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Hello,
my stylesheet shows different colors for visited, active and hovered links.
It works fine in IE 6, but in Opera 7 the color for the active link (red
background) is never shown. How to explain this?
Here is my code: (code optimization will be done later)

1. The HTML file
<!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<title>Navigati onsframe</title>
<link rel="stylesheet " type="text/css" href="css/sew1.css">
</head>
<body style="backgrou nd-color:#D4D0C8">
<div align="center"> <p class="menutitl e">Inhalt</p>
<div class="menu01">
<hr width="170px" >
<a class="menu01" href="main.html " target="main">S tartseite</a>
<hr width="170px" >
<a class="menu01" href="Archivsei te.html" target="main">: : Archive</a>
<hr width="170px" >
<a class="menu01" href="Meinungss eite.html" target="main">M einungsseite</a>
<hr width="170px" >
<a class="menu01" href="Fotoseite .html" target="main">F otoseite</a>
<hr width="170px" >
</div><!-- class menutitle -->
</div><!-- align left -->
</body>
</html>

2. The CSS file:

a.menu01:link{
display:block;
width:170px;
text-decoration:none ;
text-align:left;
font:14px arial;
padding:2px 2px 2px 0;
margin:2px 1px 1px 1px;
border:1px white;
border-top-style:none;
border-bottom-style:none;
border-left-style:none;
border-right-style:none;
color:white;
background:grey
}
a.menu01:visite d{
display:block;
width:170px;
text-decoration:none ;
text-align:left;
font:14px arial;
padding:2px 2px 2px 0;
margin:2px 1px 1px 1px;
border:1px white;
border-top-style:none;
border-bottom-style:none;
border-left-style:none;
border-right-style:none;
color:white;
background:blue
}
a.menu01:active {
display:block;
width:170px;
text-decoration:none ;
text-align:left;
font:14px arial;
padding:2px 2px 2px 0;
margin:2px 1px 1px 1px;
border:1px white;
border-top-style:none;
border-bottom-style:none;
border-left-style:none;
border-right-style:none;
color:white;
background:red
}
a.menu01:hover {
display:block;
width:170px;
text-decoration:none ;
text-align:left;
font:14px arial;
padding:2px 2px 2px 0;
margin:2px 1px 1px 1px;
border:1px white;
border-top-style:none;
border-bottom-style:none;
border-left-style:none;
border-right-style:none;
color:white;
background:gree n
}

thanks for helping
Peter

Jul 20 '05
36 3897
On Sun, 9 May 2004 16:19:43 +0100, Dr John Stockton
<sp**@merlyn.de mon.co.uk> wrote:
I've been reading the group for a little while, and that is the first
reference to a FAQ that I recall.

Is it posted here on a regular basis? Otherwise, how should one find
it?


I don't see it posted as often as would be ideal, but search Google for
'FAQ group:comp.info systems.www.aut horing.styleshe ets' and it'll pop up in
less than a minute.

Most ng's have FAQs, though not all post it regularly. However, they are
rather easy to locate as I have shown above.
Jul 20 '05 #11
Dr John Stockton wrote:
Brian wrote:
(This is answered in the faq.
I've been reading the group for a little while, and that is the first
reference to a FAQ that I recall.

Is it posted here on a regular basis?


A Google search shows the most recent posting of the faq in Feb., quite
some time ago.
Otherwise, how should one find it?


The same way you find anything on the 'net: with Google.

http://www.google.com/search?q=ciwas%20faq

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http://www.tsmchughs.com/
Jul 20 '05 #12
JRS: In article <op************ **@news.individ ual.net>, seen in
news:comp.infos ystems.www.authoring.stylesheets, Neal
<ne*****@yahoo. com> posted at Sun, 9 May 2004 18:14:02 :
On Sun, 9 May 2004 16:19:43 +0100, Dr John Stockton
<sp**@merlyn.d emon.co.uk> wrote:
I've been reading the group for a little while, and that is the first
reference to a FAQ that I recall.

Is it posted here on a regular basis? Otherwise, how should one find
it?

I don't see it posted as often as would be ideal, but search Google for
'FAQ group:comp.info systems.www.aut horing.styleshe ets' and it'll pop up in
less than a minute.


That's all very well; but I would never have thought to include
"group:".

In at least one case, a Web search for a newsgroup FAQ will find, with a
high ranking, that which was the newsgroup FAQ five years ago; there is
merit remaining in it, but it is not the current, maintained mini-FAQ.

Most ng's have FAQs, though not all post it regularly.
In my experience, most newsgroups do not have FAQs, though there may be
FAQs on the topics of most groups; YMMV. IMHO, a FAQ cannot properly be
considered to be a newsgroup FAQ unless it is posted monthly or more
often to the group, in full or in abstract, or it is frequently cited in
the group, with its location; there can thereby be a feeling of
collective responsibility for the accuracy and currency of its contents.

However, they are
rather easy to locate as I have shown above.


But you have not answered the implicit question "where is it?". Those
with off-line newsreaders appreciate being given a URL; that is, after
all, what URLs are for.

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Jul 20 '05 #13
Dr John Stockton wrote:
JRS: Neal:
Dr John Stockton wrote:
that is the first reference to a FAQ that I recall.

how should one find it?
search Google for 'FAQ
group:comp.info systems.www.aut horing.styleshe ets' and it'll pop up
in less than a minute.


That's all very well; but I would never have thought to include
"group:".


But you wouldn't have to.

http://www.google.com/search?q=ciwas%20faq
In at least one case, a Web search for a newsgroup FAQ will find,
with a high ranking, that which was the newsgroup FAQ five years ago;
there is merit remaining in it, but it is not the current,
maintained mini-FAQ.
If the op's question was already answered in the faq -- even one that is
5 years old -- doesn't it make sense to mention it? I'd rather get an
answer almost immediately on the web than wait for a response on usenet.
you have not answered the implicit question "where is it?". Those
with off-line newsreaders appreciate being given a URL; that is,
after all, what URLs are for.


STW. It's the first link. And question 9 in that first link answers the
op's question.

--
Brian (remove "invalid" from my address to email me)
http://www.tsmchughs.com/
Jul 20 '05 #14
JRS: In article <10************ *@corp.supernew s.com>, seen in
news:comp.infos ystems.www.authoring.stylesheets, Brian <usenet3@juliet re
mblay.com.inval id> posted at Mon, 10 May 2004 15:47:29 :
Dr John Stockton wrote:
JRS: Neal:

Dr John Stockton wrote:

that is the first reference to a FAQ that I recall.

how should one find it?

search Google for 'FAQ
group:comp.info systems.www.aut horing.styleshe ets' and it'll pop up
in less than a minute.


That's all very well; but I would never have thought to include
"group:".


But you wouldn't have to.

http://www.google.com/search?q=ciwas%20faq


But that's a different search to the one Neal advised. Why should a
recent arrival be expected to think of using an acronym?

In at least one case, a Web search for a newsgroup FAQ will find,
with a high ranking, that which was the newsgroup FAQ five years ago;
there is merit remaining in it, but it is not the current,
maintained mini-FAQ.


If the op's question was already answered in the faq -- even one that is
5 years old -- doesn't it make sense to mention it? I'd rather get an
answer almost immediately on the web than wait for a response on usenet.


True; but what if it is mentioned only in the more recent versions, or
there is a correction to the answer?

If one is seeking the FAQ of a newsgroup, one wants, initially, the
latest version, and hopes that it is currently maintained.

you have not answered the implicit question "where is it?". Those
with off-line newsreaders appreciate being given a URL; that is,
after all, what URLs are for.


STW. It's the first link. And question 9 in that first link answers the
op's question.


But you still have not given the URL, although you have evidently seen
it.

Remember that a dial-up user only has intermittent Web access.

ISTM that this newsgroup no longer has an effective newsgroup FAQ,
although in the past it may well have had.

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Jul 20 '05 #15
Dr John Stockton wrote:
JRS: In article <10************ *@corp.supernew s.com>, seen in
news:comp.infos ystems.www.authoring.stylesheets, Brian <usenet3@juliet re
mblay.com.inval id> posted at Mon, 10 May 2004 15:47:29 :
Dr John Stockton wrote:
JRS: Neal:
Dr John Stockton wrote:

> that is the first reference to a FAQ that I recall.
>
> how should one find it?

search Google for 'FAQ
group:comp.info systems.www.aut horing.styleshe ets' and it'll pop up
in less than a minute.

That's all very well; but I would never have thought to include
"group:".


But you wouldn't have to.

http://www.google.com/search?q=ciwas%20faq


But that's a different search to the one Neal advised. Why should a
recent arrival be expected to think of using an acronym?


well

http://gogle.de/search?q=comp.infosy...lesheets%20faq
If the op's question was already answered in the faq -- even one that is
5 years old -- doesn't it make sense to mention it? I'd rather get an
answer almost immediately on the web than wait for a response on usenet.


True; but what if it is mentioned only in the more recent versions, or
there is a correction to the answer?


What more recent version?
If one is seeking the FAQ of a newsgroup, one wants, initially, the
latest version, and hopes that it is currently maintained.
AFAIK, that is the latest version.
STW. It's the first link. And question 9 in that first link answers the
op's question.


But you still have not given the URL, although you have evidently seen
it.


http://css.nu/faq/ciwas-mFAQ.html
http://css.nu/faq/ciwas-aFAQ.html
Remember that a dial-up user only has intermittent Web access.
WEll, remember that dial-up is not excuse.
ISTM that this newsgroup no longer has an effective newsgroup FAQ,
although in the past it may well have had.


Well, it's updated rarely, and posted almost as rarely... Fortunately
maintainer had good policy on what to take in FAQ, so it is still quite
relevant

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Jul 20 '05 #16
Dr John Stockton wrote:
Brian:
Dr John Stockton wrote:
Neal:
search Google for 'FAQ
group:comp.info systems.www.aut horing.styleshe ets'

That's all very well; but I would never have thought to include
"group:".
But you wouldn't have to.

http://www.google.com/search?q=ciwas%20faq


But that's a different search to the one Neal advised. Why should a
recent arrival be expected to think of using an acronym?


Are you for real?

http://www.google.com/search?q=comp....lesheets%20faq

You should have tried that yourself before making foolish arguments
about acronyms.
True; but what if it is mentioned only in the more recent versions,
or there is a correction to the answer?
What if, what if, what if. The point is not what if, but what *is*. The
answer the op needed is in the faq. If you ask me, you're just trolling
now. The OP didn't complain that he couldn't find the faq. Why are you?
But you still have not given the URL, although you have evidently
seen it.


Actually, among several posters in this thread, we've provided *several*
trivial Google searches to find the faq. If you can't get to the faq
using one of the suggested searches, too bad. In short, STFW.

--
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http://www.tsmchughs.com/
Jul 20 '05 #17
JRS: In article <10************ *@corp.supernew s.com>, seen in
news:comp.infos ystems.www.authoring.stylesheets, Brian <usenet3@juliet re
mblay.com.inval id> posted at Tue, 11 May 2004 16:36:59 :
The OP didn't complain that he couldn't find the faq. Why are you?


Because I was not attempting to assist the OP directly, but was
addressing in my first paragraph the unsatisfactory nature of part of
your reply and in my second the lack of information in the newsgroup
about what some people claim to be the FAQ of the newsgroup.

Judging by what appears to be a copy of its most recent posting, it is
no longer a maintained FAQ :
Posting-Frequency: twice a week (mondays and thursdays)
Last-modified: March 10, 2001
and Sec 7 has no mention of later browsers.

You yourself observed that the OP had apparently not used the FAQ; and
so he had probably not found it, whether or not he had thought of
seeking it. But advising him to read the FAQ did not appear to help
him; and I cannot see which of the nine sections, except maybe Sec 5,
you might have thought would be helpful. You might, indeed, even have
been inadvertently thinking of a different FAQ.

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Jul 20 '05 #18
Dr John Stockton wrote:
Because I was not attempting to assist the OP directly, but was
addressing in my first paragraph the unsatisfactory nature of part of
your reply and in my second the lack of information in the newsgroup
about what some people claim to be the FAQ of the newsgroup.
Read: "I was trolling. And I was getting hits, too."

So good for you.
I cannot see which of the nine sections, except maybe Sec 5, you
might have thought would be helpful.
http://css.nu/faq/ciwas-aFAQ.html
(first hit for Google search of "ciwas faq")
Question 9 is directly on point:

"Why is it my ':hover' declaration for links does not work ?"

Heck, just for you, here's the fragment id link where you'll find the
answer:

http://css.nu/faq/ciwas-aFAQ.html#QA09
You might, indeed, even have been inadvertently thinking of a
different FAQ.


No, but perhaps you were.

Bye.

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http://www.tsmchughs.com/
Jul 20 '05 #19
JRS: In article <10************ *@corp.supernew s.com>, seen in
news:comp.infos ystems.www.authoring.stylesheets, Brian <usenet3@juliet re
mblay.com.inval id> posted at Wed, 12 May 2004 13:21:08 :

http://css.nu/faq/ciwas-aFAQ.html
(first hit for Google search of "ciwas faq")
Question 9 is directly on point:

"Why is it my ':hover' declaration for links does not work ?"
That is not in what I so far have found.

Heck, just for you, here's the fragment id link where you'll find the
answer:

http://css.nu/faq/ciwas-aFAQ.html#QA09

You might, indeed, even have been inadvertently thinking of a
different FAQ.


No, but perhaps you were.

Indeed. By searching for the FAQ, I found a document headed "comp.infos
ystems.www.authoring.stylesheets FAQ v1.95" which I took to be the FAQ.

In searching for the string "FAQ" in it, I now find that it refers to
itself both as FAQ and as meta-FAQ, and that there is one link to
"aFAQ", buried in the centre of Section 5.

A meta-FAQ should never describe itself as a FAQ, and should have
_conspicuous_ links to any corresponding true FAQ.

Moreover, it is the meta-FAQ which is stored in /www.faqs.org/ (also
found by search).

The situation is therefore most unsatisfactory, and the meta-FAQ needs
update to make the distinction clear at _all_ points within it,
including the news header, which includes
Archive-name: www/stylesheets/newsgroup-faq

The actual FAQ may well need similar attention.

Since a newsgroup FAQ should be responsive at least to what is
currently, rather than historically, asked in the newsgroup, it will be
of interest to see whether the maintainer sees these remarks and posts a
clarified version.
You have provided clear evidence supporting my belief that, whenever a
FAQ is cited as a source of advice, there is a need for one or both of
(a) an authoritative, direct, tested URL, (b) a statement like "recently
posted here".

ISTM that it would help if a few of the regulars were to include the
current FAQ URL in their applicable sig files.

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