This seems too simple by I can't find the answer.
Must <a name="foo"> be closed with </a> ?
Must it have content?
W3C says the content cannot be block so what if :
<a name="foo">
<h2>Foo Is Good</h2> ( a likely location )
Where does the closer </a> go?
<a name="foo">&nbs p;</a> is ok but uses a line
<h2>Foo Is Good</h2>
Mason C
Jul 24 '05
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On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:34:50 +0000 (UTC), Darin McGrew
<mc****@stanfor dalumni.org> wrote: David Ross <no****@nowhere .not> wrote: When I use the NAME attribute, I use a blank content:
<a name="foo"> </a>
Mason A. Clark <ma*******@THIS ix.netcom.comQQ Q> wrote: Opera does *not* recognize this. I tested it just now.
After reading all this "discussion ", I had to try it myself. Here's the
test setup I used.
In foo.html:
<!-- Several screenfuls of Lorem Ipsum -->
<a name="foo"> </a>
<h2>foo</h2>
<p><a href="bar.html# bar">go to bar</a>
<p><a href="foo.html# baz">go to baz</a>
<!-- Several screenfuls of Lorem Ipsum -->
<a name="baz"> </a>
<h2>baz</h2>
<p><a href="#foo">go to foo</a>
<!-- Several screenfuls of Lorem Ipsum -->
In bar.html:
<!-- Several screenfuls of Lorem Ipsum -->
<a name="bar"> </a>
<h2>bar</h2>
<p><a href="foo.html# foo">go to foo</a>
<!-- Several screenfuls of Lorem Ipsum -->
Opera 8.01 on MS Windows worked just fine with all 3 types of links:
href="#tag", href="thisdoc#t ag", and href="otherdoc# tag", with local files
and with documents from an HTTP server, with no DOCTYPE and with HTML 4.01
Strict, with <a name=...></a> and with <a name=...> </a>.
In what situation did Opera not recognize this type of anchor? And what
version of Opera?
See Els post 7/8/2005 2:43 AM Els found a special situation
in my demo url and opined it was a bug in Opera.
The demo is sitting at: http://masonc.home.netcom.com/1template-1.html
It has <a name="top"></a> and <a href="#top"> and
does not work. Look for href near the bottom and
<a name right below <body
In view of this experience I would not depend on Opera 8.01 to
find an empty <a name="foo"> </a> (spaces don't count)
I'm using <a name="foo">&nbs p;</a> until I find something better.
Mason C why does no one believe in me?
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I wrote: Opera 8.01 on MS Windows worked just fine with all 3 types of links:
href="#tag", href="thisdoc#t ag", and href="otherdoc# tag", with local files
and with documents from an HTTP server, with no DOCTYPE and with HTML 4.01
Strict, with <a name=...></a> and with <a name=...> </a>.
In what situation did Opera not recognize this type of anchor? And what
version of Opera?
Mason A. Clark <ma*******@THIS ix.netcom.comQQ Q> wrote: The demo is sitting at:
http://masonc.home.netcom.com/1template-1.html
It's an interaction between the link to the named anchor and your use of
"POSITION: fixed" in your style sheet. The problem goes away when I comment
out that property.
Actually, even with that property, Opera tries to do something; the page
scrolls up a few pixels each time I click on the "Return to the top of this
page" link.
Of course, I find "Return to the top of this page" links amusingly
pointless anyway, but that's another discussion.
--
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Web Design Group, da***@htmlhelp. com, http://www.HTMLHelp.com/
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On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 07:19:46 +0000 (UTC), Darin McGrew
<mc****@stanfor dalumni.org> wrote:
Of course, I find "Return to the top of this page" links amusingly
pointless anyway, but that's another discussion.
I've been accused of trolling. Isn't this a troll?
If a page must be scrolled. Surely an easy flip to the top is a
convenience to the viewer.
Mason C but..... enough of this thread it's done !
Mason A. Clark <ma************ *@ix.netcom.com > wrote: On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 07:19:46 +0000 (UTC), Darin McGrew
<mc****@stanfor dalumni.org> wrote:
Of course, I find "Return to the top of this page" links amusingly
pointless anyway, but that's another discussion.
I've been accused of trolling. Isn't this a troll?
Depends on what "this" refers to.
If a page must be scrolled. Surely an easy flip to the top is a
convenience to the viewer.
Do you mean that you find it more comfortable to scroll down to a
"Return to the top of this page", carefully position the pointer over
it and click on it than to press the keyboard key "Home", for example?
Did you even print a page containing "Return to the top of this page"
links and think how manifestly foolish they look like on paper?
Mason C but..... enough of this thread it's done !
Who died and made you the czar of Usenet?
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Pages about Web authoring: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/www.html
I wrote: Of course, I find "Return to the top of this page" links amusingly
pointless anyway, but that's another discussion.
Mason A. Clark <ma*******@THIS ix.netcom.comQQ Q> wrote: If a page must be scrolled. Surely an easy flip to the top is a
convenience to the viewer.
Absolutely. And every browser I've used has had at least one built-in
mechanism for returning to the top of the current page quickly. There's no
need for such links on web pages.
Of course, browsers also have built-in mechanisms for navigating the
browser history (forward, back, etc.), printing pages, bookmarking pages,
opening links in new windows, closing windows, setting font sizes, etc.
--
Darin McGrew, mc****@stanford alumni.org, http://www.rahul.net/mcgrew/
Web Design Group, da***@htmlhelp. com, http://www.HTMLHelp.com/
"Good teachers are costly. Bad teachers cost more." - Bob Talbert
Mason A. Clark <ma************ *@ix.netcom.com > wrote: On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 07:19:46 +0000 (UTC), Darin McGrew
<mc****@stanfo rdalumni.org> wrote:
Of course, I find "Return to the top of this page" links amusingly
pointless anyway, but that's another discussion.
I've been accused of trolling. Isn't this a troll?
If a page must be scrolled. Surely an easy flip to the top is a
convenience to the viewer.
Yes, that's why the user has the Home key on their keyboard. It
returns them to the top of the page on every single page. Compare with
links that may or may not have been included on particular pages and
which if they are included will be in different places and styled
differently on every page. So which is easier for the user?
Steve
--
"My theories appal you, my heresies outrage you,
I never answer letters and you don't like my tie." - The Doctor
Steve Pugh <st***@pugh.net > <http://steve.pugh.net/>
Els <el*********@ti scali.nl> wrote in
news:84******** *************** *****@40tude.ne t: Mason A. Clark wrote: <H2 id="fooname" .. has been suggested.
But the W3C site says:
"However, browser support for ID link destinations is very poor,
so A NAME will be needed for quite awhile. "
Can't say I've found a user agent yet that fails to find <a
id="foo" name="foo"></a>. Anyone know which one would fail that?
IIRC, Netscape 4. I didn't find the quoted page at W3C, but a similar
page at <http://www.htmlhelp.co m/reference/html40/special/a.html> is
dated from 1998, when NS4's various incompetencies would have merited a
warning like this.
--
Thomas Dowling
Ohio Library and Information Network
On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 08:05:41 GMT, Mason A. Clark <ma************ *@ix.netcom.com >
wrote: On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 07:19:46 +0000 (UTC), Darin McGrew
<mc****@stanfo rdalumni.org> wrote:
Of course, I find "Return to the top of this page" links amusingly
pointless anyway, but that's another discussion.
I've been accused of trolling. Isn't this a troll?
If a page must be scrolled. Surely an easy flip to the top is a
convenience to the viewer.
Mason C but..... enough of this thread it's done !
In the *real world* there are users who do not know their
keys will do something -- home for example.
And users like me whose lazy hand rests on the mouse.
btw, why would one have a css allowing printing of
useless stuff on paper?
Start your own thread. This is mine. End it.
Mason C usenet czar, pompous ass, stuffed shirt
Mason A. Clark wrote: On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 08:05:41 GMT, Mason A. Clark <ma************ *@ix.netcom.com >
wrote:
In the *real world* there are users who do not know their
keys will do something -- home for example.
Except in rather unusual circumstances, it's *their* responsibility to
learn how to use their chosen browser.
And users like me whose lazy hand rests on the mouse.
"Improving the experience" for the clueless or lazy at the expense of
degrading it for those who've achieved at least minimal competence is
almost always a bad idea.
Start your own thread. This is mine. End it.
Mason C usenet czar, pompous ass, stuffed shirt
Well, two out of three ain't bad...
Dave
I wrote: Of course, I find "Return to the top of this page" links amusingly
pointless anyway, but that's another discussion.
Mason A. Clark <ma*******@THIS ix.netcom.comQQ Q> wrote: In the *real world* there are users who do not know their
keys will do something -- home for example.
And users like me whose lazy hand rests on the mouse.
The browsers I'm familiar with have mouse-based ways to get to the top of
the page quickly, too.
The built-in mechanisms of the browser work reliably on every page. Web
authors' attempts to replicate browser functionality are less reliable.
And users who don't know how to use basic functions of their browsers will
only be confused when various pages imitate those functions inconsistently.
Start your own thread. This is mine. End it.
What makes you think that the original poster owns the thread? What makes
you think that anyone owns a thread? If you're tired of it, then stop
reading it. Killfiles are your friend.
--
Darin McGrew, mc****@stanford alumni.org, http://www.rahul.net/mcgrew/
Web Design Group, da***@htmlhelp. com, http://www.HTMLHelp.com/
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