1) Thank you. Thanks to this news group in which I read a post
earlier today about making variables static in certain cases, I
believe I avoided future debugging headaches. It reminded me of a
place in my code where I did that. Thank you!
2) Like I mentioned in an earlier post, I program on the hobby level,
but I am working on a project now and so I am coding again, however,
it is like being revived from a deep sleep for me. Put it to you this
way, my login at the cprogramming.co m website is gone, I haven't
logged on for a couple of years. So forgive me if this question
sounds weird or out of place, I am merely out of touch. Is C no longer
a mainstream language? I ask my brother in-law for help sometimes
when I get stuck, but he keeps talking about C++. I've talked to
several co-workers about helping out (a little team work would be
nice), but they talk about visual basic or fortran and look at me
funny when I say I program for Windows in C. I BS them and tell them
those languages don't have pointers and that if it don't have pointers
it sucks.
I am reminded of that Austin Powers movie where they revive the main
character from the freezer after many years asleep.
This has no bearing on my project, I am just curious as to my
obsolecense. Is C obsolete?
3) I really like the simple editor "gedit" that comes with Ubuntu
Linux. Is there a version for windows? Okay, I know what you linux
folks are about to say, "run the compiler in wine," Right? I guess I
could do that. Testing my windows program would probably be better
done in windows though. Is there something similar for windows?
25  2343  ko********@yaho o.com said:
Is C no longer a mainstream language?
C remains a mainstream language.
I ask my brother in-law for help sometimes
when I get stuck, but he keeps talking about C++.
Er, so what?
I've talked to
several co-workers about helping out (a little team work would be
nice), but they talk about visual basic or fortran and look at me
funny when I say I program for Windows in C. I BS them and tell them
those languages don't have pointers and that if it don't have pointers
it sucks.
What is it about pointers that makes you believe their lack makes a
language "suck"?
<snip>
[...] Is C obsolete?
No.
3) I really like the simple editor "gedit" that comes with Ubuntu
Linux. Is there a version for windows? Okay, I know what you linux
folks are about to say, "run the compiler in wine," Right?
Wrong. We're about to say "ask such questions in a newsgroup where they
are topical".
--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999 http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at the above domain, - www. ko********@yaho o.com wrote:
<snip>
Is C no longer a mainstream language?
No. It's still used in a wide variety of domains.
<snip>
I BS them and tell them
those languages don't have pointers and that if it don't have pointers
it sucks.
Try not to get involved in language wars. Each major language has it's
purpose and applicability and deriding languages other than your
favourite one, makes you appear an emotional person.
<snip>
This has no bearing on my project, I am just curious as to my
obsolecense. Is C obsolete?
Far from it. It's one of the few languages that have survived in
mainstream for multiple decades.
3) I really like the simple editor "gedit" that comes with Ubuntu
Linux. Is there a version for windows? Okay, I know what you linux
folks are about to say, "run the compiler in wine," Right? I guess I
could do that. Testing my windows program would probably be better
done in windows though. Is there something similar for windows?
<OT>
Your plight highlights the result of learning a single-platform
editor. I recommend that you learn either vi, (my preference), or
Emacs. They'll most likely be available on every platform you'll
happen to use.
</OT>
On 6 Mar 2007 23:48:57 -0800, ko********@yaho o.com wrote:
[snip]
>3) I really like the simple editor "gedit" that comes with Ubuntu
Linux. Is there a version for windows? Okay, I know what you linux
folks are about to say, "run the compiler in wine," Right? I guess I
could do that. Testing my windows program would probably be better
done in windows though. Is there something similar for windows?
Yes, and it's free: http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/
BTW, I also like gedit that comes with Ubuntu. The syntax coloring is
great.
--
jay http://www.ubuntu.com/
funny when I say I program for Windows in C. I BS them and tell them
those languages don't have pointers and that if it don't have pointers
it sucks.
What is it about pointers that makes you believe their lack makes a
language "suck"?
Nothing. BS is a slang for lying. ko********@yaho o.com wrote:
>>funny when I say I program for Windows in C. I BS them and tell them
those languages don't have pointers and that if it don't have pointers
it sucks.
What is it about pointers that makes you believe their lack makes a
language "suck"?
Nothing. BS is a slang for lying.
Why not say you want to build your C chops because then you aren't
limited to a single platform or implementation.
<ko********@yah oo.comwrote in message
>
This has no bearing on my project, I am just curious as to my
obsolecense. Is C obsolete?
Good question. It will have a niche in small embedded programs for some time
to come. But will it continue to be used for applications development on
desktop systems and above?
I think it will. It is such a good abstraction of a von Neumann machine
that, if you have any sort of algorithm, a C implementation is natural. With
other languages you fiddle to get the algorithm to work with the rest of the
system. It is also very efficient.
Malcolm McLean skrev:
<ko********@yah oo.comwrote in message
>>
This has no bearing on my project, I am just curious as to my
obsolecense. Is C obsolete?
Good question. It will have a niche in small embedded programs for some
time to come. But will it continue to be used for applications
development on desktop systems and above?
I think it will. It is such a good abstraction of a von Neumann machine
that, if you have any sort of algorithm, a C implementation is natural.
With other languages you fiddle to get the algorithm to work with the
rest of the system.
Example please. I don't see why it would be less natural in some other
procedural language.
It is also very efficient.
(...and quite dangerous.)
August
"August Karlstrom" <fu********@com hem.sewrote in message
>I think it will. It is such a good abstraction of a von Neumann machine
that, if you have any sort of algorithm, a C implementation is natural.
With other languages you fiddle to get the algorithm to work with the
rest of the system.
Example please. I don't see why it would be less natural in some other
procedural language.
Let's try to write an expression parser in Fortran 77.
No recursion. So every function has to be data recursive, and the job is
terrible. If you go to newer Fortrans the parallel compilers won't handle
it.
OK, java.
The obvious C form is
double parse( char *expression, char **err )
In java you throw exceptions to indicate error conditions.
So now we've got a horrible job documenting not only our parser, but also
the exception object it throws. The parse cannot be a function, it has to be
a method of an object. Make it a static method and you've broken the
object-oriented paradigm. Create a "Parser" object and you've got something
artificial.
Then you will find that the internals of the function become very messy. You
need some sort of tokenizer function. The neophyte might be tempted by the
StringTokenizer - in fact it is very hard to get it to do what you want.
Since there are no pointers, the current parse position has to be stored in
an integer, which adds complexity to every token translation routine.
It is possible to write an expression parser in Java, of course, and it is
even possible to make a good job of it. However you need a certain amount of
experience - it's not the language of choice for developing parser
technology in, or for learning how to implement a parser.
On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:26:34 -0500, ko********@yaho o.com wrote
(in article <11************ **********@j27g 2000cwj.googleg roups.com>):
>>funny when I say I program for Windows in C. I BS them and tell them
those languages don't have pointers and that if it don't have pointers
it sucks.
What is it about pointers that makes you believe their lack makes a
language "suck"?
Nothing. BS is a slang for lying.
In what language?
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