Windows app or ASP.NET ?

[Alan T]

I am not sure which way to go:
Want to learn C# but C# is implemented both in Windows desktop application
and ASP.NET. I am not familiar with web programming, should I start with
Windows app or ASP .NET?

[Michael Starberg]

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>I am not sure which way to go:
Want to learn C# but C# is implemented both in Windows desktop application
and ASP.NET. I am not familiar with web programming, should I start with
Windows app or ASP .NET?

Why not both?

- Michael Starberg

[Alan T]

I would love to but I need to get started from choosing one of them first
anyway.

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I am not sure which way to go:
Want to learn C# but C# is implemented both in Windows desktop

application

and ASP.NET. I am not familiar with web programming, should I start with
Windows app or ASP .NET?

Why not both?

- Michael Starberg

[Michael Starberg]

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>I would love to but I need to get started from choosing one of them first
anyway.

First you need to learn to not top-post, if your message is not final.

But I'd start in the middle if I where you,
building a simple webservice, and have a small website and a winapp work
with that.

Why just a master-detail using the Northwnd database.
Some Databinding, GUI-gridding. And maybe some Validation.

Another thing you could do is to do a really slow Tetris,
in a console application. Using Console.Read()
you could redraw the 'game-area' for each move,
and spend time having fun with OO.
maybe IBrick knows when it hits IWall.
Or maybe IGame knows when a brick hits a wall.
Maybe the singleton Floor could raise an event
when it observes that a straight line has been done..

Lousy design, true, but it will get you going...

- Michael Starberg

[Michael A. Covington]

Start with Windows application programming.

I think trying to do both at once would be confusing.

[Michael A. Covington]

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>>I would love to but I need to get started from choosing one of them first
anyway.

First you need to learn to not top-post, if your message is not final.

Top-posting has come into wide use for a good reason. I challenge the
anti-top-posting crowd to enumerate the advantages of both bottom- and
top-posting. I'm afraid that for many people nowadays, telling others not
to top-post is merely a way of claiming status.

But I'd start in the middle if I where you,
building a simple webservice, and have a small website and a winapp work
with that.

Why just a master-detail using the Northwnd database.
Some Databinding, GUI-gridding. And maybe some Validation.

Another thing you could do is to do a really slow Tetris,
in a console application. Using Console.Read()
you could redraw the 'game-area' for each move,
and spend time having fun with OO.
maybe IBrick knows when it hits IWall.
Or maybe IGame knows when a brick hits a wall.
Maybe the singleton Floor could raise an event
when it observes that a straight line has been done..

Lousy design, true, but it will get you going...

Are those serious proposals? You seem to be trying to construct unusually
difficult things for a first project.

I generally tell beginners to build a simple interactive Windows app with
some buttons and textboxes; when the button is pressed, have it read the
textboxes, do a calculation, and report the result in another textbox. From
there, it's a simple step to games, graphical display of data, etc.

[Michael Starberg]

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>>>I would love to but I need to get started from choosing one of them first
anyway.

First you need to learn to not top-post, if your message is not final.

Top-posting has come into wide use for a good reason. I challenge the
anti-top-posting crowd to enumerate the advantages of both bottom- and
top-posting. I'm afraid that for many people nowadays, telling others
not to top-post is merely a way of claiming status.

A: Because it ruines the flow of conversation.
Q: Why is top-posting bad?

That said, I often top-post.
But then I also clean-up and only leave relevant posts below.

I think it is fair to correct someone, while Alan surely ment no harm.
Also, I think you you are semi-correct on the 'claiming status' thingy.

It is not easy to join a new 'cluster' of friends in any situation.
Doesn't matter if it a rock-festival, a coktail-party or especially,
a usenet-cannel.

If I seems like a bigot to you,
then I semi-apologize for that

>>
Lousy design, true, but it will get you going...

Are those serious proposals? You seem to be trying to construct unusually
difficult things for a first project.

Yes, indeed. I am trying to get the basics of OO across
And this is not doing tetris from scratch in pure c.

If you have read my post, you'd see I asked questions.
Maybe Alan will start with learning how to get just one brick on a window.
Maybe interfaces will make him interested.
Maybe he needs simple OO theory.

>
I generally tell beginners to build a simple interactive Windows app with
some buttons and textboxes; when the button is pressed, have it read the
textboxes, do a calculation, and report the result in another textbox.
From there, it's a simple step to games, graphical display of data, etc.

Yep yep.
That would be a good start.
But by doing that, what have your pupil really learned?
Except using a mouse and keyboard?

I prefer to throw my pupils in the water
and tell them this would be a good time
to learn how to swim. =)

Alan:
Note that we are talking generally here,
noone is getting wet by force.
- Michael Starberg

[Michael A. Covington]

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>I generally tell beginners to build a simple interactive Windows app with
some buttons and textboxes; when the button is pressed, have it read the
textboxes, do a calculation, and report the result in another textbox.
From there, it's a simple step to games, graphical display of data, etc.

Yep yep.
That would be a good start.
But by doing that, what have your pupil really learned?
Except using a mouse and keyboard?

Obviously, they haven't learned much OOP yet. But they also aren't lost.
They have a foundation.

I prefer to throw my pupils in the water
and tell them this would be a good time
to learn how to swim. =)

How many of them drown? One of my goals (and I've been teaching for 27
years) is for everyone to succeed to the best of his/her ability -- for
nobody to get lost unnecessarily. I figure they're *all* paying tuition.

[Chris Shepherd]

Alan T wrote:

I am not sure which way to go:
Want to learn C# but C# is implemented both in Windows desktop application
and ASP.NET. I am not familiar with web programming, should I start with
Windows app or ASP .NET?

As Smithers mentioned, ASP.NET has a few extra complications to it.
Start simple with a WinForms app.

Chris.

[Cor Ligthert[MVP]]

Alan,

Take the one that gives you the most fun. Be aware that you need for ASP.Net
an open ASP.Net server, those are not always provided, you can use your own
computer as it is a professional version, however then your computer is
almost wide open if you have not very strong firewall hard- or software.

Beside that you need then a continuous connection to internet. I live in
Holland where that is common for most people, I assume that this is not
standard in Australia.

Cor