I've Had Enough

[C# Learner]

I've had enough of C#. I've had enough of using parentheses for every
'if' statement. I've had enough of having to mix assignment of return
value of methods with flow control, making writing code that's both
readable and consistent, impossible.

C# is hindered by its predecessors and the Microsoft marketing
department. If Anders had his way, this language would be a one where
readable code isn't a near impossibility for non-trivial code; but no,
Microsoft marketing and C++/Java got in his way. The evidence is
blatently apparent in the language.

Microsoft, the company where money comes before technology, has struck
again. The repercussions affect us all.

[C# Learner]

Julie wrote:

I'll take the language any day. It is their sucky, buggy, deficient IDE that
gets my goat, day after day.

So far, their IDE can handle "hello world" class projects, but not much more...

The IDE seems pretty solid to me; but I guess it could be a case of
different machines, different setups, etc.

How about a deal: you take the language and I take the IDE ;-P

[C# Learner]

Reginald Blue wrote:

[...]
Just promise us that you won't start coding in Cobol.NET.

Well, I've never touched Cobol, so I can't appreciate how horrible it
might be, but I can tell you for certain that I'd never remotely
consider using Fortran! :-)

[Julie]

C# Learner wrote:

Julie wrote:

I'll take the language any day. It is their sucky, buggy, deficient IDE that
gets my goat, day after day.

So far, their IDE can handle "hello world" class projects, but not much more...

The IDE seems pretty solid to me; but I guess it could be a case of
different machines, different setups, etc.

How about a deal: you take the language and I take the IDE ;-P

Consider yourself lucky. Any commercial-scope project is way outside the
bounds of the IDE.

I'm currently working on one solution composed of maybe 30-40 projects of C#,
managed C++, and native C++, with multiple forms, controls, etc.

It is a battle to get through a day w/o numerous restarts due to the piece
getting hung up on itself. As we speak, the compiler can't build a project
because somewhere else the IDE has a file open (in this case, a debugging pdb
file). Closing all files, and even the project/solution doesn't solve the
problem, the only solution is to restart and rebuild.

A *major* piece of crap, but what should I expect, MS is run by a bunch of
snot-nosed adolescents that think they know everything.

[Daniel Pratt]

Hi C# Learner,

"C# Learner" <cs****@learner .here> wrote in message
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I've had enough of C#. I've had enough of using parentheses for every
'if' statement. I've had enough of having to mix assignment of return
value of methods with flow control, making writing code that's both
readable and consistent, impossible.

C# is hindered by its predecessors and the Microsoft marketing
department. If Anders had his way, this language would be a one where
readable code isn't a near impossibility for non-trivial code; but no,
Microsoft marketing and C++/Java got in his way. The evidence is
blatently apparent in the language.

Microsoft, the company where money comes before technology, has struck
again. The repercussions affect us all.

No language that I've encountered would I consider perfect. Not even
close. Any language that I've seen is either filled with compromises or is
practically useless (or both). Have you found a language you like better, or
are you considering another vocation?

Regards,
Daniel

[C# Learner]

Daniel Pratt wrote:

Hi C# Learner,

I've had enough of C#. I've had enough of using parentheses for every
'if' statement. I've had enough of having to mix assignment of return
value of methods with flow control, making writing code that's both
readable and consistent, impossible.

C# is hindered by its predecessors and the Microsoft marketing
department. If Anders had his way, this language would be a one where
readable code isn't a near impossibility for non-trivial code; but no,
Microsoft marketing and C++/Java got in his way. The evidence is
blatently apparent in the language.

Microsoft, the company where money comes before technology, has struck
again. The repercussions affect us all.
No language that I've encountered would I consider perfect.

I feel the same :-)
Not even
close. Any language that I've seen is either filled with compromises or is
practically useless (or both). Have you found a language you like better, or
are you considering another vocation?

I've been a Delphi person for some years. Delphi's a language that, I
feel, makes writing clear code easy, and writing hard-to-read code
difficult. With that said, I don't feel Delphi is perfect.

I'm thinking of giving Delphi 8 (for .NET) a spin. Though there is a
problem with that (IMO): it allows global data/routines :(

C# is a nice language in some ways, but it's too inhibited by
C/C++/Java, IMO.

I think that the ideal language would combine the best parts of C# and
Delphi.

I may, at some point in the future, design such a language mainly for
fun, and perhaps even make an MSIL compiler for it. It'd probably be a
massive waste of time though, in the larger scale of things.

[Trevor]

"C# Learner" <cs****@learner .here> wrote in message
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Daniel Pratt wrote:

Hi C# Learner,

I've had enough of C#. I've had enough of using parentheses for every
'if' statement. I've had enough of having to mix assignment of return
value of methods with flow control, making writing code that's both
readable and consistent, impossible.

C# is hindered by its predecessors and the Microsoft marketing
department. If Anders had his way, this language would be a one where
readable code isn't a near impossibility for non-trivial code; but no,
Microsoft marketing and C++/Java got in his way. The evidence is
blatently apparent in the language.

Microsoft, the company where money comes before technology, has struck
again. The repercussions affect us all.

No language that I've encountered would I consider perfect.

I feel the same :-)

Not even
close. Any language that I've seen is either filled with compromises or is practically useless (or both). Have you found a language you like better, or are you considering another vocation?

I've been a Delphi person for some years. Delphi's a language that, I
feel, makes writing clear code easy, and writing hard-to-read code
difficult. With that said, I don't feel Delphi is perfect.

I'm thinking of giving Delphi 8 (for .NET) a spin. Though there is a
problem with that (IMO): it allows global data/routines :(

C# is a nice language in some ways, but it's too inhibited by
C/C++/Java, IMO.

I think that the ideal language would combine the best parts of C# and
Delphi.

I may, at some point in the future, design such a language mainly for
fun, and perhaps even make an MSIL compiler for it. It'd probably be a
massive waste of time though, in the larger scale of things.

"Different strokes for different folks". While you find Delphi readable
and C style (based on C syntax - i.e., C, C++, Java, C#) code unreadable, I
find Delphi code unreadable. There isn't much you can do except find a
language that you are comfortable with and stick to it.

[Max Power]

C# Learner <cs****@learner .here> wrote in news:#g9rpoAHEH A.2576
@TK2MSFTNGP11.p hx.gbl:

I've had enough of C#. I've had enough of using parentheses for every
'if' statement. I've had enough of having to mix assignment of return
value of methods with flow control, making writing code that's both
readable and consistent, impossible.

C# is hindered by its predecessors and the Microsoft marketing
department. If Anders had his way, this language would be a one where
readable code isn't a near impossibility for non-trivial code; but no,
Microsoft marketing and C++/Java got in his way. The evidence is
blatently apparent in the language.

Microsoft, the company where money comes before technology, has struck
again. The repercussions affect us all.

Actually, C#/C++/Java were developed by nerds. The real problem is nerds,
not MS. ;-)

[Kevin P. Fleming]

C# Learner wrote:

For clarification, the difference with Delphi's returning mechanism is
that there's no need to declare the result variable, and no need to use
'return result;'.

So how then do you exit "early" from a function, if you have checked
input arguments and decided you already know the result without further
processing? Is your only choice to wrap the entire rest of the function
body inside an else block? If so, the code gets very unreadable very
quickly, especially if there multiple possible early exit points from
the function.

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

C# Learner <cs****@learner .here> wrote:

I've had enough of C#. I've had enough of using parentheses for every
'if' statement. I've had enough of having to mix assignment of return
value of methods with flow control, making writing code that's both
readable and consistent, impossible.

So use VB.NET instead - there's very little not to, if you don't like C
style syntax.

Why get annoyed by a language (and moan in an unconstructive way to
those who *do* like it) when there's a perfectly viable alternative?

Personally I'm very happy that C# is just the way it is, and wouldn't
like it to be any more like VB.NET (aside from having named indexers).
Isn't it a good thing that each of us can have a language which works
the way we want?

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