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Is there a listing of serif fonts and san-serif fonts
somewhere?

Regards,
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Jul 20 '05 #1
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Alan Illeman wrote:
Is there a listing of serif fonts and san-serif fonts
somewhere?


A complete one? No.

What purpose did you have in mind for such a list?

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Jul 20 '05 #2

"David Dorward" <do*****@yahoo. com> wrote in message
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Alan Illeman wrote:
Is there a listing of serif fonts and san-serif fonts
somewhere?


A complete one? No.

What purpose did you have in mind for such a list?

--
David Dorward <http://blog.dorward.me .uk/> <http://dorward.me.uk/>
Home is where the ~/.bashrc is


body {
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif;
....
}

I copied this from someone, but I don't know if e.g. Arial is
of the "sans-serif" family of fonts, and I don't know what
alternatives I could use, if I wished to.

Alan
Jul 20 '05 #3
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:19:55 -0400, Alan Illeman <il******@surfb est.net>
wrote:

"David Dorward" <do*****@yahoo. com> wrote in message
news:cf******** ***********@new s.demon.co.uk.. .
Alan Illeman wrote:
> Is there a listing of serif fonts and san-serif fonts
> somewhere?


A complete one? No.

What purpose did you have in mind for such a list?

body {
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif;
....
}

I copied this from someone, but I don't know if e.g. Arial is
of the "sans-serif" family of fonts, and I don't know what
alternatives I could use, if I wished to.


Arial and Helvetica are sans-serif. Verdana, however, is unsuited for
general body text unless you like goofy-big letters. I'd omit Verdana and
the above is fine.
Jul 20 '05 #4

"Neal" <ne*****@yahoo. com> wrote in message
news:op******** ******@news.ind ividual.net...
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:19:55 -0400, Alan Illeman <il******@surfb est.net>
wrote:

"David Dorward" <do*****@yahoo. com> wrote in message
news:cf******** ***********@new s.demon.co.uk.. .
Alan Illeman wrote:

> Is there a listing of serif fonts and san-serif fonts
> somewhere?

A complete one? No.

What purpose did you have in mind for such a list?

body {
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif;
....
}

I copied this from someone, but I don't know if e.g. Arial is
of the "sans-serif" family of fonts, and I don't know what
alternatives I could use, if I wished to.


Arial and Helvetica are sans-serif. Verdana, however, is unsuited for
general body text unless you like goofy-big letters. I'd omit Verdana and
the above is fine.


Thanks, but what other alternative sans-serif fonts are usable?
Jul 20 '05 #5
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:30:26 -0400, Alan Illeman <il******@surfb est.net>
wrote:

"Neal" <ne*****@yahoo. com> wrote in message
news:op******** ******@news.ind ividual.net...
Arial and Helvetica are sans-serif. Verdana, however, is unsuited for
general body text unless you like goofy-big letters. I'd omit Verdana
and
the above is fine.


Thanks, but what other alternative sans-serif fonts are usable?

I'm waiting for someone who can provide more detail than I have available,
but seriously, there's not much more you can count on, aside from the
common variants like Arial Bold and such.

Realize that most browsers have as their default sans-serif font either
Arial or Helvetica anyhow. The few remaining browsers are probably
misconfigured. Add to this the fact that the chances another font is
actually on the user's computer are low, and the result is that whatever
you specify, the end result for many users is Arial or Helvetica anyhow.
Jul 20 '05 #6
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Alan Illeman wrote:
Thanks, but what other alternative sans-serif fonts are usable?


The one that the user has purchased, installed and configured on their
browser for preference. You don't, in general, know what that is.

Which is just the one which likely *won't* get used if you insist on
specifying some laundry list of Microsoft lowest-common font families.
Unless the user has gone to the trouble of writing an !important
user stylesheet...

It's a hard choice to make. IMNSHO it depends whether you think
you're writing for discerning readers, or trying to appeal to the
unthinking masses. There's a market for either (you might be able to
work out which I prefer, but that's by the by).

Oh, and http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/verdana.html "Why you
should avoid Verdana".
Jul 20 '05 #7
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:30:26 -0400, Alan Illeman wrote:
Thanks, but what other alternative sans-serif fonts are usable?


OK. assuming you follow the (sensible) advice
to drop Verdana from the list, we have..

Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;

That must cover (at a crude guess) 99% of
available browsers, the browsers that would have
either Arial (read Windows) or Helvetica (read Mac?)
or 'a default sans-serif' font defined..

What more do you want?

If the user fails to fall into any of those categories,
they are probably using IE4 and expect to see 'Times New Roman'
consistently.

Do not make the mistake (that I myself have
fallen into) of assuming your visitor gives a toss
about the font you use to display your site...

Odds on, it matters far more to the designer,
(AKA 'not at all, really') than the visitor..

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Jul 20 '05 #8
Alan Illeman wrote:
I copied this from someone, but I don't know if e.g. Arial is
of the "sans-serif" family of fonts, and I don't know what
alternatives I could use, if I wished to.


Take a look at the descriptions of the font families in the specification.

http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/fonts.html...-font-families

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David Dorward <http://blog.dorward.me .uk/> <http://dorward.me.uk/>
Home is where the ~/.bashrc is
Jul 20 '05 #9

"Alan Illeman" <il******@surfb est.net> wrote in message
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"Neal" <ne*****@yahoo. com> wrote in message
news:op******** ******@news.ind ividual.net...
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:19:55 -0400, Alan Illeman <il******@surfb est.net>
wrote:

"David Dorward" <do*****@yahoo. com> wrote in message
news:cf******** ***********@new s.demon.co.uk.. .
> Alan Illeman wrote:
>
> > Is there a listing of serif fonts and san-serif fonts
> > somewhere?
>
> A complete one? No.
>
> What purpose did you have in mind for such a list?
body {
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif;
....
}

I copied this from someone, but I don't know if e.g. Arial is
of the "sans-serif" family of fonts, and I don't know what
alternatives I could use, if I wished to.


Arial and Helvetica are sans-serif. Verdana, however, is unsuited for
general body text unless you like goofy-big letters. I'd omit Verdana and the above is fine.


Thanks, but what other alternative sans-serif fonts are usable?


Thanks for the illuminating replies.
Jul 20 '05 #10

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