I run a website for my very extended family. The site is not a static one,
and pages are frequently added and changed. I constructed it by myself, but
I can best be described as a casual and unsophisticated web designer.
Because I have always had difficulty in producing dashes on my pages, I
generally use double hyphens instead. Books that I possess or have seen on
HTML tell me that I could make e.g. an em-dash by using the escape sequence
(without the quotes) "&emdash;", but this is displayed *literally* on
browsers, not as an em-dash. A friend has told me now that I can make the
desired dashes with the strings "–" and "—" for en- and em-dashes
respectively, and sure enough this works.
These strings are very unintuitive (which is an understatement) ; there is no
obvious way to form a mnemonic to remember them. Why do books tell me the
easily remembered strings I have mentioned above? Has the spec changed? When
and why?
More importantly, is there a list somewhere on the Net that I could
download, and that would list all the other similar strings for non-ASCII
characters: quotes, spaces, diacritics, etc.?
--
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Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel
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23  7177 
Stan Goodman: Books that I possess or have seen on
HTML tell me that I could make e.g. an em-dash by using the escape sequence
(without the quotes) "&emdash;", but this is displayed *literally* on
browsers, not as an em-dash. A friend has told me now that I can make the
desired dashes with the strings "–" and "—" for en- and em-dashes
respectively, and sure enough this works.
It should be "mdash" (not "emdash"). Either your books are crap, or you
should get new glasses.
More importantly, is there a list somewhere on the Net that I could
download, and that would list all the other similar strings for non-ASCII
characters: quotes, spaces, diacritics, etc.?
Try the HTML 4.01 specification:
<URL:http://www.w3.org/TR/html40/sgml/entities.html>
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Bertilo Wennergren <be******@gmx.n et> <http://www.bertilow.co m>
Stan Goodman wrote: Books that I possess or have seen on
HTML tell me that I could make e.g. an em-dash by using the escape sequence
(without the quotes) "&emdash;", but this is displayed *literally* on
browsers, not as an em-dash. A friend has told me now that I can make the
desired dashes with the strings "–" and "—" for en- and em-dashes
respectively, and sure enough this works.
Bertilo Wennergren <be******@gmx.n et> wrote: It should be "mdash" (not "emdash"). Either your books are crap, or you
should get new glasses.
To be fair, HTML 3.0 (RIP) specified &endash; and &emdash; rather than the
– and — specified by HTML 4.x and implemented by modern
browsers.
More importantly, is there a list somewhere on the Net that I could
download, and that would list all the other similar strings for non-ASCII
characters: quotes, spaces, diacritics, etc.?
Try the HTML 4.01 specification:
<URL:http://www.w3.org/TR/html40/sgml/entities.html>
The situation is complicated by browser support, or lack thereof.
There are (old, obsolete) browsers that display — properly, but don't
display — properly. So by using — instead of —, you
improve the situation for readers using those browsers.
There are other (older, more obsolete) browsers that display neither
— nor — properly. When the character name is displayed "as is"
by such browsers, "mdash" might be more sensible than "#8212", and by using
— instead of —, you might improve the situation for readers
using those browsers.
See also http://www.htmlhelp.com/faq/html/bas...l#special-char
--
Darin McGrew, mc****@stanford alumni.org, http://www.rahul.net/mcgrew/
Web Design Group, da***@htmlhelp. com, http://www.HTMLHelp.com/
"Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it."
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 00:59:46 +0100, Bertilo Wennergren <be******@gmx.n et>
wrote: It should be "mdash" (not "emdash").
This is true.
Either your books are crap, or you
should get new glasses.
This is insulting, and for no purpose. More importantly, is there a list somewhere on the Net that I could
download, and that would list all the other similar strings for
non-ASCII
characters: quotes, spaces, diacritics, etc.?
Try the HTML 4.01 specification:
<URL:http://www.w3.org/TR/html40/sgml/entities.html>
I'll also give this very comprehensive link: http://www.pemberley.com/janeinfo/latin1.html
Neal: On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 00:59:46 +0100, Bertilo Wennergren <be******@gmx.n et>
wrote: It should be "mdash" (not "emdash"). This is true.
Either your books are crap, or you should get new glasses.
This is insulting, and for no purpose.
Sorry, I didn't mean to insult. It was a bad joke. I regret it.
--
Bertilo Wennergren <be******@gmx.n et> <http://www.bertilow.co m>
On 23 Feb 2004 23:31:11 GMT, "Stan Goodman" <SP*********@ha shkedim.com>
wrote: Because I have always had difficulty in producing dashes on my pages, I
generally use double hyphens instead. Books that I possess or have seen on
HTML tell me that I could make e.g. an em-dash by using the escape sequence
(without the quotes) "&emdash;", but this is displayed *literally* on
browsers, not as an em-dash. A friend has told me now that I can make the
desired dashes with the strings "–" and "—" for en- and em-dashes
respectively , and sure enough this works.
These strings are very unintuitive (which is an understatement) ; there is no
obvious way to form a mnemonic to remember them. Why do books tell me the
easily remembered strings I have mentioned above? Has the spec changed? When
and why?
To what others have said, I would add:
- At least the commoner characters are supported in the mnemonic form
(character entity reference) by most/all browsers newer than Netscape 4.
- I use a couple of sed scripts to produce these characters myself. They
are available on my site if you'd like to try them: http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmat...er_quotes.html
--
Stephen Poley http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/
On 23 Feb 2004, Stan Goodman wrote: A friend has told me now that I can make the
desired dashes with the strings "–" and "—" for en- and em-dashes
respectively, and sure enough this works.
In addition to the other answers, see also
<http://ppewww.ph.gla.a c.uk/~flavell/charset/checklist.html# NoteUTF>
More importantly, is there a list somewhere on the Net that I could
download, and that would list all the other similar strings for non-ASCII
characters: quotes, spaces, diacritics, etc.?
For example <http://www.unics.uni-hannover.de/nhtcapri/multilingual2.h tml>
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 23:59:46 UTC, Bertilo Wennergren <be******@gmx.n et>
opined: Stan Goodman:
Books that I possess or have seen on
HTML tell me that I could make e.g. an em-dash by using the escape sequence
(without the quotes) "&emdash;", but this is displayed *literally* on
browsers, not as an em-dash. A friend has told me now that I can make the
desired dashes with the strings "–" and "—" for en- and em-dashes
respectively, and sure enough this works.
It should be "mdash" (not "emdash"). Either your books are crap, or you
should get new glasses.
More importantly, is there a list somewhere on the Net that I could
download, and that would list all the other similar strings for non-ASCII
characters: quotes, spaces, diacritics, etc.?
Try the HTML 4.01 specification:
<URL:http://www.w3.org/TR/html40/sgml/entities.html>
Thank you,
--
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel
Saddam is gone. Ceterum, censeo Arafat esse delendum.
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 01:06:53 UTC, Darin McGrew <mc****@stanfor dalumni.org>
opined: Stan Goodman wrote: Books that I possess or have seen on
HTML tell me that I could make e.g. an em-dash by using the escape sequence
(without the quotes) "&emdash;", but this is displayed *literally* on
browsers, not as an em-dash. A friend has told me now that I can make the
desired dashes with the strings "–" and "—" for en- and em-dashes
respectively, and sure enough this works.
Bertilo Wennergren <be******@gmx.n et> wrote: It should be "mdash" (not "emdash"). Either your books are crap, or you
should get new glasses.
To be fair, HTML 3.0 (RIP) specified &endash; and &emdash; rather than the
– and — specified by HTML 4.x and implemented by modern
browsers.
More importantly, is there a list somewhere on the Net that I could
download, and that would list all the other similar strings for non-ASCII
characters: quotes, spaces, diacritics, etc.?
Try the HTML 4.01 specification:
<URL:http://www.w3.org/TR/html40/sgml/entities.html>
The situation is complicated by browser support, or lack thereof.
There are (old, obsolete) browsers that display — properly, but don't
display — properly. So by using — instead of —, you
improve the situation for readers using those browsers.
There are other (older, more obsolete) browsers that display neither
— nor — properly. When the character name is displayed "as is"
by such browsers, "mdash" might be more sensible than "#8212", and by using
— instead of —, you might improve the situation for readers
using those browsers.
See also http://www.htmlhelp.com/faq/html/bas...l#special-char
I am grateful to you for your fuller (and, incidentally, more temperate)
explanation of the situation. Evidently, the book most readily available to
me may not be actual crap, but merely obsolete (HTML v3.2), and that I still
do not need glasses. A reading of my query will show that a change in the
specification was exactly what I was asking about.
--
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel
Saddam is gone. Ceterum, censeo Arafat esse delendum.
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 10:42:28 UTC, Bertilo Wennergren <be******@gmx.n et>
opined: Neal:
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 00:59:46 +0100, Bertilo Wennergren <be******@gmx.n et>
wrote: It should be "mdash" (not "emdash").
This is true.
Either your books are crap, or you should get new glasses.
This is insulting, and for no purpose.
Sorry, I didn't mean to insult. It was a bad joke. I regret it.
All is forgiven.
--
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
Israel
Saddam is gone. Ceterum, censeo Arafat esse delendum.
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