Open source programs in general suck pretty bad also. Here are some
loose facts regarding why projects like Linux, PHP, MYSQL, and
other open source programs suck:
- Linux is simply a clone of an operating system over 20 years
old similar to DOS (Unix). That's ALL Linux is. The kernal was taken,
decompiled, and stolen by Linus himself. That's a fact. Xerox
should have sued, but at the during the early 1991, no one was
really using Unix and Xerox had better things to do with their
recources than to sue someone steeling something what Xerox
doesnt care about. (ie: You can download lots of old games online
that were sold in stores, but these companies don't
care cause these games were in the past and don't currently make
them money so they really don't care what happens to them).
- Other open source project are MySQL, PHP, Perl, Apache, Mozilla..
These are key components of business such as web serving and database.
When Microsoft was smaller (around mid 90's), these products killed
Microsoft in performance and usablility. They were
the top choice for services and MS had crappier versions of the
same thing which no one liked or used.
- Eventually, Microsoft grew in money and power. They came out
with new OS's like Windows 2000 and then things began to change.
MS's SQL Server 2000 started beating out Oracle, IBM DB2,
and MySQL is speed and performance. People started to notice
this and began to migrate over to SQL Server 2000. Remeber that
business and the world are based off these 4 databases.
- iis 5.0 and ASP was realeased in 2000 and once again, the
benchmarks smoked competition. They *killed* Java, and beat out
PHP. An independant magazine developed identicle e-Commerce
web sites (like this) in PHP, asp, and JSP.
JSP - 17 pages per second.
PHP - 54 pages per second
asp - 80 pages per second (and with acceleated code and compression
was up to 160 pages)
Companies around that time popped up to push for Linux. One was
Red Hat Linux. This was a serious effort to make an OS to compete
with Microsoft Windows. Poeple poured millions into Red Hat stock.
Cause at that time, ALL high tech companies where hot.
Remember, Red Hat is GNU. Thus, they have to give you their
source code on each product given away or sold. In reality, their
products were being sold at future shop for profit and i assure you,
their lawyears would be coming after you if you compiled their code
and sold it for profit.
Fact is, Red Hat turned out to be a very poor, slow OS. It had many
features, but they simply didn't work (ie: their plug and play).
Star Office emerged and turned out to be a very buggy, poor,
and *extremely* slow Office suite.
By 2000+ and XP, Microsoft IIS 6.0 and .NET, Microsoft is now
killing *any* open source project in performance, reliability, and
ease of use. Oracle recently announced that you may NOT
publish benchmarks if you use their product. (that's because they
know they are now the slowest database).
Recently at a yearly hacking/sercurtiy confrence, contestants entered
and people over the week would try to hack into the
servers. One was Microsoft running IIS 6.0. There were over
80,000 hack attempts and not one person could get in. They
won. Linux based systems were hacked into instantly.
However, Red Hat. BSD, Linux does have Apache. And they also
have one very, very, important thing going for them to make them a
good choice for dB and web services: -> They are NOT Microsoft.
??? you ask?
Well, once you get to speak to network admins all day like I do,
there is a *good* reason to go the BSD, Linux route. There is
one thing that keeps these poorer, slower OS's and services alive
and used in the industry:
Viruses don't work on them.
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And this would be relevant to this group in what way?
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"Mike" <mi*********@ho tmail.com> wrote in message
news:E4******** ***********@new s04.bloor.is.ne t.cable.rogers. com... Open source programs in general suck pretty bad also. Here are some
loose facts regarding why projects like Linux, PHP, MYSQL, and
other open source programs suck:
- Linux is simply a clone of an operating system over 20 years
old similar to DOS (Unix). That's ALL Linux is. The kernal was taken,
decompiled, and stolen by Linus himself. That's a fact. Xerox
should have sued, but at the during the early 1991, no one was
really using Unix and Xerox had better things to do with their
recources than to sue someone steeling something what Xerox
doesnt care about. (ie: You can download lots of old games online
that were sold in stores, but these companies don't
care cause these games were in the past and don't currently make
them money so they really don't care what happens to them).
- Other open source project are MySQL, PHP, Perl, Apache, Mozilla..
These are key components of business such as web serving and database.
When Microsoft was smaller (around mid 90's), these products killed
Microsoft in performance and usablility. They were
the top choice for services and MS had crappier versions of the
same thing which no one liked or used.
- Eventually, Microsoft grew in money and power. They came out
with new OS's like Windows 2000 and then things began to change.
MS's SQL Server 2000 started beating out Oracle, IBM DB2,
and MySQL is speed and performance. People started to notice
this and began to migrate over to SQL Server 2000. Remeber that
business and the world are based off these 4 databases.
- iis 5.0 and ASP was realeased in 2000 and once again, the
benchmarks smoked competition. They *killed* Java, and beat out
PHP. An independant magazine developed identicle e-Commerce
web sites (like this) in PHP, asp, and JSP.
JSP - 17 pages per second.
PHP - 54 pages per second
asp - 80 pages per second (and with acceleated code and compression
was up to 160 pages)
Companies around that time popped up to push for Linux. One was
Red Hat Linux. This was a serious effort to make an OS to compete
with Microsoft Windows. Poeple poured millions into Red Hat stock.
Cause at that time, ALL high tech companies where hot.
Remember, Red Hat is GNU. Thus, they have to give you their
source code on each product given away or sold. In reality, their
products were being sold at future shop for profit and i assure you,
their lawyears would be coming after you if you compiled their code
and sold it for profit.
Fact is, Red Hat turned out to be a very poor, slow OS. It had many
features, but they simply didn't work (ie: their plug and play).
Star Office emerged and turned out to be a very buggy, poor,
and *extremely* slow Office suite.
By 2000+ and XP, Microsoft IIS 6.0 and .NET, Microsoft is now
killing *any* open source project in performance, reliability, and
ease of use. Oracle recently announced that you may NOT
publish benchmarks if you use their product. (that's because they
know they are now the slowest database).
Recently at a yearly hacking/sercurtiy confrence, contestants entered
and people over the week would try to hack into the
servers. One was Microsoft running IIS 6.0. There were over
80,000 hack attempts and not one person could get in. They
won. Linux based systems were hacked into instantly.
However, Red Hat. BSD, Linux does have Apache. And they also
have one very, very, important thing going for them to make them a
good choice for dB and web services: -> They are NOT Microsoft.
??? you ask?
Well, once you get to speak to network admins all day like I do,
there is a *good* reason to go the BSD, Linux route. There is
one thing that keeps these poorer, slower OS's and services alive
and used in the industry:
Viruses don't work on them.
production ? Linux ; ROFL, we use QNX
"Maziar Aflatoun" <ma***@rogers.c om> wrote in message
news:Bp******** ************@ne ws02.bloor.is.n et.cable.rogers .com... Seek help... for production environment Linux/FreeBSD still rule...
"Mike" <mi*********@ho tmail.com> wrote in message
news:E4******** ***********@new s04.bloor.is.ne t.cable.rogers. com... Open source programs in general suck pretty bad also. Here are some
loose facts regarding why projects like Linux, PHP, MYSQL, and
other open source programs suck:
- Linux is simply a clone of an operating system over 20 years
old similar to DOS (Unix). That's ALL Linux is. The kernal was taken,
decompiled, and stolen by Linus himself. That's a fact. Xerox
should have sued, but at the during the early 1991, no one was
really using Unix and Xerox had better things to do with their
recources than to sue someone steeling something what Xerox
doesnt care about. (ie: You can download lots of old games online
that were sold in stores, but these companies don't
care cause these games were in the past and don't currently make
them money so they really don't care what happens to them).
- Other open source project are MySQL, PHP, Perl, Apache, Mozilla..
These are key components of business such as web serving and database.
When Microsoft was smaller (around mid 90's), these products killed
Microsoft in performance and usablility. They were
the top choice for services and MS had crappier versions of the
same thing which no one liked or used.
- Eventually, Microsoft grew in money and power. They came out
with new OS's like Windows 2000 and then things began to change.
MS's SQL Server 2000 started beating out Oracle, IBM DB2,
and MySQL is speed and performance. People started to notice
this and began to migrate over to SQL Server 2000. Remeber that
business and the world are based off these 4 databases.
- iis 5.0 and ASP was realeased in 2000 and once again, the
benchmarks smoked competition. They *killed* Java, and beat out
PHP. An independant magazine developed identicle e-Commerce
web sites (like this) in PHP, asp, and JSP.
JSP - 17 pages per second.
PHP - 54 pages per second
asp - 80 pages per second (and with acceleated code and compression
was up to 160 pages)
Companies around that time popped up to push for Linux. One was
Red Hat Linux. This was a serious effort to make an OS to compete
with Microsoft Windows. Poeple poured millions into Red Hat stock.
Cause at that time, ALL high tech companies where hot.
Remember, Red Hat is GNU. Thus, they have to give you their
source code on each product given away or sold. In reality, their
products were being sold at future shop for profit and i assure you,
their lawyears would be coming after you if you compiled their code
and sold it for profit.
Fact is, Red Hat turned out to be a very poor, slow OS. It had many
features, but they simply didn't work (ie: their plug and play).
Star Office emerged and turned out to be a very buggy, poor,
and *extremely* slow Office suite.
By 2000+ and XP, Microsoft IIS 6.0 and .NET, Microsoft is now
killing *any* open source project in performance, reliability, and
ease of use. Oracle recently announced that you may NOT
publish benchmarks if you use their product. (that's because they
know they are now the slowest database).
Recently at a yearly hacking/sercurtiy confrence, contestants entered
and people over the week would try to hack into the
servers. One was Microsoft running IIS 6.0. There were over
80,000 hack attempts and not one person could get in. They
won. Linux based systems were hacked into instantly.
However, Red Hat. BSD, Linux does have Apache. And they also
have one very, very, important thing going for them to make them a
good choice for dB and web services: -> They are NOT Microsoft.
??? you ask?
Well, once you get to speak to network admins all day like I do,
there is a *good* reason to go the BSD, Linux route. There is
one thing that keeps these poorer, slower OS's and services alive
and used in the industry:
Viruses don't work on them.
"Mike" <mi*********@ho tmail.com> wrote: [... snipped lots of irrelevant advocacy ...]
Oracle recently announced that you may NOT
publish benchmarks if you use their product.
(that's because they know they are now the
slowest database).
Then why did Microsoft prohibit the publishing of benchmarks involving SQL
Server?
P.
-- www.CL4.org
Wow, there are just so many things here that are bullshit.
If MS is so great, why does Java own the app server market.
..NET is getting good, but come of it.
Also XEROX had nothing to do with UNIX, it came of of AT&T. For that
matter Windwos NT can be said to be a cousin of 30 year old VMS with a
MACH kernel to boot.
The legacy arguemnet is just so weak.
Paul E Collins wrote: "Mike" <mi*********@ho tmail.com> wrote:
[... snipped lots of irrelevant advocacy ...]
Oracle recently announced that you may NOT
publish benchmarks if you use their product.
(that's because they know they are now the
slowest database).
Then why did Microsoft prohibit the publishing of benchmarks involving SQL
Server?
P.
He doesn't know what he is talking about. Just search his email address in
Google Groups, and you'll see. A VB 'programmer'.
"batman1990 " <ig****@me.or g> wrote in message
news:1LKgb.7017 77$Ho3.154655@s ccrnsc03... Wow, there are just so many things here that are bullshit.
If MS is so great, why does Java own the app server market.
.NET is getting good, but come of it.
Also XEROX had nothing to do with UNIX, it came of of AT&T. For that
matter Windwos NT can be said to be a cousin of 30 year old VMS with a
MACH kernel to boot.
The legacy arguemnet is just so weak.
Paul E Collins wrote:
"Mike" <mi*********@ho tmail.com> wrote:
[... snipped lots of irrelevant advocacy ...]
Oracle recently announced that you may NOT
publish benchmarks if you use their product.
(that's because they know they are now the
slowest database).
Then why did Microsoft prohibit the publishing of benchmarks involving
SQL Server?
P.
<zane (_) abderaware.com (Zane Thomas)> wrote in message
news:3f******** ******@news.mic rosoft.com...
Windows and Linux are both obsolete:
http://abderaware.typepad.com/abdera...rt_of_war.html
Quite true, however I suspect we're stuck with it for a while yet to come.
Copying an old design is easy(which both Linux and Windows did to an
extent), coming up with something wholly new is something else...
The problem may not be that its hard to come up with ideas, but that its
hard to come up with ideas other people like.
--
What the caterpillar calls the end,
the rest of the world calls a butterfly.
~ Lao-tzu
Components For Thinkers
www.abderaware.com
zane @at@ abderaware .dot. com
Daniel, ... coming up with something wholly new is something else...
There is no shortage of relevant research and various implementations to play
with.
The problem may not be that its hard to come up with ideas, but that its
hard to come up with ideas other people like.
But the situation on the desktop is even more serious. Even assuming a good
idea for a componentized, secure ( http://blog.monstuff.com/archives/000102.html)
operating system, overcoming the stranglehold MS has on the desktop is The Major
Problem - IMO.
But let's try this idea: Suppose that you have an incrementally downloading OO
framework (perhaps derived from mono http://www.go-mono.com) and that the common
programs people currently pay MS a pile-o-cash for (word etc) could be replaced
with programs that run on that framework. And lots of shareware programs.
_Eventually_ wouldn't the OS become irrelevant?
The problem Linux, Lindows, BeOS, et al have had is that it's impractical to
knock Windows off the desktop overnight. A new strategy seems to be in order.
--
What the caterpillar calls the end,
the rest of the world calls a butterfly.
~ Lao-tzu
Components For Thinkers www.abderaware.com
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