Hello,
I noticed that IE seems to put some kind of default margins on <li> elements
and the only way to get rid of them seems to be asigning negative margins.
To make things worse, IE5 and IE6 seem to have different defaults. Is there
an elegant way to remove these stupid margins?
Greetings,
Thomas
Jul 20 '05
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It seems "Thomas Mlynarczyk" wrote in
comp.infosystem s. www.authoring.stylesheets in article
<bu************ *@news.t-online.com>: Also sprach Stan Brown:
Besides different versions of IE, different versions of other
browsers do this still differently. Fortunately, there's help:
http://devedge.netscape.com/viewsour...2/list-indent/
Thanks for the link, but there they talk about list indentation (thus, a
"horizontal matter"), while my problem relates to a vertical space.
Gee, if only you had said so in your original article:Message-ID: <bt************ *@news.t-online.com>
You could have saved us both some wasted time.
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validator: http://validator.w3.org/
CSS 2 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/
2.1 changes: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/changes.html
validator: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/
Stephen Poley wrote:
[snip] The number of NN4 users is now so low (3% for my site, and most sites
are reporting less than that) that it isn't really worth worrying
about cosmetic details for them.
Does anywhere reliable track such statistics using some mechanism which
makes them meaningful in a web wide context?
I recently needed to justify use of CSS in a project & although I could
clarify support on a per browser basis, I was unable to quote usage
levels for the browsers themselves.
Cheers.
--
Michael
m r o z a t u k g a t e w a y d o t n e t
"Michael Rozdoba" <mr**@nowhere.i nvalid> wrote in message
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| Stephen Poley wrote:
....
| > The number of NN4 users is now so low (3% for my site, and
most sites
| > are reporting less than that) that it isn't really worth
worrying
| > about cosmetic details for them.
|
| Does anywhere reliable track such statistics using some
mechanism which
| makes them meaningful in a web wide context?
I have trouble taking such statistics seriously.
E.G. A NN4 user comes to a page once
and sees a blank screen/gibberish/whatever.
They leave and do not come back.
An IE 6 user comes to the page, likes it so
much they bookmark it and visit 9 times.
(or tell nine friends about it)
The stats would indicate IE6 90%, NN4 10%.
Wouldn't they?
My point being that a site showing low stats for
NN4 may simply be unuseable in that browser.
( ..I hope I have not offended you deeply in the
event that you went to extraodrinary lengths to
ensure your pages _were_ usable by NN4!
And yes, that would blow my argument out
of the water in this case.. )
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In article <ox************ *****@news-server.bigpond. net.au>, andrew64
@bigNOSPAMpond. com enlightened us with...
The stats would indicate IE6 90%, NN4 10%.
Wouldn't they?
My point being that a site showing low stats for
NN4 may simply be unuseable in that browser.
I think all pages should be unusable in that POS so people upgrade.
/half-kidding and tired of supporting the darn thing
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Andrew Thompson wrote:
[browser usage stats]
I have trouble taking such statistics seriously.
E.G. A NN4 user comes to a page once and sees a blank
screen/gibberish/whatever. They leave and do not come back. An IE 6
user comes to the page, likes it so much they bookmark it and visit 9
times. (or tell nine friends about it)
The stats would indicate IE6 90%, NN4 10%. Wouldn't they?
I realise that - unless some workaround could be found tracking users or
recording browsers for a given site over a small period of time -
perhaps randomising the sites checked.
It would all be hacky & difficult to implement, but I'd have thought
someone must have made a moderately educated guess at stats.
How about accesses to browser upgrade sites or other resources?
My point being that a site showing low stats for NN4 may simply be
unuseable in that browser.
( ..I hope I have not offended you deeply in the event that you went
to extraodrinary lengths to ensure your pages _were_ usable by NN4!
And yes, that would blow my argument out of the water in this case..
)
Terribly; I shall never speak to you again. Just as well this is written
really :)
As to the above question, no. I'm just getting into web design & wanted
some evidence to back my intentions up.
--
Michael
m r o z a t u k g a t e w a y d o t n e t
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:08:52 GMT, "Andrew Thompson"
<an******@bigNO SPAMpond.com> wrote: "Michael Rozdoba" <mr**@nowhere.i nvalid> wrote in message
news:40******* **************@ lovejoy.zen.co. uk...
| Stephen Poley wrote:
...
| > The number of NN4 users is now so low (3% for my site, and
most sites
| > are reporting less than that) that it isn't really worth
worrying
| > about cosmetic details for them.
|
| Does anywhere reliable track such statistics using some
mechanism which
| makes them meaningful in a web wide context?
I have trouble taking such statistics seriously.
E.G. A NN4 user comes to a page once
and sees a blank screen/gibberish/whatever.
They leave and do not come back.
An IE 6 user comes to the page, likes it so
much they bookmark it and visit 9 times.
Well indeed, and I suspect that the NN4 figures for my site are higher
than many, precisely because I do try to keep it readable for NN4. But
most of my CSS is now hidden from NN4, so its users get a somewhat
inelegant page. (Admittedly I don't check the NN4 appearance as often as
I used to, but I think most pages are still pretty much OK.)
--
Stephen Poley http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/
"Stephen Poley" <sb************ ******@xs4all.n l> wrote in message
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| On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:08:52 GMT, "Andrew Thompson"
| <an******@bigNO SPAMpond.com> wrote:
| >E.G. A NN4 user comes to a page once
| >and sees a blank screen/gibberish/whatever.
| >They leave and do not come back.
....
| Well indeed, and I suspect that the NN4 figures for my site are
higher
| than many, precisely because I do try to keep it readable for
NN4. But
| most of my CSS is now hidden from NN4, so its users get a
somewhat
| inelegant page. (Admittedly I don't check the NN4 appearance as
often as
| I used to, but I think most pages are still pretty much OK.)
I just did, and yes, they are.
[ subtract 15 or so from the NN4 numbers as
being down to 'just curious' ;-) ]
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Andrew Thompson
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