How is this for correct HTML 4.01 headers?:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<html lang="zh-tw"><head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content=
"text/html; charset=utf-8">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="zh-tw">
And for my English pages, en-us instead of zh-tw.
Did I screw up any details? utf-8 or UTF-8 like Google?
The page should work via http:// or file:///.
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Dan Jacobson <ji*****@jidann i.org> wrote: How is this for correct HTML 4.01 headers?:
You actually didn't reveal the _headers_, namely the HTTP headers,
which are what really matters. If they specify the encoding
("charset"), they trump any <meta> tags (as explained so often in this
group).
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<html lang="zh-tw"><head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content=
"text/html; charset=utf-8">
OK, but real HTTP headers still have preference. (Some people would
prefer zh-Hant to zh-tw, since the subcode is really about variant of
writing system rather than geographic area, but that's mostly
politics.)
<meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="zh-tw">
Do you know of _any_ software that actually _uses_ the information in
such a <meta> tag, as opposite to just emitting it?
And for my English pages, en-us instead of zh-tw.
That's fine in principle, if the pages are really in US English.
utf-8 or UTF-8 like Google?
There's no difference. Names of encodings are by definition case
insensitive. For what it's worth, the official registery of names of
encodings uses "UTF-8" in uppercase:
http://www.iana.org/assignments/character-sets
The page should work via http:// or file:///.
Nothing works via file:// on the World Wide Web; the file:// URLs are
by definition system-dependent and work (at most) inside a computer or
across similar computers in a local network.
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Dan Jacobson wrote: How is this for correct HTML 4.01 headers?:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<html lang="zh-tw"><head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content=
"text/html; charset=utf-8">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="zh-tw">
And for my English pages, en-us instead of zh-tw.
Did I screw up any details? utf-8 or UTF-8 like Google?
The page should work via http:// or file:///.
Did you save the file as UFT-8? I often forget that ;-)
Jukka K. Korpela wrote: Dan Jacobson <ji*****@jidann i.org> wrote:
How is this for correct HTML 4.01 headers?:
You actually didn't reveal the _headers_, namely the HTTP headers,
which are what really matters. If they specify the encoding
("charset"), they trump any <meta> tags (as explained so often in this
group).
Is it wrong to refer to the HEAD element of an HTML document as an HTML
header?
What I noticed is:
- doesn't an HTML document have only one HTML header (if such
terminology is valid)?
- the snippet includes things that aren't part of the HEAD
- it isn't complete - no TITLE <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<html lang="zh-tw"><head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content=
"text/html; charset=utf-8">
OK, but real HTTP headers still have preference. (Some people would
prefer zh-Hant to zh-tw, since the subcode is really about variant of
writing system rather than geographic area, but that's mostly
politics.)
<meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="zh-tw">
Do you know of _any_ software that actually _uses_ the information in
such a <meta> tag, as opposite to just emitting it?
<snip>
Specifying the language of an HTML document certainly has its uses. http://webtips.dan.info/language.html
Where different programs look for this information is, of course,
another matter....
Stewart.
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broadcast on comp.infosystem s. www.authoring.html: Jukka K. Korpela wrote: Dan Jacobson <ji*****@jidann i.org> wrote:
How is this for correct HTML 4.01 headers?:
You actually didn't reveal the _headers_, namely the HTTP headers,
which are what really matters. If they specify the encoding
("charset"), they trump any <meta> tags (as explained so often in this
group).
Is it wrong to refer to the HEAD element of an HTML document as an HTML
header?
It is likely to lead to confusion with the http headers.
What I noticed is:
- doesn't an HTML document have only one HTML header (if such
terminology is valid)?
An HTML document may have only one HEAD element.
- the snippet includes things that aren't part of the HEAD
- it isn't complete - no TITLE
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<html lang="zh-tw"><head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content=
"text/html; charset=utf-8">
OK, but real HTTP headers still have preference. (Some people would
prefer zh-Hant to zh-tw, since the subcode is really about variant of
writing system rather than geographic area, but that's mostly
politics.)
<meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="zh-tw">
Do you know of _any_ software that actually _uses_ the information in
such a <meta> tag, as opposite to just emitting it?
<snip>
Specifying the language of an HTML document certainly has its uses.
http://webtips.dan.info/language.html
Where different programs look for this information is, of course,
another matter....
Stewart.
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Stewart Gordon wrote: Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
Dan Jacobson <ji*****@jidann i.org> wrote:
How is this for correct HTML 4.01 headers?:
You actually didn't reveal the _headers_, namely the HTTP headers,
which are what really matters. If they specify the encoding
("charset"), they trump any <meta> tags (as explained so often in this
group).
Is it wrong to refer to the HEAD element of an HTML document as an HTML
header?
Yes, because in a document, "headers" are the introductory bits of text
at the beginning of the different sections are the content, represented
in HTML documents by the tags H1 through H6.
In a communication protocol, such as HTTP, "headers" are the attributes
of the communication itself, preceding the content and telling the
receiving application what it needs to know to process the
communication. My use of the term "receiving application" here is
narrow. In the case of a browser, I don't mean all of the modules in the
browser, including the HTML renderer. I mean just the part that is party
to the communication: the HTTP-processing component.
What I noticed is:
- doesn't an HTML document have only one HTML header (if such
terminology is valid)?
It has any number of headers (H1 through H6 elements). It has only one
*head*.
- the snippet includes things that aren't part of the HEAD
- it isn't complete - no TITLE
It contained the DOCTYPE declaration and the HTML tag, neither of which
is part of the head. It also doesn't complain the complete head, because
the title is missing, as you observe. It also doesn't contain the
closing </head> tag, but that's technically not required.
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:14:05 +0000, Stewart Gordon
<sm*******@yaho o.com> wrote: Is it wrong to refer to the HEAD element of an HTML document as an HTML
header?
Hey Stewart. Perhaps right or wrong is not so relevant, as opposed to
what will cause other coders to call foul. I've always avoided
referring to the <head> section as a header, just for this very
reason. I've no idea if it's actually correct or not, one way or the
other.
Ian
-- http://sundry.ws/
Stewart Gordon wrote: <meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="zh-tw">
Do you know of _any_ software that actually _uses_ the information in
such a <meta> tag, as opposite to just emitting it?
<snip>
Specifying the language of an HTML document certainly has its uses.
http://webtips.dan.info/language.html
Dan's page on specifying language is great, even though actual
utilization on such information is fairly limited at present, as Dan
mentions.
My point was the use of a <meta> tag to specify language. A <meta> tag
like this is just a surrogate for an HTTP header. The header is in this
case somewhat debatable (by HTTP protocols, Content-Language indicates
the language(s) of the intended _audience_, though is admittedly almost
splitting hairs). More importantly, does any user agent actually make
some use of the Content-Type header, whether sent as an actual header or
simulated via <meta>?
In any case, by HTML specs, the lang attribute takes precedence over the
HTTP header, so the <meta> tag is pointless if you use the lang
attribute in <html>
Harlan Messinger wrote: Is it wrong to refer to the HEAD element of an HTML document as an
HTML header?
Yes, because in a document, "headers" are the introductory bits of text
at the beginning of the different sections are the content, represented
in HTML documents by the tags H1 through H6.
I would say that calling the HEAD element a header is misleading, but on
other grounds. The serious confusion here is between data in the HEAD
element and data in HTTP headers, especially since some data in the HEAD
element actually "simulates" HTTP headers but does _not_ take precedence
over actual HTTP headers.
The elements H1 through H6 are called headings in HTML specs, and I'd
keep them that way.
We also have THEAD (table header part) and TH (table header cell), so we
run out of terms and have to use the same word about two rather
different constructs. But what we can do is that we distinguish between
a) HTTP headers
b) HEAD part of an HTML document
c) headings in the BODY element of an HTML document
It has any number of headers (H1 through H6 elements).
Technically, yes. But it is normally good practice to have a single H1
element, since you rarely have meaningful use for two or more
_top-level_ headings. (A bilingual document containing parallel texts
could be an exception.)
Jukka K. Korpela wrote: The elements H1 through H6 are called headings in HTML specs, and I'd
keep them that way.
Ack, that always gets me. To me "header" and "heading" are virtually the
same word, but since we're being precise here I realize I should have
thought of that.
We also have THEAD (table header part) and TH (table header cell), so we
run out of terms and have to use the same word about two rather
different constructs. But what we can do is that we distinguish between
a) HTTP headers
b) HEAD part of an HTML document
c) headings in the BODY element of an HTML document
It has any number of headers (H1 through H6 elements).
Technically, yes. But it is normally good practice to have a single H1
element, since you rarely have meaningful use for two or more
_top-level_ headings. (A bilingual document containing parallel texts
could be an exception.)
I had a feeling someone would bring that up. Note that I didn't say at
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