On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:24:45 -0800 (PST), tg <D2*******@goog lemail.com>
wrote:
>She and her husband, a former conservative member of
parliament, still reside in South Africa
Do you mean, a pro-apartheid member of parliament? Niiice.
Nov 7 '08
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On Nov 7, 9:11*pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo .comwrote:
On Nov 7, 12:12*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@j t10000.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:24:45 -0800 (PST), tg <D2Zabc...@goog lemail.com>
wrote:
>She and her husband, a former conservative member of
>parliament, still reside in South Africa
Do you mean, a pro-apartheid member of parliament? *Niiice.
Actually, the Conservatives were the main opposition to the apartheid
government.
But do tell us, John Forrest Tomlinson, how the fact that this woman's
husband was in the official opposition to the apartheid government in
any way makes the observable points she raises any the less valuable.
Are you claiming that South Africa is not dangerous and corrupt under
the present ANC government?
If you can refute here points, you should do so. If you cannot, you
shouldn't smear her with her husband's politics. You're indulging in
sexist and racist prejudice here; I would have thought someone of your
revealed politics would know better.
Andre Jute
Enquiring minds want to know
Dumbass -
This thread's premise is flawed.
The United States and South Africa cannot be used as analogues for
each other. They are profoundly different from each other in too many
ways to list here.
thanks,
K. Gringioni.
On Nov 8, 5:24*am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hot mail.comwrote:
On Nov 7, 9:11*pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo .comwrote:
On Nov 7, 12:12*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@j t10000.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:24:45 -0800 (PST), tg <D2Zabc...@goog lemail.com>
wrote:
She and her husband, a former conservative member of
parliament, still reside in South Africa
Do you mean, a pro-apartheid member of parliament? *Niiice.
Actually, the Conservatives were the main opposition to the apartheid
government.
But do tell us, John Forrest Tomlinson, how the fact that this woman's
husband was in the official opposition to the apartheid government in
any way makes the observable points she raises any the less valuable.
Are you claiming that South Africa is not dangerous and corrupt under
the present ANC government?
If you can refute here points, you should do so. If you cannot, you
shouldn't smear her with her husband's politics. You're indulging in
sexist and racist prejudice here; I would have thought someone of your
revealed politics would know better.
Andre Jute
Enquiring minds want to know
Dumbass -
Why, thank you, kind sir. That's the nicest thing anyone thought about
me today.
This thread's premise is flawed.
But I didn't address the thread's premise. I addressed the methodology
of brainless left, of labelling anyone they do not agree with a
rightwinger and than considering that an adequate answer to all the
points raised by the party of the first part (I know who I am talking
about, but do you, Gringione?).
The United States and South Africa cannot be used as analogues for
each other. They are profoundly different from each other in too many
ways to list here.
Well then, just list a few, hmm, a sample from the ever so many
differences you claim.
thanks,
For showing you up as another brainless berk? I haven't even started
yet.
K. Gringioni.
When we have your list of differences between the pre-ANC South Africa
and the pre-Obama United States in hand, I'll explain why you're an
ignorant clown. You may count on it.
Andre Jute
Thumbs well clear of the bricks
On Nov 7, 9:11*pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo .comwrote:
On Nov 7, 12:12*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@j t10000.com>
wrote:
You're indulging in sexist and racist
prejudice here; I would have thought someone of your
revealed politics would know better.
lol
On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:11:08 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
<fi******@yahoo .comwrote:
>On Nov 7, 12:12*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@j t10000.com>
wrote:
>On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:24:45 -0800 (PST), tg <D2Zabc...@goog lemail.com>
wrote:
>She and her husband, a former conservative member of
parliament, still reside in South Africa
Do you mean, a pro-apartheid member of parliament? *Niiice.
Actually, the Conservatives were the main opposition to the apartheid
government.
But do tell us, John Forrest Tomlinson, how the fact that this woman's
husband was in the official opposition to the apartheid government in
any way makes the observable points she raises any the less valuable.
Are you claiming that South Africa is not dangerous and corrupt under
the present ANC government?
It's certainly dangerous and there is certainly corruptonj. It's also
certainly better than 25 years ago.
Andre Jute wrote:
On Nov 8, 5:24 am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hot mail.comwrote:
>[...]
Dumbass -
Why, thank you, kind sir. That's the nicest thing anyone thought about
me today.[...]
FYI - Kurgan Gringioni's standard Usenet salutation is "Dumbass", and
has become part of the rec.bicycles.ra cing culture.
--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the precipitate.
On Nov 8, 11:38*am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@j t10000.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:11:08 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
<fiult...@yahoo .comwrote:
On Nov 7, 12:12*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@j t10000.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:24:45 -0800 (PST), tg <D2Zabc...@goog lemail.com>
wrote:
She and her husband, a former conservative member of
parliament, still reside in South Africa
Do you mean, a pro-apartheid member of parliament? *Niiice.
Actually, the Conservatives were the main opposition to the apartheid
government.
But do tell us, John Forrest Tomlinson, how the fact that this woman's
husband was in the official opposition to the apartheid government in
any way makes the observable points she raises any the less valuable.
Are you claiming that South Africa is not dangerous and corrupt under
the present ANC government?
It's certainly dangerous and there is certainly corruptonj. *It's also
certainly better than 25 years ago.
A moment of pure chilling horror rippled down my spine when I read
that. How ignorant can anyone be, even the self-deluded? How can the
highest murder-rate in the world possibly be better than the peace and
stability that breeds the middle classes from whose works flows all
the other good things of a Western society? How can it possibly be
good to turn peace into a gun culture where no woman is safe on the
streets and everyone who can afford it travels in armoured trucks? How
can it be better when De Beers, to attract geologists, must tell them
they will live in an armoured, guarded building, and be driven to work
in armoured cars? How can constant tribal warfare, in the place of
peace, be good for anyone?
You're ignorant or you're wanking, John Forrest Tomlinson.
Andre Jute
who twice had assassins sent after him by the old apartheid government
On Nov 8, 2:43*pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@R EMOVETHISyahoo. com>
wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:
On Nov 8, 5:24 am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hot mail.comwrote:
[...]
Dumbass -
Why, thank you, kind sir. That's the nicest thing anyone thought about
me today.[...]
FYI - Kurgan Gringioni's standard Usenet salutation is "Dumbass", and
has become part of the rec.bicycles.ra cing culture.
Ah, I see, Gringioni doesn't so much spray personal abuse as exhibit a
nervous defensive twitch. Makes a lot of sense. -- AJ
Andre Jute wrote:
>
John Forrest Tomlinson
It's certainly dangerous and there is certainly corruptonj. *It's also
certainly better than 25 years ago.
A moment of pure chilling horror rippled down my spine when I read
that. How ignorant can anyone be, even the self-deluded?
Ignorant enough to think that the black majority in South Africa were
better off under the boots of their white oppressors, evidently.
Violent crime is probably a worse problem in the American South now
than it was during the days of slavery, too. I'm guessing that black
Southerners prefer not being slaves just the same.
Chalo
On Nov 8, 8:53*pm, Chalo <chalo.col...@g mail.comwrote:
Andre Jute wrote:
John Forrest Tomlinson
It's certainly dangerous and there is certainly corruptonj. *It's also
certainly better than 25 years ago.
A moment of pure chilling horror rippled down my spine when I read
that. How ignorant can anyone be, even the self-deluded?
Ignorant enough to think that the black majority in South Africa were
better off under the boots of their white oppressors, evidently.
Violent crime is probably a worse problem in the American South now
than it was during the days of slavery, too. *I'm guessing that black
Southerners prefer not being slaves just the same.
Chalo
So, Chalo, would you say Zimbabweans are better off now, being
murdered by their own (black) government, than they were under the
white regime which protected their lives and their liberty?
I love "being slaves", and the "under the boots of their white
oppressors" as inflammatory rhetoric, but it has nothing to do with
the facts of black goverments committing crimes ranging from
mismanagement to genocides in either Zimbabwe or South Africa, and
less to do with the white governments which preceded them, which were
competent and honest. I've been to these places. You haven't. Blacks
in southern Africa were better off than the blacks in the American
South as recently as the late 1960s (and possibly much more recently
-- it is merely that the last time I toured the South on the ground,
so to speak, was the late 60's).
What you're spouting here is wishful revisionism of the same nature as
your claim that Hoover offered Rooseveld the presidency early in
return for him dropping the New Deal.
Zimbabwe and South Africa are rich countries; under the previous
governments they exported huge amounts of food, and no one starved.
Now people are starving, and you hold that up as good governance? I'm
disappointed in you, man. I thought a guy who always gives superb
straightup advice on mechanical things would have more blunt good
sense about politics.
Andre Jute
It is not necessary to take sides, merely to observe accurately and
report dispassionately . -- Andre Jute to students destined for
journalism, Cambridge, c1978
On Nov 7, 10:07*pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo .comwrote:
..
>
When we have your list of differences between the pre-ANC South Africa
and the pre-Obama United States in hand, I'll explain why you're an
ignorant clown.
Dumbass -
You are correct. The pre-ANC South Africa and pre-Obama United States
were exactly the same. No differences whatsover.
thanks,
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