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How to get MAP to work with mouseover

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The following passes the test as valid, and the mouseover for the six
indicated areas also work.
I need various areas to link to another page, including the six
mentioned.
However either the MAP works by itself, or the below mouseover works,
but not both.
Would someone be kind as to lend some help?

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<title>Stripper wells and production</title>
<style type="text/css">
#centerImage {text-align: center;}
</style>
</head>

<body>
<div>
<img src="Usa52.gif" alt="USA map" usemap="#USMap"
style="position: top: 2px; left: 4px; height: 431px; width: 760px;
border-style:none" />
</div>

<div style="position: absolute; top: 64px; left: 264px; "
<img style = "" ALT=""
src='USblk.gif' onmouseover="this.src='USred.gif';"
onmouseout="this.src='USblk.gif';" >
</div>
<div style="position: absolute; top: 175px; left: 623px; "
<img style = "" ALT=""
src='Ired.gif' onmouseover="this.src='Iblk.gif';"
onmouseout="this.src='Ired.gif';" >
</div>
<div style="position: absolute; top: 150px; left: 444px; "
<img style = "" ALT=""
src='IIred.gif' onmouseover="this.src='IIblk.gif';"
onmouseout="this.src='IIred.gif';" >
</div>
<div style="position: absolute; top: 334px; left: 372px; "
<img style = "" ALT=""
src='IIIred.gif' onmouseover="this.src='IIIblk.gif';"
onmouseout="this.src='IIIred.gif';" >
</div>
<div style="position: absolute; top: 140px; left: 299px; "
<img style = "" ALT=""
src='IVred.gif' onmouseover="this.src='IVblk.gif';"
onmouseout="this.src='IVred.gif';" >
</div>
<div style="position: absolute; top: 166px; left: 179px; "
<img style = "" ALT=""
src='Vred.gif' onmouseover="this.src='Vblk.gif';"
onmouseout="this.src='Vred.gif';" >
</div>

<div>
<map id="Usa52" name="Usa52">
<area shape="rect" alt="US" coords="264,64,288,79"
href="gUS.htm" title="US" >
<area shape="poly" alt="CA" coords="157,164,151,168,151,173,148,182,148,189,
153,213,159,216,156,222,157,225,159,228,162,229,16 2,235,161,239,166,254,169,
254,167,262,171,269,177,270,177,272,181,276,184,27 6,184,278,185,280,191,280,
196,295,219,297,225,281,224,265,184,209,189,171"
href="gCA.htm" title="CA" >
<area shape="default" nohref="nohref" alt="" >
</map>
</div>
</body>
</html>
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Robert Baer <ro********@earthlink.net> wrote:
However either the MAP works by itself, or the below mouseover works,
but not both.


Please specify what you mean by "works" and its opposite, and please provide
URLs for the two versions you have created. There's little point in
everyone's trying to reconstruct the problem when you could simply have
posted the URLs.

--
Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
Pages about Web authoring: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/www.html

Apr 11 '06 #2

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Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
Robert Baer <ro********@earthlink.net> wrote:

However either the MAP works by itself, or the below mouseover works,
but not both.

Please specify what you mean by "works" and its opposite, and please provide
URLs for the two versions you have created. There's little point in
everyone's trying to reconstruct the problem when you could simply have
posted the URLs.

Err...i presented the code and stated that the MAP prevents the
mouseover section above it from working.
URL?
Pray tell me where i should post such a theoretical webpage, when the
code was given.
Apr 11 '06 #3

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Robert Baer <ro********@earthlink.net> wrote:
Err...i presented the code and stated that the MAP prevents the
mouseover section above it from working.
You didn't say what really happens.

And you presented a code snippet, not a URL.
URL?
Indeed.
Pray tell me where i should post such a theoretical webpage, when the
code was given.


On the World Wide Web. If you are asking for a free help, the least you
should do is your homework, including setting up a demo page so that others
won't have to construct a real case for you.

If you don't know how to create web pages, consider consulting a primer.

--
Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
Pages about Web authoring: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/www.html

Apr 11 '06 #4

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Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
Robert Baer <ro********@earthlink.net> wrote:

Err...i presented the code and stated that the MAP prevents the
mouseover section above it from working.

You didn't say what really happens.

And you presented a code snippet, not a URL.

URL?

Indeed.

Pray tell me where i should post such a theoretical webpage, when the
code was given.

On the World Wide Web. If you are asking for a free help, the least you
should do is your homework, including setting up a demo page so that others
won't have to construct a real case for you.

If you don't know how to create web pages, consider consulting a primer.

Let me get this straight.
I presented a complete HTML document, and you claim it is a "snippet".
Then you want me to find somewhere on the WWW that does not exist at
this moment, to place that code.
Pray tell, what good will that do?
Apr 12 '06 #5

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Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
Robert Baer <ro********@earthlink.net> wrote:

Err...i presented the code and stated that the MAP prevents the
mouseover section above it from working.

You didn't say what really happens.

And you presented a code snippet, not a URL.

URL?

Indeed.

Pray tell me where i should post such a theoretical webpage, when the
code was given.

On the World Wide Web. If you are asking for a free help, the least you
should do is your homework, including setting up a demo page so that others
won't have to construct a real case for you.

If you don't know how to create web pages, consider consulting a primer.

Oh, i forgot...i did mention what happens - *twice*.
Apr 12 '06 #6

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Here are the URLs that show only one (MAP or onMouseOver) works, and
not both.
If anyone can tell me how to get both to work, i would appreciate it.
http://oil4lessllc.com/omy2.htm
http://oil4lessllc.com/sw4.htm

Please no bitching that this is a retail site; it was the only way i
could get the (posted) code to a URL site.
Apr 12 '06 #7

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Robert Baer wrote:
Here are the URLs that show only one (MAP or onMouseOver) works, and
not both.
If anyone can tell me how to get both to work, i would appreciate it.


Well, after your pointless babbling and even insults, I'm not interested
any more. Hope this helps. Have a nice day. Better luck^H^H^H^Hbehavior
next time.
Apr 12 '06 #8

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VK
OP:
<full problem description>
Would someone be kind as to lend some help? <full HTML code posted>

Mr. Korpela: Please specify what you mean by "works" and its opposite,
and please provide URLs for the two versions you have created.
<snip>

OP: Here are the URLs that show only one (MAP or onMouseOver) works,
and not both.
Mr.Korpela: Well, after your pointless babbling and even insults, I'm not interested
any more. Hope this helps. Have a nice day. Better luck^H^H^H^Hbehavior
next time.


Mr. Korpela: my sorry duty is to inform you that you are currently
acting like a complete asshole - without any asterix.

To OP: in the posted links one doesn't have usemap, another one doesn't
have rollover block: thusly the difference in the behavior is
completely sustained by the code.

The original code posted here does work - I checked it with random
images on my side. As a side note: I would suggest to specify widht and
height for your div's. Your presumption that they always will have the
minimum needed size to accomodate the content is reasonnable but not
always true.

Your code must be not working for some subtle typo you've made while
copying and pasting and not represented here.

Here the minimum proof of concept (hover the yellow div, then try
California):

<html>
<head>
<title>Untitled Document</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type"
content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
</head>

<body>
<img src="Usa52.gif" width="760" height="431" border="0"
usemap="#map1">
<map name="map1">
<area shape="rect" coords="139,171,216,303"
href="http://www.google.com">
</map>
<div onmouseover="this.innerHTML='foo';"
onmouseout="this.innerHTML='bar';" id="Layer1"
style="position:absolute; width:170px; height:78px;
background-color:#FFFF00; z-index:1; left: 111px; top: 118px"></div>
</body>
</html>

Apr 12 '06 #9

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VK wrote:
Mr. Korpela: my sorry duty is to inform you that you are currently
acting like a complete asshole - without any asterix.


And I'll stand up here to defence Jukka. He does over-react sometimes,
but this one's justified.

Post the URLs, make things easy for the people who you're hoping to
help you. We don't _have_ to do this you know, and I'm sure we're all
busy.

Apr 12 '06 #10

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Gazing into my crystal ball I observed Robert Baer
<ro********@earthlink.net> writing in
news:4L*****************@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net:
On the World Wide Web. If you are asking for a free help, the least
you should do is your homework, including setting up a demo page so
that others won't have to construct a real case for you.

If you don't know how to create web pages, consider consulting a
primer.

Let me get this straight.
I presented a complete HTML document, and you claim it is a
"snippet". Then you want me to find somewhere on the WWW that does
not exist at
this moment, to place that code.
Pray tell, what good will that do?


You are supposed to post the code somewhere on the WWW. There are
several reasons:
1. The code that you posted has images, and we do not have the images.
2. You copy and pasted the code from editor to your news client, it is
possible there was an error.
3. When you put the code up on the WWW, we can see exactly what it is
doing, or not doing.

--
Adrienne Boswell
Please respond to the group so others can share
http://www.cavalcade-of-coding.info
Apr 13 '06 #11

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Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
Here are the URLs that show only one (MAP or onMouseOver) works, and
not both.
If anyone can tell me how to get both to work, i would appreciate it.

Well, after your pointless babbling and even insults, I'm not interested
any more. Hope this helps. Have a nice day. Better luck^H^H^H^Hbehavior
next time.

I did not insult you; i figgured you were just egging me on and had
no real interest in helping - i gave you the benefit of my doubt, bou
your true colors now show.
Apr 13 '06 #12

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VK wrote:
OP:
<full problem description>
Would someone be kind as to lend some help?
<full HTML code posted>

Mr. Korpela:
Please specify what you mean by "works" and its opposite,
and please provide URLs for the two versions you have created.

<snip>

OP:
Here are the URLs that show only one (MAP or onMouseOver) works,
and not both.

Mr.Korpela:
Well, after your pointless babbling and even insults, I'm not interested
any more. Hope this helps. Have a nice day. Better luck^H^H^H^Hbehavior
next time.

Mr. Korpela: my sorry duty is to inform you that you are currently
acting like a complete asshole - without any asterix.

To OP: in the posted links one doesn't have usemap, another one doesn't
have rollover block: thusly the difference in the behavior is
completely sustained by the code.

** Due completely to my abysimal ignorance; do not have the faintest
idea as to what a "rollover block" is or means or what it would look
like or act.

The original code posted here does work - I checked it with random
images on my side. As a side note: I would suggest to specify widht and
height for your div's. Your presumption that they always will have the
minimum needed size to accomodate the content is reasonnable but not
always true. ** So the size of a given image or text should always be specified in a DIV?
That leads me to the question about placement of that "object" -
should that also always be given?

Your code must be not working for some subtle typo you've made while
copying and pasting and not represented here. ** Possible; i have done a Copy of some code from one validated HTML
prog i made that worked, and did a Paste into another validated HTML
prog i made that worked; theresult made the validator barf all over the
place.
The first time i was pissed and tossed the results; the second time i
carefully by hand over-typed the same characters - including <CR> and
<LF> being forced by hand.
No visible difference, but the result worked.
Ther must be a way to find out what squirlies are there.

Here the minimum proof of concept (hover the yellow div, then try
California):

<html>
<head>
<title>Untitled Document</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type"
content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
</head>

<body>
<img src="Usa52.gif" width="760" height="431" border="0"
usemap="#map1">
<map name="map1">
<area shape="rect" coords="139,171,216,303"
href="http://www.google.com">
</map>
<div onmouseover="this.innerHTML='foo';"
onmouseout="this.innerHTML='bar';" id="Layer1"
style="position:absolute; width:170px; height:78px;
background-color:#FFFF00; z-index:1; left: 111px; top: 118px"></div>
</body>
</html>

Will try that; all my experimental code with images are on another
drive and OS.
Thanks.
Apr 13 '06 #13

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Andy Dingley wrote:
VK wrote:

Mr. Korpela: my sorry duty is to inform you that you are currently
acting like a complete asshole - without any asterix.

And I'll stand up here to defence Jukka. He does over-react sometimes,
but this one's justified.

Post the URLs, make things easy for the people who you're hoping to
help you. We don't _have_ to do this you know, and I'm sure we're all
busy.

They have been posted (notice past tense).
But i fail to see having the code on the web helps at all.
Please explain.
Apr 13 '06 #14

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VK

Robert Baer wrote:
** Due completely to my abysimal ignorance; do not have the faintest
idea as to what a "rollover block" is or means or what it would look
like or act.
Rollover block/effect is a piece of your page that changes its
appearance depending on if the moise pointer over it or not. (Could be
a better wording, but clear enough I hope).
In your sample these are Roman letters as you may guess.
** Possible; i have done a Copy of some code from one validated HTML prog i made that worked, and did a Paste into another validated HTML
prog i made that worked; theresult made the validator barf all over the
place.


I would imagine.

Mr. Baer, copy-n-paste may work only if the person has some, even the
most wague idea of *what* is he copying and pasting. Otherwise it will
be a continuous chain of disappointments then two perfectly working
codes are totalling into one non working - as it is right now.
I mean it is possible to have a new electric schema explained - if you
already worked with others. But you cannot just grab first time ever
an iron and pull it into your TV set in hope that contacts will get
connected in the right way.

You current level of knowledge doesn't let you yet to do manual coding.
If you are determined to learn Web technics by your own (which is great
by itself) then appreciate the job Martyr2 did for you:
<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/tree/browse_frm/thread/116218c237182715/97e67b455e35481a?rnum=1&hl=en&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fcom p.lang.javascript%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2F116218c2 37182715%2F43e1f6e79f731d4c%3Fhl%3Den%26#doc_e4527 2a768fbeb68>
It is indeed above of that one could regularly expect from a public
newsgroup. His code does work - your code looks the same but it
doesn't. So take both and study them until the latest smallest
difference will be totally clear to you. Do not ask for each point "why
did you place here > or + or - ?". This is a wrong approach. Google
instead for the tag or attribute where you see a change. Find out
everything about this tag or attribute. Make several copies of the
working sample and play with it until you feel yourselve comfortable.
Come back for more help - but only after the above stage is
accomplished.

If you are willing to invest some money into your Web education, this
list may be of some interest to you:
<http://dir.yahoo.com/Regional/U_S__States/California/Metropolitan_Areas/San_Francisco_Bay_Area/Business_and_Shopping/Business_to_Business/Computers/Training_and_Development/>

If you are in a time frame and/or on narrow funds, you have to use some
higher level authoring software with error control and a set of
scriptable widgets (another term you may want to remember).

You can download then a 30-day trial copy of Macromedia Dreamweaver:
<http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/tdrc/index.cfm?product=dreamweaver>

Apr 13 '06 #15

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In article <kC*****************@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>, Robert Baer writes:
Andy Dingley wrote:

Post the URLs, make things easy for the people who you're hoping to
help you. We don't _have_ to do this you know, and I'm sure we're all
busy.

They have been posted (notice past tense).
But i fail to see having the code on the web helps at all.
Please explain.


There are a few reasons to do this:
1. If you don't, then every person who might consider helping you
would need to take the time to put it into a page on their
server. Since you're already relying on the kindness of others
to investigate your problem, it's in your self-interest to make
it as easy for them to do so as possible.
2. Code snippets posted in an article are often found to be missing
relevant parts (DOCTYPEs, for example).
3. Code snippets posted in an article often end up being different
from the real code, despite the best cut-and-paste in the world.
4. Sometimes, things such as images or style sheets are relevant.
They wouldn't be included in a post.
5. Sometimes, problems aren't with the html itself, but with file
permissions or server configuration. These can only be detected
by seeing the page in its native environment.

--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
The name of the story is "A Sound of Thunder".
It was written by Ray Bradbury. You're welcome.

Apr 13 '06 #16

P: n/a
VK wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
** Due completely to my abysimal ignorance; do not have the faintest
idea as to what a "rollover block" is or means or what it would look
like or act.

Rollover block/effect is a piece of your page that changes its
appearance depending on if the moise pointer over it or not. (Could be
a better wording, but clear enough I hope).
In your sample these are Roman letters as you may guess.
> ** Possible; i have done a Copy of some code from one validated HTML


prog i made that worked, and did a Paste into another validated HTML
prog i made that worked; theresult made the validator barf all over the
place.

I would imagine.

Mr. Baer, copy-n-paste may work only if the person has some, even the
most wague idea of *what* is he copying and pasting. Otherwise it will
be a continuous chain of disappointments then two perfectly working
codes are totalling into one non working - as it is right now.
I mean it is possible to have a new electric schema explained - if you
already worked with others. But you cannot just grab first time ever
an iron and pull it into your TV set in hope that contacts will get
connected in the right way.

You current level of knowledge doesn't let you yet to do manual coding.
If you are determined to learn Web technics by your own (which is great
by itself) then appreciate the job Martyr2 did for you:
<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/tree/browse_frm/thread/116218c237182715/97e67b455e35481a?rnum=1&hl=en&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fcom p.lang.javascript%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2F116218c2 37182715%2F43e1f6e79f731d4c%3Fhl%3Den%26#doc_e4527 2a768fbeb68>
It is indeed above of that one could regularly expect from a public
newsgroup. His code does work - your code looks the same but it
doesn't. So take both and study them until the latest smallest
difference will be totally clear to you. Do not ask for each point "why
did you place here > or + or - ?". This is a wrong approach. Google
instead for the tag or attribute where you see a change. Find out
everything about this tag or attribute. Make several copies of the
working sample and play with it until you feel yourselve comfortable.
Come back for more help - but only after the above stage is
accomplished.

If you are willing to invest some money into your Web education, this
list may be of some interest to you:
<http://dir.yahoo.com/Regional/U_S__States/California/Metropolitan_Areas/San_Francisco_Bay_Area/Business_and_Shopping/Business_to_Business/Computers/Training_and_Development/>

If you are in a time frame and/or on narrow funds, you have to use some
higher level authoring software with error control and a set of
scriptable widgets (another term you may want to remember).

You can download then a 30-day trial copy of Macromedia Dreamweaver:
<http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/tdrc/index.cfm?product=dreamweaver>

I must admit that everything you said is correct, with one minor
exception.
When i did that copy & paste the result did not work, *but* when i
over-typed the copied section, it did work and verified good.
Hell, the working example that Martyr2 gave presented some problems:
one save was via File/ SaveAs and another save was RightClick/
ViewPageSource/ Edit/ SelectAll/ Copy/ Paste to notebook & save.
Both versions worked, but DOS FC said there were a number of
differences; and *no* differences were visible!
Oh, even that they looked absolutely identical, one was 1K larger
(one cluster; could have been a difference of as little as one character).
It is that kind of crap that makes it very difficult to know what is
really going on.
Apr 13 '06 #17

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Michael Stemper wrote:
In article <kC*****************@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>, Robert Baer writes:
Andy Dingley wrote:


Post the URLs, make things easy for the people who you're hoping to
help you. We don't _have_ to do this you know, and I'm sure we're all
busy.


They have been posted (notice past tense).
But i fail to see having the code on the web helps at all.
Please explain.

There are a few reasons to do this:
1. If you don't, then every person who might consider helping you
would need to take the time to put it into a page on their
server. Since you're already relying on the kindness of others
to investigate your problem, it's in your self-interest to make
it as easy for them to do so as possible.
2. Code snippets posted in an article are often found to be missing
relevant parts (DOCTYPEs, for example).
3. Code snippets posted in an article often end up being different
from the real code, despite the best cut-and-paste in the world.
4. Sometimes, things such as images or style sheets are relevant.
They wouldn't be included in a post.
5. Sometimes, problems aren't with the html itself, but with file
permissions or server configuration. These can only be detected
by seeing the page in its native environment.

Thanks for the info, but one does not need to put an HTML "page" on a
server to see how it works.
I have done all development and testing locally on a single-user
computer, off line.
So, that has been the native environment for developing all "pages"
that i have actually wound up using online in a website.
When i saw certain things not working, i knew the coding was in error
somehow, and it seemed to me tha posting the code as i had, would allow
someone reading it to see "oh, you messed up here" etc.
And up until i did the posting, that seemed to be the MO.
And what i had included were not "snippets", they were complete
copies of what i had been working on.
However, there *has* been a copy problem - apparently invisible
characters get embedded - the result looks exactly like the original,
but causes, at minimum, validation errors.
I have taken one such file and hand over-typed the area in question;
the result looked absolutely identical - but was valid!
So taking the validated HTML and FTP it to a site appears to
eliminate that crap, making things easier on both sides of the "fence".
I sure would like to know what exatly is causing that barfing...
Apr 13 '06 #18

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On Thu, 13 Apr 2006, Robert Baer wrote:

[quotes the answer to his question, despite *still* apparently
ignoring it]
Thanks for the info, but one does not need to put an HTML "page"
on a server to see how it works.


You really are too stubborn to seem capable of using any help.
Bye.
Apr 13 '06 #19

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Alan J. Flavell wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2006, Robert Baer wrote:

[quotes the answer to his question, despite *still* apparently
ignoring it]

Thanks for the info, but one does not need to put an HTML "page"
on a server to see how it works.

You really are too stubborn to seem capable of using any help.
Bye.

I ignored nothing.
Somehow you missed that i accepted the code and used it sucessfully,
and even asked how wording should be to indicate where the help came from.
As far as thinking my statement "one does not need to put an HTML
page on a server" being seen as stubborn, i think you missed that i was
stating a fact learned from experience.
And i believe i mentioned that all HTML code (good, bad, whatever)
was developed on a off-line computer and tested to be at least working
(albeit it may have massive errors).
In this particular case, the final, validated code can be seen at:
http://oil4lessllc.com/StripperWells.htm
Apr 14 '06 #20

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VK wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
** Due completely to my abysimal ignorance; do not have the faintest
idea as to what a "rollover block" is or means or what it would look
like or act.

Rollover block/effect is a piece of your page that changes its
appearance depending on if the moise pointer over it or not. (Could be
a better wording, but clear enough I hope).
In your sample these are Roman letters as you may guess.
> ** Possible; i have done a Copy of some code from one validated HTML


prog i made that worked, and did a Paste into another validated HTML
prog i made that worked; theresult made the validator barf all over the
place.

I would imagine.

Mr. Baer, copy-n-paste may work only if the person has some, even the
most wague idea of *what* is he copying and pasting. Otherwise it will
be a continuous chain of disappointments then two perfectly working
codes are totalling into one non working - as it is right now.
I mean it is possible to have a new electric schema explained - if you
already worked with others. But you cannot just grab first time ever
an iron and pull it into your TV set in hope that contacts will get
connected in the right way.

You current level of knowledge doesn't let you yet to do manual coding.
If you are determined to learn Web technics by your own (which is great
by itself) then appreciate the job Martyr2 did for you:
<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/tree/browse_frm/thread/116218c237182715/97e67b455e35481a?rnum=1&hl=en&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fcom p.lang.javascript%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2F116218c2 37182715%2F43e1f6e79f731d4c%3Fhl%3Den%26#doc_e4527 2a768fbeb68>
It is indeed above of that one could regularly expect from a public
newsgroup. His code does work - your code looks the same but it
doesn't. So take both and study them until the latest smallest
difference will be totally clear to you. Do not ask for each point "why
did you place here > or + or - ?". This is a wrong approach. Google
instead for the tag or attribute where you see a change. Find out
everything about this tag or attribute. Make several copies of the
working sample and play with it until you feel yourselve comfortable.
Come back for more help - but only after the above stage is
accomplished.

If you are willing to invest some money into your Web education, this
list may be of some interest to you:
<http://dir.yahoo.com/Regional/U_S__States/California/Metropolitan_Areas/San_Francisco_Bay_Area/Business_and_Shopping/Business_to_Business/Computers/Training_and_Development/>

If you are in a time frame and/or on narrow funds, you have to use some
higher level authoring software with error control and a set of
scriptable widgets (another term you may want to remember).

You can download then a 30-day trial copy of Macromedia Dreamweaver:
<http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/tdrc/index.cfm?product=dreamweaver>

No, i cannot download a file that size; i am on POTS and even
download managers do not cope with the line problems here.
Anything over about 2Megs is a problem.
How can i get a CD?
Apr 14 '06 #21

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On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:06:01 GMT, Robert Baer <ro********@earthlink.net>
wrote:
Thanks for the info, but one does not need to put an HTML "page" on a
server to see how it works.


You're the expert, so you go fix it.

<plonk>

Apr 14 '06 #22

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Andy Dingley wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:06:01 GMT, Robert Baer <ro********@earthlink.net>
wrote:

Thanks for the info, but one does not need to put an HTML "page" on a
server to see how it works.

You're the expert, so you go fix it.

<plonk>

I am so far from being an expert, that there is no term other than
"ignorant dummy".
If you cannot test an HTML page on your computer, then that is your
problem.
Apr 14 '06 #23

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VK

Robert Baer wrote:
i am on POTS and even
download managers do not cope with the line problems here.
Anything over about 2Megs is a problem.
How can i get a CD?


I just realized that Dreamweaver 8 is out of use to you any way as it
requires Windows 2000 or higher.

I'm affraid that the ancient art to write fully functional features
rich applications within 1Mb or less has been lost longest time ago:
about the same time as MS-DOS went out of use :-)

By the way: MS-DOS FileCompare (FC) utilite is useless for HTML
comparison unless you are using it with the keys /L /C /W (compare as
ASCII, ignore case, ignore white space differences). In HTML case is
not significant and white spaces collapse, so say
<P> Paragraph </P>
<p> Paragraph </p>
means the same.

If you can cope with 1.6Mb download you can get an ancient but good
enough editor Arachnophilia 4.0 by Paul Lutus:
<http://www.arachnoid.com/arachnophilia/index_old.html>

You may also enjoy reading its free CareWare license (the only one of
its kind I guess): <http://www.arachnoid.com/careware/index.html>

Apr 14 '06 #24

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VK wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
i am on POTS and even
download managers do not cope with the line problems here.
Anything over about 2Megs is a problem.
How can i get a CD?

I just realized that Dreamweaver 8 is out of use to you any way as it
requires Windows 2000 or higher.

I'm affraid that the ancient art to write fully functional features
rich applications within 1Mb or less has been lost longest time ago:
about the same time as MS-DOS went out of use :-)

By the way: MS-DOS FileCompare (FC) utilite is useless for HTML
comparison unless you are using it with the keys /L /C /W (compare as
ASCII, ignore case, ignore white space differences). In HTML case is
not significant and white spaces collapse, so say
<P> Paragraph </P>
<p> Paragraph </p>
means the same.

If you can cope with 1.6Mb download you can get an ancient but good
enough editor Arachnophilia 4.0 by Paul Lutus:
<http://www.arachnoid.com/arachnophilia/index_old.html>

You may also enjoy reading its free CareWare license (the only one of
its kind I guess): <http://www.arachnoid.com/careware/index.html>

Wow; only 1.6Mbytes - tolerable.
I run three OSes, different drive for each - and Win2K is the one
where i do all my "fancy" work: LTspice, Ivex WinBoard, Nerd, Hexcel,
web page development, etc.
Thanks!

Apr 15 '06 #25

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VK wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
i am on POTS and even
download managers do not cope with the line problems here.
Anything over about 2Megs is a problem.
How can i get a CD?

I just realized that Dreamweaver 8 is out of use to you any way as it
requires Windows 2000 or higher.

I'm affraid that the ancient art to write fully functional features
rich applications within 1Mb or less has been lost longest time ago:
about the same time as MS-DOS went out of use :-)

By the way: MS-DOS FileCompare (FC) utilite is useless for HTML
comparison unless you are using it with the keys /L /C /W (compare as
ASCII, ignore case, ignore white space differences). In HTML case is
not significant and white spaces collapse, so say
<P> Paragraph </P>
<p> Paragraph </p>
means the same.

If you can cope with 1.6Mb download you can get an ancient but good
enough editor Arachnophilia 4.0 by Paul Lutus:
<http://www.arachnoid.com/arachnophilia/index_old.html>

You may also enjoy reading its free CareWare license (the only one of
its kind I guess): <http://www.arachnoid.com/careware/index.html>

Just for the Halibut (fishy reasons), i opened the HTML in Nerd, and
futzed around to try to get it to look similar to what one sees online.
Well, it was not possible, and the resulting HTML code generated by
Nerd was an order of magniture larger than before (so what else can one
expect from M$?).
And to add insult to that injury, there were 107 errors (i had
started with a "mere" 22 erors).
WordPerfect X3 was harder to deal with looks.
The only "good" thing was that there were only 2 errors flagged.
I guess the moral is to never use a tool for a different function,
and never expect decent conversions from internal native form to exernal
foreign forms.
Apr 15 '06 #26

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VK

Robert Baer wrote:
Wow; only 1.6Mbytes - tolerable.


If you have Java JRE 1.4 or higher installed, you can download
Arachnophilia 5.2 executable .jar (1.5 Mb)
<http://www.arachnoid.com/arachnophilia/Arachnophilia.jar>

(after v.4.0 the author switched on Java platform).

Apr 15 '06 #27

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