registration number. If I remember it correctly, you
should have one, being in the Schengen zone..

* In some countries it is common to publish your bank details, too.

I would also expect to find a list of all products, and easily
accessible pricing information, before the ordering process starts.

And you see what? You got all this suggestions for free without the
need to pay a marketing company. You could have gotten it earlier if
you would have asked.

/Thomas

[Steve]

I'm pretty new around here. What seems pretty sad to me is that the
oldhands clearly expected it to be a piece of marketing hype which
simply means that it must happen a great deal.
I've programmed in many languages for many years and have recently
started with Java, but there are other language groups that still have
the flavour of cooperation that was so enjoyable all those years ago
(harrumph! harrrumph!!!).
Trying to learn how the Java classes work would be easier if the groups
were full of existing questions and answers! Then the great day comes
when *I* can answer someone's question and my, sadly greying, chest
swells with pride. Beats me why these places don't just form on their own.

Steve
Jonnie Russell wrote:

My name is Jonnie Russell, I am the Founder of Electronic Reality, the
company that built the XBeanEngine, I personally wrote the vast
majority of the code in the XBeanEngine over the last 3 years. I
would like to take this oppurtunity to set the record straight on the
recent post(s) by irishgeek101.

- irishgeek101 does work for a marketing company based in London
- irishgeek101 did not have our authority to post the message or
subsequent respones
- irishgeek101 and the marketing company she works for no longer has
any relationship with Electronic Reality
- Electronic Reality did not post the message nor ask for it to be
posted. The tone and content of the second post, could only prove to
damage our company and the so called help of the initial message, we
can also do without.

Electronic Reality was created to build quality applications and
prides itself on the quality of our software, we are not marketing
experts and have up until now relied on external marketing resource,
this was a mistake on our behalf and we are with immediate effect
taking all marketing inhouse where we can ensure that our marketing
represents our true values.

Please accept my apoligies for any offence that was caused, if in the
future you come across similar post(s) in regard to the xbeanengine
please email me directly so that I can deal with them personally.
[e-mail]
Sincerely

Mr. J. Russell
Founder
Electronic Reality
www.xbeanengine.com

[Marco Schmidt]

fup2 comp.lang.java.programmer

Steve:

I'm pretty new around here. What seems pretty sad to me is that the
oldhands clearly expected it to be a piece of marketing hype which
simply means that it must happen a great deal.
I've programmed in many languages for many years and have recently
started with Java, but there are other language groups that still have
the flavour of cooperation that was so enjoyable all those years ago
(harrumph! harrrumph!!!).
Trying to learn how the Java classes work would be easier if the groups
were full of existing questions and answers!

But there are a lot of questions and answers on the runtime library
and external libraries. What exactly are you missing?

Regards,
Marco
--
Please reply in the newsgroup, not by email!
Java programming tips: http://jiu.sourceforge.net/javatips.html
Other Java pages: http://www.geocities.com/marcoschmidt.geo/java.html

[Randy Howard]

In article <be**********@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>,
no****@eed.ericsson.invalid says...

When/how did you learn about the posting? Do you monitor this groups?

I'm more curious how any real marketing company could allow a
representative to use "irishgeek" in the first place. They
must represent the single most clueless collection of marketeers
on the planet, and that is an impressive feat in and of itself.

--
Randy Howard
remove the obvious bits from my address to reply.

[Jonnie Russell]

> Thanks for posting. Do you mind if I ask a few questions and make a few

suggestions?

- irishgeek101 does work for a marketing company based in London
But you did hire that marketing company? Care to tell us the name of
that company? How long did they work for you?

To avoid obvious legal issues I can't mention their name but they are
a London based, Online marketing company which we hired at the
beginning of the year.

Will you sue them for your damages?
That decision hasnt been made yet.
When/how did you learn about the posting? Do you monitor this groups?

I noticed a spike in the apache logs and checked the referer which
lead me to the thread. No I don't monitor the groups.

Thank you for the suggestions about our web site, I will look into
updating the information.
Sincerely

Mr. J. Russell
Founder
Electronic Reality
www.xbeanengine.com

[Grant Wagner]

Steve wrote:

I'm pretty new around here. What seems pretty sad to me is that the
oldhands clearly expected it to be a piece of marketing hype which
simply means that it must happen a great deal.
I've programmed in many languages for many years and have recently
started with Java, but there are other language groups that still have
the flavour of cooperation that was so enjoyable all those years ago
(harrumph! harrrumph!!!).
Trying to learn how the Java classes work would be easier if the groups
were full of existing questions and answers! Then the great day comes
when *I* can answer someone's question and my, sadly greying, chest
swells with pride. Beats me why these places don't just form on their own.

Steve

It seems to me these places *do* form on their own. Witness the entire
comp.lang.* newsgroup hierarchy, complete with associated FAQs maintained by
dedicated individuals for no money and often with every newbie pointing out
how "wrong" it is.

The problem is the very nature of the "community". It attracts like-minded
people, and wherever like-minded people gather, marketers are sure to follow.
This is because the community of like-minded people is a self-constructed
targetable demographic. No need for surveys or mining census data, everyone in
comp.lang.java.* is interested in Java in some way, shape or form, so it's the
perfect place to attempt to sell Java-related products.

The problem is made worse by the anonymous nature of usenet (anonymous in the
sense that a person living in North America would have little opportunity to
verify the story of a successful project deployment in Ireland) and the
ability to communicate massive amounts of information for little or no cost.

Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with this behaviour, or advocate it, but I
think it's important to understand that this sort of thing is to be "expected"
in any mass communication medium where like-minded people gather. The fact
that people still help each other and read these newsgroups in spite of the
marketing invasion speaks to the strength of the community, not it's weakness.

--
| Grant Wagner <gw*****@agricoreunited.com>

[Thomas Weidenfeller]

[e-mail] (Jonnie Russell) writes:

To avoid obvious legal issues I can't mention their name but they are
a London based, Online marketing company which we hired at the
beginning of the year.

You also avoided to answer my question if this company did other
(similar?) marketing activities for you.

/Thomas

[goose]

[e-mail] (Jonnie Russell) wrote in message news:<dd**************************@posting.google. com>...

<snipped>

When/how did you learn about the posting? Do you monitor this groups?

I noticed a spike in the apache logs

sadly, this type of "marketing" seems to be getting the results
intended -> make more people aware of the product
(unless it was intended to *sell* more of the product, in which
case it is impossible for me to say if it worked)

<snipped>
goose,
you spamless bastards ;-)