new Ajax Site

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I'm about to finally make the jump and start a new site using AJAX. THe
question i have for all of you AJAX developers out there is which one?

1. The Standard AJAX frame work
2. The Tool kit.
3. Or are there others out there.
4. Should i not do AJAX at all because it still posts back the entire page
even though
only the section is refreshed. (someone tell me i'm wrong here and why
please!)

This is a big site with a lot of information and i'm a little concerned
about speed hits due to AJAX. Should i be?

thanks you and and all advise appreciated.

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thanks (as always)
some day i''m gona pay this forum back for all the help i''m getting
kes

[Mark Rae]

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3. Or are there others out there.

I use this almost exclusively:
http://anthemdotnet.com/
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http://www.markrae.net

[Lloyd Sheen]

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"WebBuilder451" <We***********@discussions.microsoft.comwrote in message
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>3. Or are there others out there.

I use this almost exclusively:
http://anthemdotnet.com/
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http://www.markrae.net

Going to their site gives runtime errors. Not a good start if their site
cannot use their controls without problems.

[Mark Rae]

"Lloyd Sheen" <[e-mail] in message
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Going to their site gives runtime errors. Not a good start if their site
cannot use their controls without problems.

Fair comment. I've sent them an email...
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[Mark Rae]

"Lloyd Sheen" <[e-mail] in message
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Going to their site gives runtime errors.

Seems to be fixed now...
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no other oppinions? Are all of you saying that the tool kit is not useful. Or
that this is the only realistic choice?

Thnaks
KES
--
thanks (as always)
some day i''m gona pay this forum back for all the help i''m getting
kes
"WebBuilder451" wrote:

I'm about to finally make the jump and start a new site using AJAX. THe
question i have for all of you AJAX developers out there is which one?

1. The Standard AJAX frame work
2. The Tool kit.
3. Or are there others out there.
4. Should i not do AJAX at all because it still posts back the entire page
even though
only the section is refreshed. (someone tell me i'm wrong here and why
please!)

This is a big site with a lot of information and i'm a little concerned
about speed hits due to AJAX. Should i be?

thanks you and and all advise appreciated.

--
thanks (as always)
some day i''m gona pay this forum back for all the help i''m getting
kes

[Lloyd Sheen]

"WebBuilder451" <We***********@discussions.microsoft.comwrote in message
news:55**********************************@microsof t.com...

no other oppinions? Are all of you saying that the tool kit is not useful.
Or
that this is the only realistic choice?

Thnaks
KES
--
thanks (as always)
some day i''m gona pay this forum back for all the help i''m getting
kes
"WebBuilder451" wrote:

>I'm about to finally make the jump and start a new site using AJAX. THe
question i have for all of you AJAX developers out there is which one?

1. The Standard AJAX frame work
2. The Tool kit.
3. Or are there others out there.
4. Should i not do AJAX at all because it still posts back the entire
page
even though
only the section is refreshed. (someone tell me i'm wrong here and why
please!)

This is a big site with a lot of information and i'm a little concerned
about speed hits due to AJAX. Should i be?

thanks you and and all advise appreciated.

--
thanks (as always)
some day i''m gona pay this forum back for all the help i''m getting
kes

I have been using a combo of the AJAX framework and the tool kit. I don't
think that development wise these products are really ready from a WYSIWYG
point of view. Once you use the controls much of the IDE will be lost to
you including Intellisence etc.

But the framework and toolkit do work. I got around some of the problems by
creating webcontrols and doing the debugging of those controls in a testbed
environment.

Another advantage is price (free) and there are lots of tutorials and videos
to get you started.

Lloyd Sheen

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I appreciate the continued indulgence on my part.

1. Does this mean this is really not ready for a large site.
2. are there others that are fully functional even if they need t obe
purchesed?
3. again i really need to ask the response question. Because the call-back
really does a posting with the entire page (so it was demonstrated at a
dot.net usergroup meeting) have you noticed a tack of responsiveness?

to clarify: The site i'm going to be upgrading contains stock market data
and analysis information totalling about 50,000+ charts and reports. These
reports and charts are created using normalized and denormalized data.
ColdFusion handles the current very well, but the future is dot.net (so the
holy church of MS says). So the final question for me is to AJAX or not?

Thanks I'll buy you lunch if you ever get to Chicago.
KES
--
thanks (as always)
some day i''m gona pay this forum back for all the help i''m getting
kes
"Lloyd Sheen" wrote:

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"WebBuilder451" <We***********@discussions.microsoft.comwrote in message
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no other oppinions? Are all of you saying that the tool kit is not useful.
Or
that this is the only realistic choice?

Thnaks
KES
--
thanks (as always)
some day i''m gona pay this forum back for all the help i''m getting
kes
"WebBuilder451" wrote:

I'm about to finally make the jump and start a new site using AJAX. THe
question i have for all of you AJAX developers out there is which one?

1. The Standard AJAX frame work
2. The Tool kit.
3. Or are there others out there.
4. Should i not do AJAX at all because it still posts back the entire
page
even though
only the section is refreshed. (someone tell me i'm wrong here and why
please!)

This is a big site with a lot of information and i'm a little concerned
about speed hits due to AJAX. Should i be?

thanks you and and all advise appreciated.

--
thanks (as always)
some day i''m gona pay this forum back for all the help i''m getting
kes

I have been using a combo of the AJAX framework and the tool kit. I don't
think that development wise these products are really ready from a WYSIWYG
point of view. Once you use the controls much of the IDE will be lost to
you including Intellisence etc.

But the framework and toolkit do work. I got around some of the problems by
creating webcontrols and doing the debugging of those controls in a testbed
environment.

Another advantage is price (free) and there are lots of tutorials and videos
to get you started.

Lloyd Sheen

[Steve C. Orr [MCSD, MVP, CSM, ASP Insider]]

You should use ASP.NET AJAX because it is Microsoft's solution that will
soon be integrated directly into ASP.NET and Visual Studio (Orcas).
http://ajax.asp.net/
Additionally, you can add on the AJAX Control Toolkit in cases where it's
beneficial to you.

You do not necessarily need to post the whole page back during an AJAX call;
it is configurable in a variety of ways and supports a variety of ways to do
AJAX calls.

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I hope this helps,
Steve C. Orr,
MCSD, MVP, CSM, ASPInsider
http://SteveOrr.net

"WebBuilder451" <We***********@discussions.microsoft.comwrote in message
news:48**********************************@microsof t.com...

I'm about to finally make the jump and start a new site using AJAX. THe
question i have for all of you AJAX developers out there is which one?

1. The Standard AJAX frame work
2. The Tool kit.
3. Or are there others out there.
4. Should i not do AJAX at all because it still posts back the entire page
even though
only the section is refreshed. (someone tell me i'm wrong here and why
please!)

This is a big site with a lot of information and i'm a little concerned
about speed hits due to AJAX. Should i be?

thanks you and and all advise appreciated.

--
thanks (as always)
some day i''m gona pay this forum back for all the help i''m getting
kes