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Web Calendar Re-Launch, Feedback Requested

We're in the process of re-launching our web calendar product. We would
like to get your opinions on a couple of things about our site and
product.

This is a relaunch of an existing product with hundreds of customers. The
major effort of the re-launch is to focus more on the hosted calendar
market. Toward that end, we've re-designed our web site, and changed our
pricing. Essentially, we've dropped the license fee that we were charging
for hosting and now charge only a monthly fee. Our bottom end price is now
$99 per year.

The URL is:

http://www.mhsoftware.com/hosting/

Things we're really interested in feedback on are:

1)The web site design. It's a new site.
2)The hosted trial signup process.
It takes about two minutes to get a working trial.

a) does it work?
b) can you find it?
c) Is it simple enough to follow? Can it be improved?

The target market for this product is business, churches, schools, and
civic group/clubs/non-profit organizations.

Finally, we're interested in your thoughts on price-point. I know there
are a lot of cheaper or free calendars out there. We think our product
offers a lot of features that make it stand out, and justify the slightly
higher cost. High-end things we do include

Virtual host name support within your domain Resource Management
Really customizable appearance
No advertising
iCal/Outlook Import/Export
Best in class security system
Best in class calendar, including exceptions for recurring events,
attachments to events, Email notifications and reminders, Time zone
support, and much more.

We appreciate your feedback. If we get at least 5 people from a.w.w or
c.i.w.a.h who try the trial signup, look at the product, and provide
feedback we'll have a drawing and give away a free year's hosting of our
10 calendar product.

Thanks for your help.

--
George Sexton
MH Software, Inc. - Home of Connect Daily Web Calendar
http://www.mhsoftware.com/conectdaily.htm

Dec 22 '05 #1
38 2413
George Sexton wrote:
The target market for this product is .. churches, schools, and
civic group/clubs/non-profit organizations. We think our product
offers a lot of features that make it stand out, and justify the slightly
higher cost. High-end things we do include

If you are having to justify the higher cost then I think your target
market is way off.
--
Brian Wakem
Email: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/b.wakem/myemail.png
Dec 22 '05 #2
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:37:59 +0000, Brian Wakem wrote:
George Sexton wrote:
The target market for this product is .. churches, schools, and civic
group/clubs/non-profit organizations.

We think our product
offers a lot of features that make it stand out, and justify the
slightly higher cost. High-end things we do include

If you are having to justify the higher cost then I think your target
market is way off.


These are people who have been buying the product at the higher price
points.

You don't think someone like a church would pay slightly more for a
virtual host in their domain?

You don't think someone like a Chamber of Commerce group would pay a
$99.00 per year for a web calendar that could be made to look like their
site?

--
George Sexton
MH Software, Inc. - Home of Connect Daily Web Calendar
http://www.mhsoftware.com/conectdaily.htm

Dec 22 '05 #3
George Sexton wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:37:59 +0000, Brian Wakem wrote:
George Sexton wrote:
The target market for this product is .. churches, schools, and civic
group/clubs/non-profit organizations.
We think our product
offers a lot of features that make it stand out, and justify the
slightly higher cost. High-end things we do include
If you are having to justify the higher cost then I think your target
market is way off.


These are people who have been buying the product at the higher price
points.

You don't think someone like a church would pay slightly more for a
virtual host in their domain?

No I don't. Churches are poor.

You don't think someone like a Chamber of Commerce group would pay a
$99.00 per year for a web calendar that could be made to look like their
site?

No I don't.
My point is that you admit it is expensive (having spent half the post
justifying the price) and then tell us your target market is the poorest
people (churches, schools, non-profit..).

It's a bit like selling caviar to Somalians.

--
Brian Wakem
Email: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/b.wakem/myemail.png
Dec 22 '05 #4
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:31:42 +0000, Brian Wakem wrote:

You don't think someone like a church would pay slightly more for a
virtual host in their domain?

No I don't. Churches are poor.


My church budgeted $15,000 US for a new web site this year.

Out in front of our building, we have a LED display sign that cost $80,000
and we're shopping for $5,000,000 plots of land.

Not all churches are poor, they just all act that way.
--
George Sexton
MH Software, Inc. - Home of Connect Daily Web Calendar
http://www.mhsoftware.com/conectdaily.htm

Dec 22 '05 #5
If it's 3 AM, and I've got a killer toothache, it would be quite nice
to be able to pencil myself in for the first available appointment - 2
PM - with my dentist, then take some heavy duty pain killer and try to
sleep until noon.

If I have to set the alarm for 8 AM in order to call for an
appointment, I'm going to be in considerably more misery.

If it can handle that, a web calendar would be worth $99 to the
dentist. It might even be worth $99 a year.

But I don't think $99/year is going to fly with most users. It's not
saving them much money, and it's not making them much money.
--
If we're losing 40-130 species a day,
How come nobody can itemize them?
And why can't fruitflies be one of them?
Dec 22 '05 #6

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005, George Sexton wrote:
We're in the process of re-launching our web calendar product. We would
like to get your opinions on a couple of things about our site and
product.

This is a relaunch of an existing product with hundreds of customers. The
major effort of the re-launch is to focus more on the hosted calendar
market. Toward that end, we've re-designed our web site, and changed our
pricing. Essentially, we've dropped the license fee that we were charging
for hosting and now charge only a monthly fee. Our bottom end price is now
$99 per year.

The URL is:

http://www.mhsoftware.com/hosting/

Things we're really interested in feedback on are:

1)The web site design. It's a new site.
2)The hosted trial signup process.
It takes about two minutes to get a working trial.

a) does it work?
b) can you find it?
c) Is it simple enough to follow? Can it be improved?

The target market for this product is business, churches, schools, and ^^^^^^^^ civic group/clubs/non-profit organizations.

[snip]

If you are targetting religious organizations, it may be worthwhile to add
two more features:

1. Built-in calculation of religious holidays for *all* religions and

2. an option to use other calendars, especially religious calendars
(Jewish, Islamic, Hindu, Bahá'í, etc.) with appropriate conversion.

(How would you handle a calendar for a company with branches in
India, Israel and Saudi Arabia?)

For calendar conversion, check out the book, _Calendrical_Calculations_
by Nachum Dershowitz and Edward M. Reingold, Cambridge University Press,
ISBN 0-521-56474-3 (My copy cost me CDN $31.95 in July 1997.)

All of the code they give, however, is in LISP[1] so some code conversion
will probably be necessary. See:
http://emr.cs.uiuc.edu/home/reingold...ook/index.html

[1] LISP: (Lots of (Infuriating (Spurious (Parentheses))))
--
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"Oh how I miss the days when it was easier to catch gonorhea than a
computer virus." -- Big Will in alt.comp.virus, March 9, 2005

Dec 22 '05 #7
Norman L. DeForest wrote:

For calendar conversion, check out the book, _Calendrical_Calculations_
by Nachum Dershowitz and Edward M. Reingold, Cambridge University Press,
ISBN 0-521-56474-3 (My copy cost me CDN $31.95 in July 1997.)

All of the code they give, however, is in LISP[1] so some code conversion
will probably be necessary. See:
http://emr.cs.uiuc.edu/home/reingold...ook/index.html

There is another edition, "Calendrical Calculations, The Millennium
Edition", 2001, isbn 0-521-77167-6 paperback (or isbn 0-521-77752-6
hardcover). Same authors and publisher. It comes with a CDROM that has the
code in lisp, Java and Mathematica.

--
jmm (hyphen) list (at) sohnen-moe (dot) com
(Remove .AXSPAMGN for email)
Dec 23 '05 #8
George Sexton wrote:

Things we're really interested in feedback on are:

1)The web site design. It's a new site.

- HTML 4.01 Transitional was only meant for transitioning pre-v4 pages to
v4 HTML.
Use HTML v4.01 Strict:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">

- Font sizes in px (or pt) are not necessarily scalable. Use % or EMs instead.
- Fixed width design. Not very friendly for small screens like handhelds.
- Use of <br> to create paragraphs. Use <p>.

- No top menu without Javascript.
- The :hover in the top menu links looks different from other links.
- The top menu does not fit in the banner area because I have minimum font
size set in my browser. It has made the text larger and clips the bottom
of the background image. It also covers your company name/logo.
- The right menu does not fit in the banner area because I have minimum
font size set in my browser. It has made the text larger and pushes the
text and images below the background image.
On the Features page the right side extends waaay past the background,
and that has nothing to do with font size.

- The preview images are fairly poor quality. I'd expect more than a
slightly larger blurry image.

- The PDF brochure describes a product that runs on a local server at my
site. Oops?
- Does "gas-fired generator" mean a gasoline-driven unit? Or propane? Or
natural gas? Or methane? Do you have a regularly rehearsed disaster plan?
- I may have missed it: Is the communication link with the calendar server
encrypted (HTTPS)?

A feature question: For how many weeks can I set the weekly view?
Most calendars show 5 weeks with the preceding and succeeding days
faded. That is, they have a month fixation. I work week-to-week; I'd like
to see 8 or 9 weeks so I can easily view what happened last month and what
is planned next month without a lot of flipping back and forth.

--
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Dec 23 '05 #9
Gazing into my crystal ball I observed George Sexton
<gs*****@mhsoftware.com> writing in news:pan.2005.12.22.14.24.09.111339
@mhsoftware.com:
The URL is:

http://www.mhsoftware.com/hosting/

Things we're really interested in feedback on are:

1)The web site design. It's a new site.
2)The hosted trial signup process.
It takes about two minutes to get a working trial.

a) does it work?
b) can you find it?
c) Is it simple enough to follow? Can it be improved?


In addition to what others have said, most calendar developers provide a
working example of a calendar, not a blurry picture. Search in any of the
script sites for calendars and you'll see what I mean.

--
Adrienne Boswell
http://www.cavalcade-of-coding.info
Please respond to the group so others can share
Dec 23 '05 #10

On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:55:55 +0000, Adrienne Boswell
wrote:
Gazing into my crystal ball I observed George Sexton
<gs*****@mhsoftware.com> writing in news:pan.2005.12.22.14.24.09.111339
@mhsoftware.com:

In addition to what others have said, most calendar developers provide a
working example of a calendar, not a blurry picture. Search in any of the
script sites for calendars and you'll see what I mean.


On the menu, there is a dropdown labelled "Try It".

Move your mouse over that word, and when the drop down appears, click on
"Live Demonstration".

--
George Sexton
MH Software, Inc. - Home of Connect Daily Web Calendar
http://www.mhsoftware.com/conectdaily.htm

Dec 23 '05 #11
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:56:20 -0700, Jim Moe wrote:
George Sexton wrote:

Things we're really interested in feedback on are:

A feature question: For how many weeks can I set the weekly view? Most
calendars show 5 weeks with the preceding and succeeding days
faded. That is, they have a month fixation. I work week-to-week; I'd
like to see 8 or 9 weeks so I can easily view what happened last month
and what is planned next month without a lot of flipping back and forth.


If you view the Month view calendar, in the first day of the week, there
is a "Week xx" link. Click on that to see our week view.

We have a list view that lets you specify a date range, but the calendar
view is limited to one month.

--
George Sexton
MH Software, Inc. - Home of Connect Daily Web Calendar
http://www.mhsoftware.com/conectdaily.htm

Dec 23 '05 #12
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:54:24 -0400, Norman L. DeForest wrote:

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005, George Sexton wrote:
2. an option to use other calendars, especially religious calendars
(Jewish, Islamic, Hindu, Bahá'í, etc.) with appropriate conversion.

(How would you handle a calendar for a company with branches in India,
Israel and Saudi Arabia?)

Well, quite simply I'm guessing they would all use the gregorian calendar.

Re Hindu holidays: Others have said I was silly for targeting churches and
schools because they typically have limited funds. I could just see the
howls of laughter if I targeted India...

I'm not really opposed to dealing with Jewish holidays, but then I have to
do Hebrew support. If you haven't done web sites that support Hebrew (or
Arabic) then you have no idea of what you're getting into. For the really
limited size of the Israeli market, I'm not going through the brain damage.
For calendar conversion, check out the book, _Calendrical_Calculations_ by
Nachum Dershowitz and Edward M. Reingold, Cambridge University Press, ISBN
0-521-56474-3 (My copy cost me CDN $31.95 in July 1997.)

I've seen the book. Its really badly written. Last time I priced it, it
was something like 80$ US.
All of the code they give, however, is in LISP[1] so some code conversion
will probably be necessary. See:
http://emr.cs.uiuc.edu/home/reingold...ook/index.html

[1] LISP: (Lots of (Infuriating (Spurious (Parentheses))))


Lisp is terrible. I used to write AutoLisp routines for CAD programs many
years ago. I hated it.

--
George Sexton
MH Software, Inc. - Home of Connect Daily Web Calendar
http://www.mhsoftware.com/conectdaily.htm

Dec 23 '05 #13
George Sexton wrote:

If you view the Month view calendar, in the first day of the week, there
is a "Week xx" link. Click on that to see our week view.

We have a list view that lets you specify a date range, but the calendar
view is limited to one month.

Ah. So you adhere to the month fixation.
Why are calendar makers so obsessed with months? A month is just a
half-assed aggregation of weeks. Weeks are how people work.

--
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Dec 23 '05 #14
Writing in news:alt.http://www.webmaster,comp.infosystem...authoring.html
From the safety of the cafeteria
Jim Moe <jm***************@sohnen-moe.com> said:
...
Why are calendar makers so obsessed with months? A month is just a
half-assed aggregation of weeks. Weeks are how people work.


but months are how they get paid - a significant time-slice for many

--
William Tasso

Save the drama
for your Mama.
Dec 23 '05 #15
On 23/12/2005 the venerable William Tasso etched in runes:
Writing in news:alt.http://www.webmaster,comp.infosystem...authoring.html
From the safety of the cafeteria
Jim Moe <jm***************@sohnen-moe.com> said:
...
Why are calendar makers so obsessed with months? A month is just a
half-assed aggregation of weeks. Weeks are how people work.


but months are how they get paid - a significant time-slice for many


Not so. In the UK, many people are now paid on a four week rotation.
Less money each time but you do get 13 pay-slips a year!!

--
John B
Dec 23 '05 #16
Re: http://www.mhsoftware.com/hosting/
Adrienne Boswell wrote:
In addition to what others have said, most calendar developers provide a
working example of a calendar, not a blurry picture. Search in any of the
script sites for calendars and you'll see what I mean.

George Sexton <gs*****@mhsoftware.com> wrote: On the menu, there is a dropdown labelled "Try It".


On what menu? I don't see "Try It" anywhere.

Even with JavaScript enabled, I don't see anything like that.
--
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Web Design Group, da***@htmlhelp.com, http://www.HTMLHelp.com/

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Dec 23 '05 #17
William Tasso wrote:
Writing in news:alt.http://www.webmaster,comp.infosystem...authoring.html
From the safety of the cafeteria
Jim Moe <jm***************@sohnen-moe.com> said:
...
Why are calendar makers so obsessed with months? A month is just a
half-assed aggregation of weeks. Weeks are how people work.


but months are how they get paid - a significant time-slice for many

While I may pay bills on a monthly basis, I have always been paid either
weekly or bi-weekly. Never once a month.

--
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Dec 23 '05 #18
JRS: In article <pa****************************@mhsoftware.com>, dated
Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:46:38 local, seen in news:comp.infosystems.www.autho
ring.html, George Sexton <gs*****@mhsoftware.com> posted :

I'm not really opposed to dealing with Jewish holidays, but then I have to
do Hebrew support. If you haven't done web sites that support Hebrew (or
Arabic) then you have no idea of what you're getting into. For the really
limited size of the Israeli market, I'm not going through the brain damage.


Jewish holidays are important outside Israel, too; plenty of people who
know English could be interested.

--
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Dates - miscdate.htm moredate.htm js-dates.htm pas-time.htm critdate.htm etc.
Dec 23 '05 #19
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:04:19 -0700, Jim Moe
<jm***************@sohnen-moe.com> posted something that included:
Why are calendar makers so obsessed with months? A month is just a
half-assed aggregation of weeks. Weeks are how people work.


Harry's Law: "When you can't figure out something, take a look at the
money" (Dr. Harry Dimond, research chemist)

People get paid once or twice a month, and they pay their accounts
once a month.

--
If we're losing 40-130 species a day,
How come nobody can itemize them?
And why can't fruitflies be one of them?
Dec 24 '05 #20

George Sexton wrote:
We're in the process of re-launching our web calendar product. We would
like to get your opinions on a couple of things about our site and
product.

This is a relaunch of an existing product with hundreds of customers. The
major effort of the re-launch is to focus more on the hosted calendar
market. Toward that end, we've re-designed our web site, and changed our
pricing. Essentially, we've dropped the license fee that we were charging
for hosting and now charge only a monthly fee. Our bottom end price is now
$99 per year.

The URL is:

http://www.mhsoftware.com/hosting/

Things we're really interested in feedback on are:

1)The web site design. It's a new site. Well. You have JavaScript for the top navigation. In FireFox with JS
disabled, it doesn't work at all.
I would suggest useing some normal text links a long the bottom of the
page which match those in the top nav bar. As you can not get to your
contact link unless you use the top navigation with JS enabled. Which
is not always possable.
2)The hosted trial signup process.
It takes about two minutes to get a working trial.

a) does it work? Ummm. Shouldn't you have tested that yourself before placeing the site
on the web?.
b) can you find it?
c) Is it simple enough to follow? Can it be improved? Yes. You need to do something regarding the JavaScript thing.

The target market for this product is business, churches, schools, and
civic group/clubs/non-profit organizations.

Finally, we're interested in your thoughts on price-point. I know there
are a lot of cheaper or free calendars out there. We think our product
offers a lot of features that make it stand out, and justify the slightly
higher cost. High-end things we do include

Virtual host name support within your domain Resource Management
Really customizable appearance
No advertising
iCal/Outlook Import/Export
Best in class security system
Best in class calendar, including exceptions for recurring events,
attachments to events, Email notifications and reminders, Time zone
support, and much more.

We appreciate your feedback. If we get at least 5 people from a.w.w or
c.i.w.a.h who try the trial signup, look at the product, and provide
feedback we'll have a drawing and give away a free year's hosting of our
10 calendar product.

Thanks for your help.

Well. Regarding the price. I don't think $99 per year is that expensive
for Non-proffits. There are a lot of community groups who do have a lot
of money to spend, through donation etc etc.
--
Regards Chad. http://freewebdesign.cjb.cc

Dec 24 '05 #21
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 13:10:02 GMT, Baho Utot
<on*******@pbyhzohf.ee.pbz> wrote:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 21:46:44 -0500, MGW shouted Hoy......

[putulin]

Why do you have to do Hebrew? In case you haven't noticed, there are
Jews all over the world (well, except in countries that have
persecuted them to death.)


Come to think of it I have never came across a Jew here, and it is not
because we have persecuted them to death.

Could a Filipino 'be/was/could be' a Jew?
Me thinks we of the wrong color.


Don't see why not one can adopt any religion. But traditionally the
Jews are the ancient race of people known as the Israelites.

Matt
--
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Dec 24 '05 #22
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:48:29 GMT, co******@probertencyclopaedia.com
(Matt Probert) posted something that included:
Don't see why not one can adopt any religion. But traditionally the
Jews are the ancient race of people known as the Israelites.


Uh, that's not quite correct. Most ancient city-states were formed as
an extended family got larger and larger, with the old man of the clan
serving as king. The jews, however, started out as a ragtag collection
of those whose families had been pretty much wiped out by other
families.

The covenant bound these people together and to the god they selected.
(There was never any doubt that other gods existed; even the ten
commandments asserted that he was the god of the hebrew people, and
that the other gods ought not be worshipped, something that would have
been harmless had the other gods simply been figments of the
imagination. In order to commit to the covenant, you had to submit to
an operation that, uh, well, you might not want to have it done just
as a lark; you'd surely be *serious* before you agreed to that.

Were they successful because of the cross-breeding of these people and
the hybrid vigor of their offspring? Possibly - but more likely, it
was the fact that you added together the accumulated knowledge of each
group forming the Habiru (aka Hebrew). They not only were one of the
first groups that was literate, but they had mathematics, too - and
they went to Egypt, thinking that their skills would allow them to
earn a good living.

Even today, there are many jews in the international banking industry,
and it may have gone back to that. Or more likely not.

They aren't the only ones. My family has been involved in web hosting
since the 1300s....
--
If we're losing 40-130 species a day,
How come nobody can itemize them?
And why can't fruitflies be one of them?
Dec 24 '05 #23
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 19:04:53 -0500, MGW <mg*****@hotmail.com> posted
something that included:
They aren't the only ones. My family has been involved in web hosting
since the 1300s....
Really? What kind of web hosting did they do back then?


Fast and reliable, of course. It was rather expensive, however, as it
used up a lot of carrier pigeons.

--
If we're losing 40-130 species a day,
How come nobody can itemize them?
And why can't fruitflies be one of them?
Dec 25 '05 #24

On Sun, 25 Dec 2005, Paul Ding wrote:
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 19:04:53 -0500, MGW <mg*****@hotmail.com> posted
something that included:
They aren't the only ones. My family has been involved in web hosting
since the 1300s....

Really? What kind of web hosting did they do back then?


Fast and reliable, of course. It was rather expensive, however, as it
used up a lot of carrier pigeons.


I trust that you conformed to RFC 1149, RFC 2321, RFC 2322, RFC 2549
and RFC 4041?

--
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"Oh how I miss the days when it was easier to catch gonorhea than a
computer virus." -- Big Will in alt.comp.virus, March 9, 2005

Dec 25 '05 #25
In <43***************@news.ntlworld.com>, on 12/24/2005
at 03:48 PM, co******@probertencyclopaedia.com (Matt Probert) said:
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 13:10:02 GMT, Baho Utot
<on*******@pbyhzohf.ee.pbz> wrote:
Could a Filipino 'be/was/could be' a Jew?
Me thinks we of the wrong color.


Would that be the same color[1] as one of the past presidents of my
congregation?
Don't see why not one can adopt any religion. But traditionally the
Jews are the ancient race of people known as the Israelites.


Traditionally those adopted into a tribe are members of that tribe. If
you convert to Judaism then you are a Jew, regardless of your race or
skin color. I would be very surprised if there were no Jews of
Filipino ancestry, but I can guaranty that there is no religous bar to
Filipinos converting. I can't say whether Baho Utot would want to, or
how his friends, family and neighbors would react, but he would
certainly be welcomed[3] should he choose to assume the burden.

[1] I was somewhat miffed when our local tabloid made a big deal about
his color, which none of us cared about, but did not stress his
age[2], which was a major factor in the election.

[2] He was much younger than previous presidents. Many of us, myself
included, felt that a young president, with young children, would
be more in touch with the concerns of new families and more
effective in drawing new members.

[3] The conversion process does include warnings of what you are
getting into, but those are to ensure informed consent rather
than to be inhospitable to potential converts.

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Dec 25 '05 #26
On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 00:28:15 -0400, "Norman L. DeForest"
<af***@chebucto.ns.ca> posted something that included:
Really? What kind of web hosting did they do back then? Fast and reliable, of course. It was rather expensive, however, as it
used up a lot of carrier pigeons.

I trust that you conformed to RFC 1149, RFC 2321, RFC 2322, RFC 2549
and RFC 4041?


They didn't exist then. At that time, we were compliant with Ye Olde
RFC XIII, YORFC XLIV, and YORFC LXIX, though.

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If we're losing 40-130 species a day,
How come nobody can itemize them?
And why can't fruitflies be one of them?
Dec 25 '05 #27
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:46:38 -0700, in
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html , George Sexton
<gs*****@mhsoftware.com> in
<pa****************************@mhsoftware.com> wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:54:24 -0400, Norman L. DeForest wrote:

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005, George Sexton wrote:
2. an option to use other calendars, especially religious calendars
(Jewish, Islamic, Hindu, Bahá'í, etc.) with appropriate conversion.

(How would you handle a calendar for a company with branches in India,
Israel and Saudi Arabia?)

Well, quite simply I'm guessing they would all use the gregorian calendar.

Re Hindu holidays: Others have said I was silly for targeting churches and
schools because they typically have limited funds. I could just see the
howls of laughter if I targeted India...

I'm not really opposed to dealing with Jewish holidays, but then I have to
do Hebrew support.


Here is a basic clue: stay away from markets you don't understand.
If you haven't done web sites that support Hebrew (or
Arabic) then you have no idea of what you're getting into. For the really
limited size of the Israeli market, I'm not going through the brain damage.


Because, after all, Jews only live in Israel.

[snip]
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Dec 26 '05 #28
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 13:10:02 GMT, in
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html , Baho Utot
<on*******@pbyhzohf.ee.pbz> in
<pa****************************@pbyhzohf.ee.pbz> wrote:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 21:46:44 -0500, MGW shouted Hoy......

[putulin]

Why do you have to do Hebrew? In case you haven't noticed, there are
Jews all over the world (well, except in countries that have
persecuted them to death.)


Come to think of it I have never came across a Jew here, and it is not
because we have persecuted them to death.

Could a Filipino 'be/was/could be' a Jew?
Me thinks we of the wrong color.


Why? There are Jews in China and India and pretty much all of the
world. There were Jews on Columbus's ships and probably on Magellan's
as well.

Anyway, this took all of one google search:

http://www.maven.co.il/synagogues/sy...arch.asp?C=424
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Dec 26 '05 #29
On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 21:13:45 -0500, in
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html , MGW <mg*****@hotmail.com> in
<qd********************************@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 02:20:16 GMT, Paul Ding <la*******@paulding.net>
scrawled:
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 19:04:53 -0500, MGW <mg*****@hotmail.com> posted
something that included:
>> They aren't the only ones. My family has been involved in web hosting
>> since the 1300s....

>Really? What kind of web hosting did they do back then?


Fast and reliable, of course. It was rather expensive, however, as it
used up a lot of carrier pigeons.


How many bytes can one pigeon carry? (for that matter, how many bytes
to eat one pigeon?)


Laden or unladen?

--
Matt Silberstein

Do something today about the Darfur Genocide

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http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org

"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
Dec 26 '05 #30
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:04:19 -0700, in
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html , Jim Moe
<jm***************@sohnen-moe.com> in
<U-******************************@giganews.com> wrote:
George Sexton wrote:

If you view the Month view calendar, in the first day of the week, there
is a "Week xx" link. Click on that to see our week view.

We have a list view that lets you specify a date range, but the calendar
view is limited to one month.

Ah. So you adhere to the month fixation.
Why are calendar makers so obsessed with months? A month is just a
half-assed aggregation of weeks. Weeks are how people work.


Even more, I want to see time revolving around now, because now is all
I have. Then you can let me change the now. Weeks are acceptable I
suppose, but this month fixation is silly.
--
Matt Silberstein

Do something today about the Darfur Genocide

http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org

"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
Dec 26 '05 #31
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:00:02 GMT, in
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html , Baho Utot
<on*******@pbyhzohf.ee.pbz> in
<pa****************************@pbyhzohf.ee.pbz> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 04:46:57 +0000, Matt Silberstein shouted Hoy......


On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 13:10:02 GMT, in
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html , Baho Utot
<on*******@pbyhzohf.ee.pbz> in
<pa****************************@pbyhzohf.ee.pbz> wrote:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 21:46:44 -0500, MGW shouted Hoy......

[putulin]
Why do you have to do Hebrew? In case you haven't noticed, there are
Jews all over the world (well, except in countries that have
persecuted them to death.)

Come to think of it I have never came across a Jew here, and it is not
because we have persecuted them to death.

Could a Filipino 'be/was/could be' a Jew?
Me thinks we of the wrong color.


Why? There are Jews in China and India and pretty much all of the
world. There were Jews on Columbus's ships and probably on Magellan's
as well.

Anyway, this took all of one google search:

http://www.maven.co.il/synagogues/sy...arch.asp?C=424


well that was for Manila, if you were a Jew and here in Mindanao I
doubt that you could get along with the Muslims, MILF and all.


So which is it, have you persecuted them or not? If the MILF has
chased them away that would explain why you have not met one.

--
Matt Silberstein

Do something today about the Darfur Genocide

http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org

"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
Dec 26 '05 #32
On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 21:13:45 -0500, MGW <mg*****@hotmail.com> posted
something that included:
On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 02:20:16 GMT, Paul Ding <la*******@paulding.net>
scrawled:
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 19:04:53 -0500, MGW <mg*****@hotmail.com> posted
something that included:
>> They aren't the only ones. My family has been involved in web hosting
>> since the 1300s....
>Really? What kind of web hosting did they do back then? Fast and reliable, of course. It was rather expensive, however, as it
used up a lot of carrier pigeons.

How many bytes can one pigeon carry?


One kill-a-pigeon.
--
If we're losing 40-130 species a day,
How come nobody can itemize them?
And why can't fruitflies be one of them?
Dec 26 '05 #33
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:40:02 GMT, Baho Utot
<on*******@pbyhzohf.ee.pbz> posted something that included:
Do you know who the MILF are, also NPA and Abu Sayyaf ?


Don't know about the second two, but I get lots of spam about the
MILF.

--
If we're losing 40-130 species a day,
How come nobody can itemize them?
And why can't fruitflies be one of them?
Dec 26 '05 #34
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:40:02 GMT, in
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html , Baho Utot
<on*******@pbyhzohf.ee.pbz> in
<pa****************************@pbyhzohf.ee.pbz> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:06:24 +0000, Matt Silberstein shouted Hoy......


On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:00:02 GMT, in
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html , Baho Utot
<on*******@pbyhzohf.ee.pbz> in
<pa****************************@pbyhzohf.ee.pbz> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 04:46:57 +0000, Matt Silberstein shouted Hoy......

On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 13:10:02 GMT, in
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html , Baho Utot
<on*******@pbyhzohf.ee.pbz> in
<pa****************************@pbyhzohf.ee.pbz> wrote:

>On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 21:46:44 -0500, MGW shouted Hoy......
>
>[putulin]
>
>>
>> Why do you have to do Hebrew? In case you haven't noticed, there are
>> Jews all over the world (well, except in countries that have
>> persecuted them to death.)
>
>Come to think of it I have never came across a Jew here, and it is not
>because we have persecuted them to death.
>
>Could a Filipino 'be/was/could be' a Jew?
>Me thinks we of the wrong color.

Why? There are Jews in China and India and pretty much all of the
world. There were Jews on Columbus's ships and probably on Magellan's
as well.

Anyway, this took all of one google search:

http://www.maven.co.il/synagogues/sy...arch.asp?C=424

well that was for Manila, if you were a Jew and here in Mindanao I
doubt that you could get along with the Muslims, MILF and all.


So which is it, have you persecuted them or not? If the MILF has
chased them away that would explain why you have not met one.


No I have not nor the valid government, Filpinos don't do that.

Do you know who the MILF are, also NPA and Abu Sayyaf ?

If you do then you would know that they do not represent the Philippine
government.


Understood, I withdraw my comment, it was offensive and uncalled for.
Please accept my apology.

--
Matt Silberstein

Do something today about the Darfur Genocide

http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org

"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
Dec 27 '05 #35
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:04:19 -0700, Jim Moe wrote:
George Sexton wrote:

If you view the Month view calendar, in the first day of the week, there
is a "Week xx" link. Click on that to see our week view.

We have a list view that lets you specify a date range, but the calendar
view is limited to one month.

Ah. So you adhere to the month fixation. Why are calendar makers so
obsessed with months? A month is just a
half-assed aggregation of weeks. Weeks are how people work.


Calendar makers are obsessed with the month view because that's what
people are used to, and what people will buy. For any critical mass to
form to shift away from it will require a solution that is superior in
capability while just as easy to use, or only marginally harder to use.

As far as printing goes, you can forget anything larger than a month. Its
hard to get 30 days on a reasonable sized piece of paper. Asking people to
have one view for on-line use, and another for printed is just silly.

Some things are kept not because they are the best, but because they are
good enough.

--
George Sexton
MH Software, Inc. - Home of Connect Daily Web Calendar
http://www.mhsoftware.com/conectdaily.htm

Dec 28 '05 #36
"Norman L. DeForest" <af***@chebucto.ns.ca> writes:
All of the code they give, however, is in LISP[1] so some code conversion
will probably be necessary. See:
http://emr.cs.uiuc.edu/home/reingold...ook/index.html

[1] LISP: (Lots of (Infuriating (Spurious (Parentheses))))


I find it amusing to read this in a newsgroup about HTML[1].

If your text editor doesn't do paren matching and automatic indentation
of Lisp code, it's time to catch up with the 1980s.

[1] HTML: <Horribly><Twisted><iMitation of><Lisp></Lisp></iMitation></Twisted></Horribly>

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Dec 28 '05 #37
And lo, Bruce Lewis didst speak in comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html:
"Norman L. DeForest" <af***@chebucto.ns.ca> writes:
All of the code they give, however, is in LISP[1] so some code
conversion
will probably be necessary. See:
http://emr.cs.uiuc.edu/home/reingold...ook/index.html

[1] LISP: (Lots of (Infuriating (Spurious (Parentheses))))


I find it amusing to read this in a newsgroup about HTML[1].

If your text editor doesn't do paren matching and automatic indentation
of Lisp code, it's time to catch up with the 1980s.


I have never used[1] an editor which did "paren matching" or automatic
indentation, for LISP or otherwise. YMMV, but I consider those things,
along with syntax highlighting, a poor excuse for not learning proper code
blocking and commenting for readability.

I do just fine without these things.

Grey

[1] Other than giving them a trial spin at the recommendation of
over-excited programmer friends.

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Dec 28 '05 #38
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:50:02 GMT, Baho Utot
<on*******@pbyhzohf.ee.pbz> posted something that included:
Don't know about the second two, but I get lots of spam about the
MILF.
No you don't they are no interested in spam.
MILF = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moro_Is...beration_Front


That's not the kind of MILF I get spam about.
www.milf-seeker-search.com
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How come nobody can itemize them?
And why can't fruitflies be one of them?
Dec 29 '05 #39

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