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Does anyone pay attention to standards?

Hi everyone,

Just out of curiosity I recently pointed one of my hand-typed pages at the W3
Validator, and my hand-typed code was just ripped to shreds. Then I pointed
some major sites (microsoft.com, cnn.com, etc.) at the W3 Validator; to my
surprise none of them passed.

Doesn't anyone care anymore, or are the standards more-or-less looked at as
guidlines for web design?

Isaac

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Jul 20 '05
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Whitecrest wrote:
Of course this only proves my point


No it doesn't. You are an idiot.

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Jul 20 '05 #151
Whitecrest wrote:
When the non standard solution is supported by virtually
every browser.


As is the standard solution.

*plonk*

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Jul 20 '05 #152
In article <pa****************************@goddamn.co.uk>,
to*****@goddamn.co.uk says...
Of course this only proves my point

No it doesn't. You are an idiot.


good come-back
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Jul 20 '05 #153
In article <pa****************************@goddamn.co.uk>,
to*****@goddamn.co.uk says...
When the non standard solution is supported by virtually
every browser.

As is the standard solution.
*plonk*


Bye bye now

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www.whitecrestent.com
Jul 20 '05 #154
Eric Jarvis wrote:
I LIKE Flash...I'd just like to see it used well more than 0.1% of the
time


I never really cared much for Flash, and being on a browser and platform
without a Flash plugin has been nearly the best browsing experience of my
life (at times, the sort of euphoria of my first serious Web browsing, back
in 1996).

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Shawn K. Quinn
Jul 20 '05 #155
In article <m8********************@speakeasy.net>,
sk*****@xevious.kicks-ass.net says...
I LIKE Flash...I'd just like to see it used well more than 0.1% of the
time

I never really cared much for Flash, and being on a browser and platform
without a Flash plugin has been nearly the best browsing experience of my
life (at times, the sort of euphoria of my first serious Web browsing, back
in 1996).


So does your dislike mean that others should not be able to use it to?
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Jul 20 '05 #156
Whitecrest wrote:
In article <m8********************@speakeasy.net>,
sk*****@xevious.kicks-ass.net says...
I never really cared much for Flash, and being on a browser and platform
without a Flash plugin has been nearly the best browsing experience of my
life (at times, the sort of euphoria of my first serious Web browsing,
back in 1996).


So does your dislike mean that others should not be able to use it to?


No, but others should keep in mind that:

1) Flash isn't always there
2) There should be a suitable non-Flash alternative for Flash content
3) Not everyone who has the Flash plugin necessarily prefers Flash content
(I suspect a good number of people who lack the technical expertise to
deinstall the Flash plugin see it as a "crap vector" as I do)

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Shawn K. Quinn
Jul 20 '05 #157
In article Harlan Messinger wrote:

"James Pickering" <ja*******@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20***************************@mb-m29.aol.com...
International Standards relating to computer technologies are mostly

formulated
and published jointly by the ISO (International Organization for

Standards) and
the IEC (International Electrotechnical Commission):

http://www.wssn.net/WSSN/gen_inf.html#international

Thus ISO-HTML is actually an ISO/IEC standard.


Oh. Then why aren't we all validating to

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "ISO/IEC 15445:2000//DTD HyperText Markup
Language//EN">


Because IE6 is buggy and uses quirks mode for that?

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Jul 20 '05 #158
Lauri Raittila wrote:
Harlan Messinger wrote:

James Pickering wrote:
International Standards relating to computer technologies are mostly formulated and published jointly by the ISO (International Organization for Standards) and the IEC (International Electrotechnical Commission):

http://www.wssn.net/WSSN/gen_inf.html#international

Thus ISO-HTML is actually an ISO/IEC standard.


Oh. Then why aren't we all validating to

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "ISO/IEC 15445:2000//DTD HyperText Markup
Language//EN">


Because IE6 is buggy and uses quirks mode for that?


No, it uses "CSS1Compat" mode for that, it uses "BackCompat" mode for:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "ISO/IEC 15445:2000//DTD HTML//EN">

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Karl Smith.
Jul 20 '05 #159
Whitecrest wrote:
In article <Pi*******************************@ppepc56.ph.gla. ac.uk>,
fl*****@ph.gla.ac.uk says...
It's not the designer's prerogative to declare the "bottom line".


Sure it is.


I hope you never do software development. ;) Ever hear of project
management? Requirements gathering? Designing something without first
gathering adequate requirements is a good way to produce crap. Letting a
designer have free reign to do what they like is another.

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Jul 20 '05 #160
In article <c7***********@ID-224809.news.uni-berlin.de>, us****@c-net.us
says...
It's not the designer's prerogative to declare the "bottom line". Sure it is.

I hope you never do software development. ;)


I have won numerous awards for software development, to include the
Summit Award for top software developer, and development team leader
team at MCI/WCOM. (I created the Intimate Knowledge Component IKC, which
allows applications from any platform to speak to other applications on
different platforms.)

Additionally, I have won several educational awards (from Central Texas
College) for developing tests (educational tests) for the computer
science department in PACRIM.
Ever hear of project
management? Requirements gathering? Designing something without first
gathering adequate requirements is a good way to produce crap. Letting a
designer have free reign to do what they like is another.


Yes, which is why you should not depend on crappy supported standards.
I preach, you have to understand what the site is trying to accomplish,
and the audience that you are trying to reach. Which is interestingly
enough, exactly what you are saying too.

(ps, I thought this thread was dead)

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www.whitecrestent.com
Jul 20 '05 #161
On Mon, 3 May 2004 22:17:23 -0400, Whitecrest
<wh********@whitecrestziopzap.com> declared in
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html,alt.html:
(ps, I thought this thread was dead)


There hasn't been a new one started on the same topic yet. Can't let
this one die till then. :-)

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Mark Parnell
http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au
Jul 20 '05 #162
For no other reason than the personal satisfaction of complying with the
International Standard, I have written all my Web site pages in ISO-HTML. All
markup validates to the prescribed DTD.

BTW, if the W3C HTML 4.01 Strict Doctype Declaration is substituted the Markup
also Validates to that DTD.

James Pickering
http://www.jp29.org/
Jul 20 '05 #163

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