someone fill me in - VS Express Editions

[James]

http://www.microsoft.com/express/download/

I've just seen the ad and the download page.

1) what are you missing if you use these as opposed to full version of
Visual Studio?

2) can you install all the express editions on the same computer?

I mostly do wsh scripting and I'm assuming the vb edition will support this
with intellisense... which, well, makes me want to jump up and down :).
However I do also occasionally do some vb.net/asp.net/csharp.net projects
and used visual studio 2005 at a previous employer. If I had to guess I'd
say there is likely no visual source safe support, which is fine with me,
but what else don't you get?

I'm going to start the dvd iso download now. I'm actually in the middle of a
scripting project right now and I'm using notepad++. Anyone care to share
the bottom line on these express editions?

[Juan T. Llibre]

re:
!1) what are you missing if you use these as opposed to full version of Visual Studio?

Here's the differences :

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/vs2005/aa700921.aspx


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"James" <no***@nowhere. comwrote in message news:ui******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP02.phx.gbl...

http://www.microsoft.com/express/download/

I've just seen the ad and the download page.

1) what are you missing if you use these as opposed to full version of Visual Studio?

2) can you install all the express editions on the same computer?

I mostly do wsh scripting and I'm assuming the vb edition will support this with intellisense... which, well, makes me
want to jump up and down :). However I do also occasionally do some vb.net/asp.net/csharp.net projects and used visual
studio 2005 at a previous employer. If I had to guess I'd say there is likely no visual source safe support, which is
fine with me, but what else don't you get?

I'm going to start the dvd iso download now. I'm actually in the middle of a scripting project right now and I'm using
notepad++. Anyone care to share the bottom line on these express editions?

[jdrott1]

On Aug 26, 2:27*pm, "Juan T. Llibre" <nomailrepl...@ nowhere.com>
wrote:

re:
!1) what are you missing if you use these as opposed to full version ofVisual Studio?

Here's the differences :

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/vs2005/aa700921.aspx

Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
asp.net faq :http://asp.net.do/faq/
foros de asp.net, en español :http://asp.net.do/foros/
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"James" <no...@nowhere. comwrote in messagenews:ui* *************@T K2MSFTNGP02.phx .gbl...

http://www.microsoft.com/express/download/

I've just seen the ad and the download page.

1) what are you missing if you use these as opposed to full version of Visual Studio?

2) can you install all the express editions on the same computer?

I mostly do wsh scripting and I'm assuming the vb edition will support this with intellisense... which, well, makes me
want to jump up and down :). However I do also occasionally do some vb.net/asp.net/csharp.net projects and used visual
studio 2005 at a previous employer. If I had to guess I'd say there is likely no visual source safe support, which is
fine with me, but what else don't you get?

I'm going to start the dvd iso download now. I'm actually in the middleof a scripting project right now and I'm using
notepad++. Anyone care to share the bottom line on these express editions?- Hide quoted text -

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something i remember from using express editions was there are no
printing functions.

[Keith G Hicks]

You might also find some limitations with 3rd party tools. I use VWD Express
and cannot use reports from a certain 3rd party company. This information is
not going to be documented specifically in the Microsoft web sites.

[JDeats]

On Aug 26, 2:18 pm, "James" <no...@nowhere. comwrote:

http://www.microsoft.com/express/download/

I've just seen the ad and the download page.

1) what are you missing if you use these as opposed to full version of
Visual Studio?

2) can you install all the express editions on the same computer?

I mostly do wsh scripting and I'm assuming the vb edition will support this
with intellisense... which, well, makes me want to jump up and down :).
However I do also occasionally do some vb.net/asp.net/csharp.net projects
and used visual studio 2005 at a previous employer. If I had to guess I'd
say there is likely no visual source safe support, which is fine with me,
but what else don't you get?

I'm going to start the dvd iso download now. I'm actually in the middle of a
scripting project right now and I'm using notepad++. Anyone care to share
the bottom line on these express editions?

They have different license agreements which you may want to look
into, but essentially it boils down to: Express editions are idea for:
students, hobbyist, special case development scenarios (XNA Game
Studio is the only example of this). Professional and Enterprise
editions are going to be appropriate (and the only legal option) for
most Microsoft development scenarios.

[Chris Dunaway]

On Aug 26, 3:41 pm, JDeats <Jeremy.De...@g mail.comwrote:

Studio is the only example of this). Professional and Enterprise
editions are going to be appropriate (and the only legal option) for
most Microsoft development scenarios.

What do you mean by "the only legal option")? There are no legal
restrictions on any programs you create with the Express editions.
You can sell them, rent them, or give them away at your discretion.

Chris

[JDeats]

On Aug 26, 3:46 pm, Chris Dunaway <dunaw...@gmail .comwrote:

On Aug 26, 3:41 pm, JDeats <Jeremy.De...@g mail.comwrote:

Studio is the only example of this). Professional and Enterprise
editions are going to be appropriate (and the only legal option) for
most Microsoft development scenarios.

What do you mean by "the only legal option")? There are no legal
restrictions on any programs you create with the Express editions.
You can sell them, rent them, or give them away at your discretion.

Chris

There have been cases were third-party component developers got into
legal trouble with Microsoft by trying to support Visual C# Express,
apparently Microsoft has a pretty strict policy on allowing third-
party controls not being allowed (see reference on testdriven.net
below). Witht he ability to only connect to SQL Server Express edition
and crippled debugging features, Express editions are a poor choice
for enterprise development because of their lack of integration
features and probably a poor choice for most professional development
scenarios in general. When I said "the only legal option" I was
refering to steps a developer might take to circumvent these
limitations to make the product more featured which would put them in
violation of the license agreement (see testdriven.net case).

I'm not aware of any legal constraint that would stop someone from
selling their Visual C# Express creations or even using Visual C#
Express for Professional I just don't see it being practical in the
later

Reference:
http://blogs.msdn.com/danielfe/archi...riven-net.aspx

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JDeats,

You essentially don't know what you are talking about.

Kerry Moorman
"JDeats" wrote:

On Aug 26, 3:46 pm, Chris Dunaway <dunaw...@gmail .comwrote:

On Aug 26, 3:41 pm, JDeats <Jeremy.De...@g mail.comwrote:

Studio is the only example of this). Professional and Enterprise
editions are going to be appropriate (and the only legal option) for
most Microsoft development scenarios.

What do you mean by "the only legal option")? There are no legal
restrictions on any programs you create with the Express editions.
You can sell them, rent them, or give them away at your discretion.

Chris

There have been cases were third-party component developers got into
legal trouble with Microsoft by trying to support Visual C# Express,
apparently Microsoft has a pretty strict policy on allowing third-
party controls not being allowed (see reference on testdriven.net
below). Witht he ability to only connect to SQL Server Express edition
and crippled debugging features, Express editions are a poor choice
for enterprise development because of their lack of integration
features and probably a poor choice for most professional development
scenarios in general. When I said "the only legal option" I was
refering to steps a developer might take to circumvent these
limitations to make the product more featured which would put them in
violation of the license agreement (see testdriven.net case).

I'm not aware of any legal constraint that would stop someone from
selling their Visual C# Express creations or even using Visual C#
Express for Professional I just don't see it being practical in the
later

Reference:
http://blogs.msdn.com/danielfe/archi...riven-net.aspx

[JDeats]

That's rather rude and uncalled for now isn't it.

Jeremy

[JDeats]

In regard to the question "Can you install multiple express editions
on the same system", the answer is Yes.