IE6 centering text - unwanted

[Vorpal Chortler]

I've got a web customer complaining about centered text when it's not
supposed to be. I just looked over at browsercam and it only appears on
Win IE 6 - Nothing else, EVERYTHING else is justified left as it should
be.

I'm using primitive CSS1 AND tables for the site.

The top page is at http://www.geocities.com/brigidregina/index.html

The CSS lives at
http://www.geocities.com/brigidregin...urselffree.css

If you know what to do, please click email too.

thanks

[Rijk van Geijtenbeek]

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:24:40 GMT, Vorpal Chortler
<vo****@phreake r.net.invalid> wrote:

I've got a web customer complaining about centered text when it's not
supposed to be. I just looked over at browsercam and it only appears on
Win IE 6 - Nothing else, EVERYTHING else is justified left as it should
be.

I'm using primitive CSS1 AND tables for the site.

The top page is at http://www.geocities.com/brigidregina/index.html

The CSS lives at
http://www.geocities.com/brigidregin...urselffree.css

If you know what to do, please click email too.

thanks

You've got a lot of <DIV align=center> in your code, it's not clear to me
which ones you want honored and which you don't. But you use a Doctype
that triggers 'Standards mode' rendering in MSIE 6 (and Opera 7 BTW), and
that means that an orthodox interpretation is used: the content of the
enclosed tables is centered, not the tables themselves. The latter is
hardly useful BTW--why center tables that are set to 98% and 100% widths?

--
Rijk van Geijtenbeek

The Web is a procrastination apparatus:
It can absorb as much time as is required to ensure that you won't get any
real work done. - J.Nielsen

[William Starr Moake]

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:24:40 GMT, Vorpal Chortler
<vo****@phreake r.net.invalid> wrote:

I've got a web customer complaining about centered text when it's not
supposed to be. I just looked over at browsercam and it only appears on
Win IE 6 - Nothing else, EVERYTHING else is justified left as it should
be.

I'm using primitive CSS1 AND tables for the site.

The top page is at http://www.geocities.com/brigidregina/index.html

The CSS lives at
http://www.geocities.com/brigidregin...urselffree.css

The same thing happened to many of my sites when I switched to IE 6. I
had to go back and left-align all text contained in tables. In IE 5.5
the default <p> setting was left-align, but not in IE 6.

[Mark Parnell]

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:24:40 GMT, Vorpal Chortler declared in
comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html:

I've got a web customer complaining about centered text when it's not
supposed to be. I just looked over at browsercam and it only appears on
Win IE 6 - Nothing else, EVERYTHING else is justified left as it should
be.
You tested it on every browser in existence, and only IE6 behaves like
that?

OK, so that was a loaded question, because I know the answer is no - Opera
7 behaves the same.

I'm using primitive CSS1 AND tables for the site.
Why?

The top page is at http://www.geocities.com/brigidregina/index.html
You have a number of errors in your HTML. First step is to fix those.
http://validator.w3.org/

Not sure whether it will make a difference[1], but the URI in the doctype
declaration should be http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd, not what you
have.

The CSS lives at
http://www.geocities.com/brigidregin...urselffree.css

A couple of errors in your CSS too. http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/

BTW: the validator doesn't mention it, but the <!-- and --> shouldn't be in
your CSS file.

HTH

[1] It may, because the fact that the behaviour is the same in O7, but not
O6, makes me think that it is running in "Quirks" mode (O6 didn't have a
"Quirks" mode).

--
Mark Parnell
http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au

[William Starr Moake]

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:43:52 +1100, Mark Parnell
<we*******@clar kecomputers.com .au> wrote:

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:24:40 GMT, Vorpal Chortler declared in
comp.infosyste ms.www.authoring.html:

I've got a web customer complaining about centered text when it's not
supposed to be. I just looked over at browsercam and it only appears on
Win IE 6 - Nothing else, EVERYTHING else is justified left as it should
be.

You tested it on every browser in existence, and only IE6 behaves like
that?

OK, so that was a loaded question, because I know the answer is no - Opera
7 behaves the same.

Don't give a rat's ass about Opera or any other browser besides IE.
The latest stats show IE has 95% of the market. The other 5% are
computer geeks and I design for the general public, not geeks.

[Anne van Kesteren]

William Starr Moake wrote:

Don't give a rat's ass about Opera or any other browser besides IE.
The latest stats show IE has 95% of the market. The other 5% are
computer geeks and I design for the general public, not geeks.

I thought it was someone else his question.
--
Anne van Kesteren
<http://www.annevankest eren.nl/>

[Tim]

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:16:18 -1000,
William Starr Moake <ws*****@yahoo. com> wrote:

Don't give a rat's ass about Opera or any other browser besides IE.
The latest stats show IE has 95% of the market. The other 5% are
computer geeks and I design for the general public, not geeks.

Then, apart from being an asshole (something you've repeatedly
demonstrated in here), you're certainly asking for help in the wrong
place, from the wrong people.

If you don't know what's wrong with coding for MSIE, then quit, and do
the entire world a favour.

--
My "from" address is totally fake. The reply-to address is real, but
may be only temporary. Reply to usenet postings in the same place as
you read the message you're replying to.

This message was sent without a virus, please delete some files yourself.

[Bertilo Wennergren]

William Starr Moake:

The latest stats show IE has 95% of the market.

Not according to "Browser News":

<URL:http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/stat.htm>

The stats there show percentages for IE varying between 69% and 88%.

In the "Trends" page the usage of MSIE is summarized as follows:

Roughly 85% use IE-based browsers, down from a high of ~94% as users
switch to other browser families - mainly Gecko - with this downward
trend likely to continue as the alternate browsers improve and as IE
remains stagnant with no planned upgrade for several years.

<URL:http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/stat_trends.htm >

The usage of Gecko-based browsers is summarized as follows on that
same page:

I suggest that ~5-10% typically use Gecko browsers, with this number
growing as IE and Netscape 4 users switch.

--
Bertilo Wennergren <be******@gmx.n et> <http://www.bertilow.co m>

[Brian]

William Starr Moake wrote:

Don't give a rat's ass about Opera or any other browser besides IE.
The latest stats show IE has 95% of the market. The other 5% are
computer geeks and I design for the general public, not geeks.

What, a post from William Starr Moake, and no "css nazis" comment? I
feel cheated.

--
Brian
follow the directions in my address to email me

[Vorpal Chortler]

http://www.geocities.com/brigidregina/index.html

I've made some changes. How's it now in IE6? Browsercam won't let me
back in.

You've got a lot of <DIV align=center> in your code, it's not clear to mewhich ones you want honored and which you don't. But you use a Doctype
that triggers 'Standards mode' rendering in MSIE 6 (and Opera 7 BTW), andthat means that an orthodox interpretation is used: the content of the
enclosed tables is centered, not the tables themselves. The latter is
hardly useful BTW--why center tables that are set to 98% and 100% widths?
--
Rijk van Geijtenbeek
OK, I've now stripped the <DIV align=center> code around the tables.

The same thing happened to many of my sites when I switched to IE 6. I
had to go back and left-align all text contained in tables. In IE 5.5
the default <p> setting was left-align, but not in IE 6.
You tested it on every browser in existence, and only IE6 behaves like
that?

OK, so that was a loaded question, because I know the answer is no - Opera7 behaves the same.
OK, I didn't really check every browser. Here's the list of the ones I
checked with browsercam.com:

Windows Explorer 6 - centering glitch

Windows Explorer 5.5. - fine
Windows Explorer 5 - fine
Windows Netscape 7 - fine

Mac Safari 1 - fine
Linux Mozilla 1.3 - fine

I should have checked Opera.

I'm using primitive CSS1 AND tables for the site.

Why?

I just use CSS1 for font control. I haven't learned (yet) how to format
structure with CSS.


You have a number of errors in your HTML. First step is to fix those.
http://validator.w3.org/
OK, I checked there and got error(s) alright. All the pages are fine
EXCEPT for this code that Yahoo is appending dynamically at the EOF
</html>:

<!-- text below generated by server. PLEASE REMOVE
--></object></layer></div></span></style></noscript></table></script></ap
plet><script language="JavaS cript"
src="http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mc/mc.js"></script><script
language="JavaS cript"
src="http://geocities.com/js_source/geov2.js"></script><script
language="javas cript">geovisit ();</script><noscrip t><img
src="http://visit.webhostin g.yahoo.com/visit.gif?us107 1767640"
alt="setstats" border="0" width="1" height="1"></noscript>
<IMG SRC="http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=76001544 &t=107176764 0" ALT=1
WIDTH=1 HEIGHT=1>

WTF!? I doubt I'll be able to get them to do anything about it. I run
all my local code through two layers of syntax check and the whole site
is/was error free, except the CSS, see below.
Not sure whether it will make a difference[1], but the URI in the doctypedeclaration should be http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd, not what you
have.
Hmmm, this is what BBEdit 6 inserted:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/loose.dtd">

I take it you're saying it's wrong. Could you copyeditpaste the exact
thing I should have, please.

The CSS lives at
http://www.geocities.com/brigidregin...urselffree.css

A couple of errors in your CSS too. http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/

BTW: the validator doesn't mention it, but the <!-- and --> shouldn't

be inyour CSS file.

HTH
OK. I went there and found some errors, and fixed them, including the
comment code. But now I still get one error:

Line: 0

Parse error - Unrecognized : }

I don't have a line 0 and don't seen any extraneous }
William Starr Moake <ws*****@yahoo. com> wrote:

Don't give a rat's ass about Opera or any other browser besides IE.
The latest stats show IE has 95% of the market. The other 5% are
computer geeks and I design for the general public, not geeks.

Then, apart from being an asshole (something you've repeatedly
demonstrated in here), you're certainly asking for help in the wrong
place, from the wrong people.

Mistaken identity! I'm the one asking for help, not Mr. Moake.