Which IDE is better for C#, Borland C#Builder or VS.net 2003?

[smartwolf agassi via DotNetMonster.com]

I'm a C# language learner.
I want to know which IDE is better for C# programing, Borland C#Builder or
VS.net 2003?

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[William Stacey [MVP]]

Naturally VS ;) For learning you can download C# Express beta which is a
free product. SharpDevelop http://www.icsharpcode.net/opensource/sd/ makes
a pretty good one also for free.
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I'm a C# language learner.
I want to know which IDE is better for C# programing, Borland C#Builder or
VS.net 2003?

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[Wayne]

I used to be only a Delphi Developer and as such a very big Borland
supporter. However, that all changed with VS.net 2003. Company I work for
decided that we were going to conform to one .net langue, and that was C#.
All developers have an MSDN Universal subscription so which IDE to use was
simple choose for the company. However, I had gotten a copy of C# Builder
Arch from Borland. I no longer have that copy and use VS.net only.

No one was really better than the other, at least for the short time I used
both. The following are the two main reasons I gave up on Borland's tool:

1) working in VS.net all day and then going home and working in C# builder
was a pain, interfaces completely different.

2) most important, there is no C# builder beta for .net 2.0 beta yet, and
from what I know there won't be any time soon.

Borland will always be behind the curve on getting the new Ides' out, and
that alone will keep me with VS.net in the future. I really like to play
with the newest technology and I really like Generics in 2.0 and as such all
my personal development at home has been completely done in 2.0.

If all you are looking for is an IDE I would suggest that you go with
VS.net. However, Borland's C# arch, or rather Delphi 2005 arch (supports C#,
Delphi, and I've heard rumors of VB soon) comes with Together, and some
other tools for complete Software Development Life cycle. Though with team
systems coming out soon....

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That's relativity." - Albert Einstein

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I'm a C# language learner.
I want to know which IDE is better for C# programing, Borland C#Builder or
VS.net 2003?

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[Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu]

"William Stacey [MVP]" <st***********@ mvps.org> wrote in
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Naturally VS ;) For learning you can download C# Express beta which is a

It would be helpful to state reasons instead of just opinions. In fact it
seems that it is mostly user preference and many users like one over the
other and really what is best the user will need to look at both. There are
things in VS that just drive me crazy and are far better in Borland Dev
Studio, and vice versa.

Borland C# Builder is outdated though, and C# is now a personality in Delphi
2005.
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[Jon Shemitz]

> I want to know which IDE is better for C# programing, Borland C#Builder or

VS.net 2003?

I was a Borland user from Turbo Pascal 1.0 through Kylix.

VS.2003, pretty hands down. Among other things, once you get used to
the auto-formatter, you never want to go back.

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[Tim Jarvis]

smartwolf agassi via DotNetMonster.c om wrote:

I'm a C# language learner.
I want to know which IDE is better for C# programing, Borland
C#Builder or VS.net 2003?

I think that the answer to this is subjective, I use both, and both
have their strong points and both have their weak points (for me)

I would suggest getting hold of trial copies of both (and maybe even
sharp develop as well) and try it out and see. note as Chad says,
C#Builder is now defunct, its Delphi2005 that you would need to look
at, C# is one of the language personalities.

Cheers Tim.

[Indie Pop]

smartwolf agassi via DotNetMonster.c om wrote:

I'm a C# language learner.
I want to know which IDE is better for C# programing, Borland C#Builder or
VS.net 2003?

VS.net 2003 wins

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[William Stacey [MVP]]

> It would be helpful to state reasons instead of just opinions.

Did you notice the ";)" ? He also said a *new c# learner. So I pointed to
two free IDEs that will get him up to speed on c#. Naturally, you can use
vi or notepad and csc.exe if really prefer. Not sure if Borland has a free
IDE or not, so did not mention it and he did not mention Delphi at all. The
Borland IDE could be great, but VS has more then what most need or use (at
least for me) so why select another third party? Just to be different? If
you have an additional need such as Delphi, then you may have a compelling
argument to use Borland IDE for both. But for c#, I have a feeling that
there are a lot more eyes on VS so more issues are probably found and
workarounds posted and you have one spot to go and not the finger pointing
game. You don't have the battle of is it the runtime/framework issue or is
it an IDE integration issue with the Borland product and which one you call?
If you like ng support, most folks here will have some kind of answer on VS.
And naturally, all MS docs and samples are written focused on VS so a new
user will be battling the conversion to Borland symatics along with learning
the langauge. Use what you want, but IMO, you would need a really
compelling reason *not to use VS in favor of some other product for c#.

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[Tim Jarvis]

William Stacey [MVP] wrote:

he did not mention Delphi at all. The Borland IDE could be great,
but VS has more then what most need or use (at least for me) so why
select another third party? Just to be different? If you have an

Hi William,

It's a bit confusing that Borland's studio product is now just going by
the name of Delphi, however it is a studio product and includes C#,
Delphi for Win32 and Delphi for .NET, its also highly probable that
Borland C++ will also be included at a later date.

There is some technology included in the Borland IDE that may be
attractive to some, and some people may find this compelling enough to
spring for it. Enterprise Core Objects (ECO) for example is an OPF on
steroids and seriously cool, and it will only get better, its included
in Delphi. Also there are some native database components for Oracle,
DB2, Interbase etc, that provide faster and better connectivity than
the oleDB drivers. And remember that Delphi for win32 is right there in
the same IDE, so if for whatever reason you need to go native and don't
want to torture yourself with C++ you have a good option if you know
..NET then you are going to find the Visual Component Library (VCL)
trivial to learn.

So there are *some* decent reasons, might not be compelling for all but
are for some. I think its good to have choices.

Cheers Tim.

[Tim Jarvis]

Tim Jarvis wrote:

steroids and seriously cool, and it will only get better, its included
in Delphi

Just realised that might be confusing, I mean Delphi2005 the IDE studio
product, ECO supports the c# language as well as Delphi.