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Is "Whidbey" going to de-skill developers ?

Hi

I understand that ASP.net 2.0 (Whidbey) is going to reduce coding by
70%.

Surely this is going to de-skill or dumb down the developer's task and
open up the task of web development to less qualified and trained
staff.

Tell me if I'm wrong.
Nov 16 '05 #1
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Hasnt this already happened with the introduction of dotnet
"Fresh Air Rider" <Fr************ *@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Hi

I understand that ASP.net 2.0 (Whidbey) is going to reduce coding by
70%.

Surely this is going to de-skill or dumb down the developer's task and
open up the task of web development to less qualified and trained
staff.

Tell me if I'm wrong.

Nov 16 '05 #2
The Data Access Application Block cut down my ADO.NET code from anywhere of
50% to 90%.

I don't feel dumb.


"Fresh Air Rider" <Fr************ *@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:55******** *************** ***@posting.goo gle.com...
Hi

I understand that ASP.net 2.0 (Whidbey) is going to reduce coding by
70%.

Surely this is going to de-skill or dumb down the developer's task and
open up the task of web development to less qualified and trained
staff.

Tell me if I'm wrong.

Nov 16 '05 #3
> I understand that ASP.net 2.0 (Whidbey) is going to reduce coding by
70%.

Surely this is going to de-skill or dumb down the developer's task and
open up the task of web development to less qualified and trained
staff.

I do not believe so.

ASP.Net 2.0 is like adding an innovation in the building trades... like
prebuilt cabinets.

So we get prebuilt cabinets when designing a home. Sure, now we don't need
as many clever carpenters putting in cabinets to build a kitchen. On the
other hand, more houses will end up with more cabinets because they are
easier to put in and less expensive to do well.

The hard stuff is not the cabinets, or the plumbing, or the electrical. The
hard stuff is the architecture, the design, the internal spaces that people
live in.

Same thing goes for computing. We get one more tool, and it takes away a
little more of the grunt work. A real architect will use this code when it
works, and ignore it when it doesn't, without complaint. No one cares if
the design deviates from the "average every-day design" if the results are
beautiful in their own way. On the other hand, with more of the grunt work
done, we can focus on the hard stuff, the elegant stuff, the opportunity to
make something truly great.

So, those folks who can move closer to elegant design will continue to do
so. The folks who can do "sturdy cabinets", but nothing else, will go work
in RPG until they retire. If anything, the average IQ of the .Net developer
community goes up... not down.

--
--- Nick Malik [Microsoft]
MCSD, CFPS, Certified Scrummaster
http://blogs.msdn.com/nickmalik

Disclaimer: Opinions expressed in this forum are my own, and not
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I do not answer questions on behalf of my employer. I'm just a
programmer helping programmers.

Nov 16 '05 #4
my goodness, Eric. I never found that application block to be that useful.
I'll have to take another look.

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--- Nick Malik [Microsoft]
MCSD, CFPS, Certified Scrummaster
http://blogs.msdn.com/nickmalik

Disclaimer: Opinions expressed in this forum are my own, and not
representative of my employer.
I do not answer questions on behalf of my employer. I'm just a
programmer helping programmers.
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The Data Access Application Block cut down my ADO.NET code from anywhere of 50% to 90%.

I don't feel dumb.


"Fresh Air Rider" <Fr************ *@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:55******** *************** ***@posting.goo gle.com...
Hi

I understand that ASP.net 2.0 (Whidbey) is going to reduce coding by
70%.

Surely this is going to de-skill or dumb down the developer's task and
open up the task of web development to less qualified and trained
staff.

Tell me if I'm wrong.


Nov 16 '05 #5
Ciaran wrote:
Hasnt this already happened with the introduction of dotnet
If anything was going to replace developers, it would have been the rise of
the "applicatio n" server around 2000/2002. These soup-to-nuts servers
promised that every user could "develop" their own web applications.

Of course, we've heard that before, and now most of these companies are on
the verge of bankruptcy.

The one size fits all and "every man a programmer" approach sounds good to
management ( and many spent billions implementing it ) -- but the end
result: a couple of really good 'c' programmers can do the job a lot
cheaper, with more flexibility and faster than all this "easy to use
stuff".

Will a lot of companies spend a lot money buying Whidbey? Yes.

Will a lot of real world production projects, that serve millions of
customers with transactional processing get built with it? Nope.



"Fresh Air Rider" <Fr************ *@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:55******** *************** ***@posting.goo gle.com...
Hi

I understand that ASP.net 2.0 (Whidbey) is going to reduce coding by
70%.

Surely this is going to de-skill or dumb down the developer's task and
open up the task of web development to less qualified and trained
staff.

Tell me if I'm wrong.


Nov 16 '05 #6

I completely agree with Nick Malik. Technology is here to
simplify life and it builds on what has gone before.

Now with .NET simplifying things we can concentrate on the
architecture and design principles. This is obviously going
to need thought from the developer and cannot be classified
as a lesser skill

-----Original Message-----
Hi

I understand that ASP.net 2.0 (Whidbey) is going to reduce coding by70%.

Surely this is going to de-skill or dumb down the developer's task andopen up the task of web development to less qualified and trainedstaff.

Tell me if I'm wrong.
.

Nov 16 '05 #7
You're wrong ;-) they'll have time to do new and more important things - and
take advantage of all the cool new features.

Every new release makes stuff easier - but things get more and more
complex - not less and less complex b/c the bar gets raised and new things
become possible.

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W.G. Ryan MVP (Windows Embedded)

TiBA Solutions
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"Fresh Air Rider" <Fr************ *@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:55******** *************** ***@posting.goo gle.com...
Hi

I understand that ASP.net 2.0 (Whidbey) is going to reduce coding by
70%.

Surely this is going to de-skill or dumb down the developer's task and
open up the task of web development to less qualified and trained
staff.

Tell me if I'm wrong.

Nov 16 '05 #8
tribal wrote:
I completely agree with Nick Malik. Technology is here to
simplify life and it builds on what has gone before.


Anyone can learn English.

Very few people are Hemmingway.


Nov 16 '05 #9
Nick Malik [Microsoft] wrote:

ASP.Net 2.0 is like adding an innovation in the building trades... like
prebuilt cabinets.


Is it so hard to believe that Bill would cheat his own grandfather to make
another nickel?
Nov 16 '05 #10

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