Compilers, parsing, etc...

[Jon Slaughter]

Is there anything like yacc or spirit for C#? What is the "standard" method
for parsing grammars in C#?

The last few days I have been looking at boost spirit and really like how it
works. What I was hoping for is a library that could take an ABNF grammar
and output C# code that represents that grammar. (A tree of classes that
contained the syntatic structure of the grammar which)

Right now a friend of mine is working on an parser and I helped him
implement the grammar in Spirit.

What I essentially did was write the grammar in spirit notation, write
classes of classes that had there fields filled with semantic actions
connected to the rules. There seems to be a duplicate of information though
and there seems to be some generalizations that could be made.

i.e.,

suppose we have the grammar

start ::= a | b | c
a ::= d | *f
b ::= *(c d)
c ::= f | *(f d)

where d and f are terminals

then the programmtic structure could be represented by

class start
{
_a a;
_b b;
_c c;
}

class _a
{
_d d;
list<_ff;
}

class _b
{
list<{_c, _d}cd
}

class _c
{
_f f;
list<{_f, _d}fd
}
where by {_c, _d} I mean two classes that are "combined" in some sense. ONe
could have

struct _cd
{
_c c;
_d d;
}

typedef [type of d] _d;
typedef [type of f] _f;

to represent that.
Anyways. The point is that it would seem that one could generate a
"programmat ic tree" from the grammar that would contain the data and one
then would just need a parser for it.

The problem that I'm having with bit spirit is that I'm having to code all
the actions that just stick in information into a recurively defined tree of
structures that essentially outline the grammar in the first place.

I'm not sure if one can have a "programmti c tree" like above for all
classes(it would seem any type of looping might cause problems).
I think all I want is some programmtic representation of the parsed data to
work with. While one probably can't represent all the needed information
using ABNF one probably could extend the it to handle most of the issues.
(such working with enums, etc...).

Maybe one can even represnt the rules as classes in a similar fashion I have
given above? I think this would end up following the lines of boost spirit
though except using classes/generics instead of templates.

Anyways, are there any libraries in C# that do this sorta thing?

Thanks,
Jon

[Lucian Wischik]

"Jon Slaughter" <Jo***********@ Hotmail.comwrot e:

>Is there anything like yacc or spirit for C#? What is the "standard" method
for parsing grammars in C#?

Antlr. You effectively end up using it like spirit when producing
ASTs. But it has a pre-processing step first.

(Actually, what I found most enjoyable was writing my parser in F#
with F#lex and F#yacc. F# is a .net language so it interops fine with
C#. And functional languages like F# just seem infintely more suited
to manipulating ASTs than imperative/OO languages.)

--
Lucian

[Fred Mellender]

I don't know if it will help, but you can get a good start on a parser in C#
by consulting http://www.frontiernet.net/~fredm/dps/Contents.htm , chapter
3. That contains the main logic for a parser, in about 200 statements.
Chapter 4 will show you how to build up the parse tree (with details left to
the reader :-) ).

"Jon Slaughter" <Jo***********@ Hotmail.comwrot e in message
news:0r******** *********@newss vr27.news.prodi gy.net...

Is there anything like yacc or spirit for C#? What is the "standard"
method for parsing grammars in C#?

The last few days I have been looking at boost spirit and really like how
it works. What I was hoping for is a library that could take an ABNF
grammar and output C# code that represents that grammar. (A tree of
classes that contained the syntatic structure of the grammar which)

Right now a friend of mine is working on an parser and I helped him
implement the grammar in Spirit.

What I essentially did was write the grammar in spirit notation, write
classes of classes that had there fields filled with semantic actions
connected to the rules. There seems to be a duplicate of information
though and there seems to be some generalizations that could be made.

i.e.,

suppose we have the grammar

start ::= a | b | c
a ::= d | *f
b ::= *(c d)
c ::= f | *(f d)

where d and f are terminals

then the programmtic structure could be represented by

class start
{
_a a;
_b b;
_c c;
}

class _a
{
_d d;
list<_ff;
}

class _b
{
list<{_c, _d}cd
}

class _c
{
_f f;
list<{_f, _d}fd
}
where by {_c, _d} I mean two classes that are "combined" in some sense.
ONe could have

struct _cd
{
_c c;
_d d;
}

typedef [type of d] _d;
typedef [type of f] _f;

to represent that.
Anyways. The point is that it would seem that one could generate a
"programmat ic tree" from the grammar that would contain the data and one
then would just need a parser for it.

The problem that I'm having with bit spirit is that I'm having to code all
the actions that just stick in information into a recurively defined tree
of structures that essentially outline the grammar in the first place.

I'm not sure if one can have a "programmti c tree" like above for all
classes(it would seem any type of looping might cause problems).
I think all I want is some programmtic representation of the parsed data
to work with. While one probably can't represent all the needed
information using ABNF one probably could extend the it to handle most of
the issues. (such working with enums, etc...).

Maybe one can even represnt the rules as classes in a similar fashion I
have given above? I think this would end up following the lines of boost
spirit though except using classes/generics instead of templates.

Anyways, are there any libraries in C# that do this sorta thing?

Thanks,
Jon

[Arne Vajhøj]

Jon Slaughter wrote:

Is there anything like yacc or spirit for C#? What is the "standard" method
for parsing grammars in C#?

The last few days I have been looking at boost spirit and really like how it
works. What I was hoping for is a library that could take an ABNF grammar
and output C# code that represents that grammar. (A tree of classes that
contained the syntatic structure of the grammar which)

Right now a friend of mine is working on an parser and I helped him
implement the grammar in Spirit.

What I essentially did was write the grammar in spirit notation, write
classes of classes that had there fields filled with semantic actions
connected to the rules. There seems to be a duplicate of information though
and there seems to be some generalizations that could be made.

i.e.,

suppose we have the grammar

start ::= a | b | c
a ::= d | *f
b ::= *(c d)
c ::= f | *(f d)

where d and f are terminals

then the programmtic structure could be represented by

class start
{
_a a;
_b b;
_c c;
}

class _a
{
_d d;
list<_ff;
}

class _b
{
list<{_c, _d}cd
}

class _c
{
_f f;
list<{_f, _d}fd
}
where by {_c, _d} I mean two classes that are "combined" in some sense. ONe
could have

struct _cd
{
_c c;
_d d;
}

typedef [type of d] _d;
typedef [type of f] _f;

to represent that.
Anyways. The point is that it would seem that one could generate a
"programmat ic tree" from the grammar that would contain the data and one
then would just need a parser for it.

The problem that I'm having with bit spirit is that I'm having to code all
the actions that just stick in information into a recurively defined tree of
structures that essentially outline the grammar in the first place.

I'm not sure if one can have a "programmti c tree" like above for all
classes(it would seem any type of looping might cause problems).
I think all I want is some programmtic representation of the parsed data to
work with. While one probably can't represent all the needed information
using ABNF one probably could extend the it to handle most of the issues.
(such working with enums, etc...).

Maybe one can even represnt the rules as classes in a similar fashion I have
given above? I think this would end up following the lines of boost spirit
though except using classes/generics instead of templates.

Anyways, are there any libraries in C# that do this sorta thing?

http://www.antlr.org/
http://grammatica.percederberg.net/index.html
http://www.ssw.uni-linz.ac.at/Coco/
http://home.earthlink.net/~slkpg/

etc.etc.

Pick a blue, red or yellow based on what you like.

Arne