Application object in web farm

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We are considering moving from using several seperate webservers to a web
farm. I was lookingg at implementing a start server to manage state for the
web farm.

The problem is, how do we keep the Application object consistent between all
web servers? As far as I read the state server only manages session state
and not application state.

I would like to avoid setting up our load balancer using sticky. What
options do I have for caching since the Application object may not be valid
if a user has come from a different web server.

How have other people dealt with managing application state.

[Karl Seguin [MVP]]

There's really nothing built-in to handle this. Memcached is a useful and
free tool that we've used before with success:
http://www.danga.com/memcached/

Otherwise, synchronization is a pain...

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We are considering moving from using several seperate webservers to a web
farm. I was lookingg at implementing a start server to manage state for
the
web farm.

The problem is, how do we keep the Application object consistent between
all
web servers? As far as I read the state server only manages session state
and not application state.

I would like to avoid setting up our load balancer using sticky. What
options do I have for caching since the Application object may not be
valid
if a user has come from a different web server.

How have other people dealt with managing application state.

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This named-pipes cache service I put together some time ago may be useful to
you:
http://www.eggheadcafe.com/articles/20060404.asp

Peter

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"Chris Cap" wrote:

We are considering moving from using several seperate webservers to a web
farm. I was lookingg at implementing a start server to manage state for the
web farm.

The problem is, how do we keep the Application object consistent between all
web servers? As far as I read the state server only manages session state
and not application state.

I would like to avoid setting up our load balancer using sticky. What
options do I have for caching since the Application object may not be valid
if a user has come from a different web server.

How have other people dealt with managing application state.

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Thanks Peter. My initial thought was to implement either a webservice or
remotedsingleto n object to do the same thing. I agree with your esimtation
of webservices or remoting in this regard. However, I am a littlehestitant
to implement something that involves PInvoke simply because my team isn't
that familiar with COM Interop and it would be difficult to maintain.

What is your estimation of using a web service in a similar manner as far as
speed and expandibility?

Thanks for your help, you've given me some great ideas.
"Peter Bromberg [C# MVP]" wrote:

This named-pipes cache service I put together some time ago may be useful to
you:
http://www.eggheadcafe.com/articles/20060404.asp

Peter

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"Chris Cap" wrote:

We are considering moving from using several seperate webservers to a web
farm. I was lookingg at implementing a start server to manage state for the
web farm.

The problem is, how do we keep the Application object consistent between all
web servers? As far as I read the state server only manages session state
and not application state.

I would like to avoid setting up our load balancer using sticky. What
options do I have for caching since the Application object may not be valid
if a user has come from a different web server.

How have other people dealt with managing application state.

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There is no COM Interop involved in the solution I linked to. Strictly Win32
calls.
Peter

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"Chris Cap" wrote:

Thanks Peter. My initial thought was to implement either a webservice or
remotedsingleto n object to do the same thing. I agree with your esimtation
of webservices or remoting in this regard. However, I am a littlehestitant
to implement something that involves PInvoke simply because my team isn't
that familiar with COM Interop and it would be difficult to maintain.

What is your estimation of using a web service in a similar manner as far as
speed and expandibility?

Thanks for your help, you've given me some great ideas.
"Peter Bromberg [C# MVP]" wrote:

This named-pipes cache service I put together some time ago may be useful to
you:
http://www.eggheadcafe.com/articles/20060404.asp

Peter

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Site: http://www.eggheadcafe.com
UnBlog: http://petesbloggerama.blogspot.com
Short urls & more: http://ittyurl.net


"Chris Cap" wrote:

We are considering moving from using several seperate webservers to a web
farm. I was lookingg at implementing a start server to manage state for the
web farm.
>
The problem is, how do we keep the Application object consistent between all
web servers? As far as I read the state server only manages session state
and not application state.
>
I would like to avoid setting up our load balancer using sticky. What
options do I have for caching since the Application object may not be valid
if a user has come from a different web server.
>
How have other people dealt with managing application state.

[Steven Cheng[MSFT]]

Thanks for Peter's input.

Hi Chris,

Peter's namedpipe caching service does have better performance compare to
other distributed computing components. And yes, for your scenario if
you're not quite experienced at unmanaged code interop in .net framework,
it would be a bit difficult to maintain the caching service's code.

I've got an idea on using Sql Server to store the Application state
variables that will be used by all the servers in your webfarm environment.
You can create a dedicated database and table in sqlserver to store the
application state data and in all those webfarm ASP.NET applications, you
just use standard ADO.NET code to query and update the data in SQL Server
database table. One additional benefit here is that you can utilize the
new SQL Server cache dependeny featuer in ASP.NET 2.0. You can regsiter the
sql cache dependency against the central SQL Server database and table in
all those ASP.NET webfarm applications, then, whenever the database
table(applicati on variable data) got changed, those ASP.NET application can
get notified(or detect) and invalid the old cached local copy of the data
and requery the updated data from backend database table. This feature is
supported with both SQL Server 2000 and SQL Server 2005:
#Caching in ASP.NET with the SqlCacheDepende ncy Class
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms178604.aspx

#ASP.NET Caching: SQL Cache Dependency With SQL Server 2000
http://www.c-sharpcorner.com/UploadF...ndency01292006
135138PM/sqlcachedepende ncy.aspx?Articl eID=3caa7d32-dce0-44dc-8769-77f8448e7
6bc

#Using SqlDependency in an ASP.NET Application
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/9dz445ks.aspx

Hope this also helps.

Sincerely,

Steven Cheng

Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead

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Thanks Steven. That's a good idea and it should be fiarly easy to implement.

"Steven Cheng[MSFT]" wrote:

Thanks for Peter's input.

Hi Chris,

Peter's namedpipe caching service does have better performance compare to
other distributed computing components. And yes, for your scenario if
you're not quite experienced at unmanaged code interop in .net framework,
it would be a bit difficult to maintain the caching service's code.

I've got an idea on using Sql Server to store the Application state
variables that will be used by all the servers in your webfarm environment.
You can create a dedicated database and table in sqlserver to store the
application state data and in all those webfarm ASP.NET applications, you
just use standard ADO.NET code to query and update the data in SQL Server
database table. One additional benefit here is that you can utilize the
new SQL Server cache dependeny featuer in ASP.NET 2.0. You can regsiter the
sql cache dependency against the central SQL Server database and table in
all those ASP.NET webfarm applications, then, whenever the database
table(applicati on variable data) got changed, those ASP.NET application can
get notified(or detect) and invalid the old cached local copy of the data
and requery the updated data from backend database table. This feature is
supported with both SQL Server 2000 and SQL Server 2005:
#Caching in ASP.NET with the SqlCacheDepende ncy Class
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms178604.aspx

#ASP.NET Caching: SQL Cache Dependency With SQL Server 2000
http://www.c-sharpcorner.com/UploadF...ndency01292006
135138PM/sqlcachedepende ncy.aspx?Articl eID=3caa7d32-dce0-44dc-8769-77f8448e7
6bc

#Using SqlDependency in an ASP.NET Application
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/9dz445ks.aspx

Hope this also helps.

Sincerely,

Steven Cheng

Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead

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Just in case: there are several third party products on the market that may
be helpful here. For example, StateMirror (www.statemirror.com) supports
application cache replication.