Is it a good thing that program mix C and C++?
Mar 28 '07
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In article <46************ ***@yahoo.com>,
CBFalconer <cb********@mai neline.netwrote :
>Is it a good thing that program mix C and C++?
>Mix, no. You can call C routines from C++, but not the reverse.
The C language does not define a mechanism for calling C++ functions,
but it is possible to do so in almost all (if not all) implementations .
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SM"dolphin" <jd*******@gmai l.comwrote: # Is it a good thing
SMthat program mix C and C++?
SMIt is a good thing to get the program finished and running
SMcorrectly.
It is an even better thing to get the program finished, running
correctly, and in such a state that it is easy to alter or maintain.
That last point in the tricolon is a pretty clear argument against
mixing C and C++ in a logical unit; a library, for instance, may be in
C or C++, but it should never be in both simultaneously, because that
will make it considerably harder to maintain.
Charlton
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Ian Collins <ia******@hotma il.comwrote in message
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Richard Heathfield wrote:
Ian Collins said:
>CBFalconer wrote:
dolphin wrote:
Is it a good thing that program mix C and C++?
Mix, no. You can call C routines from C++, but not the reverse.
No so, C++ provides a mechanism (the extern "C" linkage specifier) to
make C++ functions callable from C.
No, it doesn't. It makes C functions callable from C++.
All together now: oh yes it does!
It's commonly used where a C++ function has to be passed to a C library
as a callback.
extern "C" specified the linkage type of the function, not its language.
Uh, yeah. It prevents the "name-mangling" of functions compiled
under C++, allowing them to be called from C. It also explicitly
identifies that external functions compiled under C are not "name-mangled"
for proper linking with C++ object files. Once you understand this,
and how to do it, you can call back and forth between C and C++
object files pretty much at will. It is quite obvious that some people
here who are experts on the return value of main() don't understand
this.
Another additional rule is that your C++ functions must not take
or return any data types not found in C. This will quite often require
some special handling of C++ library functions not originally written
to be called from C, but generally doesn't require more than calling
them from a "wrapper" function that takes and returns the allowed
types.
As a response to the original question, it is a "good thing"
to not re-invent libraries just because they may have been
developed in C++ and your C program needs some functionality
in the C++ libraries, or you have a large collection of C libraries
you wrote and now want to use in a C++ program, and other
similar situations. As far as just using stuff from the C standard
libraries in C++ programs, you do have to be careful about
several differences between the two concerning stuff like
enums, type casting, etc.
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In article <sD************ ********@bgtnsc 04-news.ops.worldn et.att.net>,
Bill Reid <ho********@hap pyhealthy.netwr ote:
....
>object files pretty much at will. It is quite obvious that some people
here who are experts on the return value of main() don't understand
this.
Well said, sir! And, you might add, the ethics of casting the return
value of malloc().
Note (for the uninitiated): The "casting the return value of malloc()"
thing is an idea that is taken as gospel around here, but has no real
world traction outside of this NG. It is certainly possible to disagree
with this bit of dogma, but doing so will win you no friends around here.
Ian Collins wrote:
CBFalconer wrote:
>dolphin wrote:
>>Is it a good thing that program mix C and C++?
Mix, no. You can call C routines from C++, but not the reverse.
No so, C++ provides a mechanism (the extern "C" linkage specifier)
to make C++ functions callable from C.
That makes C callable from C++. Not the reverse.
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Ian Collins said:
Richard Heathfield wrote:
>Ian Collins said:
>>>CBFalconer wrote:
dolphin wrote:
>Is it a good thing that program mix C and C++?
Mix, no. You can call C routines from C++, but not the reverse.
No so, C++ provides a mechanism (the extern "C" linkage specifier) to
make C++ functions callable from C.
No, it doesn't. It makes C functions callable from C++.
All together now: oh yes it does!
I can find no evidence in ISO/IEC 9899 to support your claim - or, for
that matter, my own claim that it makes C functions callable from C++.
I therefore withdraw that claim. Please provide chapter and verse from
ISO/IEC 9899 for extern "C" being a mechanism to C++ functions callable
from C, or alternatively follow my lead by withdrawing your claim.
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Richard Heathfield wrote:
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Ian Collins said:
CBFalconer wrote:
dolphin wrote:
Is it a good thing that program mix C and C++?
Mix, no. You can call C routines from C++, but not the reverse.
No so, C++ provides a mechanism (the extern "C" linkage specifier) to
make C++ functions callable from C.
No, it doesn't. It makes C functions callable from C++.
It indirectly allows C to call C++. By compiling with C++, and
declaring a function extern "C", that particular function can call
C++ functions, and can be called from C functions.
At least that has been my experience. I can have legacy C code
call, for example, Microsoft's MFC functions via such a wrapper.
Of course, C++ is irrelevent to comp.lang.c, but C-to-C++ may be
relevent on comp.lang.c++.
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Kenny McCormack wrote:
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In article <sD************ ********@bgtnsc 04-news.ops.worldn et.att.net>,
Bill Reid <ho********@hap pyhealthy.netwr ote:
...
object files pretty much at will. It is quite obvious that some people
here who are experts on the return value of main() don't understand
this.
Well said, sir! And, you might add, the ethics of casting the return
value of malloc().
Note (for the uninitiated): The "casting the return value of malloc()"
thing is an idea that is taken as gospel around here, but has no real
world traction outside of this NG. It is certainly possible to disagree
with this bit of dogma, but doing so will win you no friends around here.
It's considered bad practice, as it can hide a missing #include for
the malloc-and-friends prototypes. Without those prototypes, all
bets are off as to what happens when the compiler takes what it
thinks is an int return and casts it into your pointer. (This is
not just theoretical. I have worked on "real world" platforms where
pointers are returned differently than integers. Specifically, the
Motorola 680x0 series of CPUs have two sets of registers -- one for
"data" and one for "addresses" -- ie: D0, D1, D2 and so on, plus A0,
A1, A2 and so on. Pointers are returned in A0, and ints are
returned in D0. The value of D0 upon return from malloc is
unrelated to the pointer returned in A0, yet the missing prototype
will cause the compiler to assume that D0 contains the return.)
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CBFalconer <cb********@yah oo.comwrote:
# Ian Collins wrote:
# CBFalconer wrote:
# >dolphin wrote:
# >>
# >>Is it a good thing that program mix C and C++?
# >>
# >Mix, no. You can call C routines from C++, but not the reverse.
# >
# No so, C++ provides a mechanism (the extern "C" linkage specifier)
# to make C++ functions callable from C.
#
# That makes C callable from C++. Not the reverse.
That comes as a real shock to those of us who do so, by deviously
following the extern "C" rules explicitly intended to allow this.
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CBFalconer wrote:
Ian Collins wrote:
>>CBFalconer wrote:
>>>dolphin wrote:
Is it a good thing that program mix C and C++?
Mix, no. You can call C routines from C++, but not the reverse.
No so, C++ provides a mechanism (the extern "C" linkage specifier)
to make C++ functions callable from C.
That makes C callable from C++. Not the reverse.
It's a two way street.
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