Visual Studio.NET 2005 Service Pack 1

[Mark Rae]

http://msdn.microsoft.com:80/vstudio...1/default.aspx

1) This is big - nearly 500Mb

2) If you have WAP installed, you must uninstall it first - WDP doesn't need
to be uninstalled

3) It will almost certainly take over an hour to install!!!

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Just poking fun, Juan.
:-)
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"Juan T. Llibre" wrote:

re:

1) Create a new web application project
2) Right-click the project in Solution Explorer
3) Click Add, New Item
4) Select Global Application Class
5) Click Add
What do you get...?

A global.asax *without* a codebehind file.
What do you get ?

re:

Besides, why work against what the ASP.NET Dev Team
decided was a better way to implement global.asax ?

So why doesn't one get created by default, or by adding a new Global file...?

Not all applications need a global.asax file.
Why add a global.asax file by default to applications which don't need it ?

To those that do need it, as determined by the developer,
one can be added although, as noted, it won't have a codebehind file.

The key, Mark, is that ASP.NET 2.0's (and, therefore VS 2005's)
default global.asax file does *not* use codebehind because you
can do anything inline, in a global.asax file, which you can do in
a global.asax codebehind file, so why go to the extra trouble ?

To top it all, if you use a codebehind file, which you can still do,
as the procedure I outlined proves, you will be compiling the code twice.

Once to compile global.asax.cs' s codebehind and another time to merge
global.asax.cs' s compilation with the compilation which global.asax will require anyway.

That seems more than a bit wasteful.


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"Mark Rae" <ma**@markNOSPA Mrae.comwrote in message news:uX******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP02.phx.gbl...

"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@ nowhere.comwrot e in message
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re:
It's nowhere, obviously, because it's not needed here

ASP.NET 2.0 has gone away from the code behind model
to the inline script model for its Global.asax pages.

1) Create a new web application project

2) Right-click the project in Solution Explorer

3) Click Add, New Item

4) Select Global Application Class

5) Click Add

What do you get...?

Besides, why work against what the ASP.NET Dev Team
decided was a better way to implement global.asax ?

So why doesn't one get created by default, or by adding a new Global file...?

[Mark Rae]

"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@ nowhere.comwrot e in message
news:ur******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP03.phx.gbl...

Yup. It dawned on me that was the reason.

:-)

I don't know why Peter called our exchanges a "diatribe", though.

Me neither.

"Diatribe" means : "a thunderous verbal attack".
Neither of us was doing that, were we ?

I don't believe so...

Mr. Barnard: WHADDAYOU WANT?
Man: Well, I was told outside that...
Mr. Barnard: DON'T GIVE ME THAT, YOU SNOTTY-FACED HEAP OF PARROT
DROPPINGS!
Man: What?
Mr. Barnard: SHUT YOUR FESTERING GOB, YOU TIT! YOUR TYPE REALLY MAKES
ME PUKE! YOU VACUOUS TOFFEE-NOSED MALODOROUS PERVERT!!!
Man: Look, I came here for an argument! I'm not just going to stand
here...
Mr. Barnard: OH! Oh! I'm sorry! This is abuse!
Man: Oh I see! Well, that explains it...
Mr. Barnard: Aha! No, you want room 12A, just along the corridor.
Man: Oh...Thank you very much...Sorry...
Mr. Barnard: Not at all!
Man: Thank you. (Leaves)
Mr. Barnard: (under his breath) Stupid git.

[Juan T. Llibre]

I figured as much, Peter.

;-)

When two people go back as far as we do, it's easy
to figure out the intent in almost anything we write.

To others who don't know that, it might not be as easy.

That's why I sought an explanation : for their benefit.


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"Peter Bromberg [C# MVP]" <pb*******@yaho o.nospammin.com wrote in message
news:6A******** *************** ***********@mic rosoft.com...

Just poking fun, Juan.
:-)
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http://www.eggheadcafe.com
UnBlog:
http://petesbloggerama.blogspot.com

"Juan T. Llibre" wrote:

>re:

1) Create a new web application project
2) Right-click the project in Solution Explorer
3) Click Add, New Item
4) Select Global Application Class
5) Click Add
What do you get...?

A global.asax *without* a codebehind file.
What do you get ?

re:

>Besides, why work against what the ASP.NET Dev Team
decided was a better way to implement global.asax ?

So why doesn't one get created by default, or by adding a new Global file...?

Not all applications need a global.asax file.
Why add a global.asax file by default to applications which don't need it ?

To those that do need it, as determined by the developer,
one can be added although, as noted, it won't have a codebehind file.

The key, Mark, is that ASP.NET 2.0's (and, therefore VS 2005's)
default global.asax file does *not* use codebehind because you
can do anything inline, in a global.asax file, which you can do in
a global.asax codebehind file, so why go to the extra trouble ?

To top it all, if you use a codebehind file, which you can still do,
as the procedure I outlined proves, you will be compiling the code twice.

Once to compile global.asax.cs' s codebehind and another time to merge
global.asax.cs 's compilation with the compilation which global.asax will require anyway.

That seems more than a bit wasteful.


Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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"Mark Rae" <ma**@markNOSPA Mrae.comwrote in message
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"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@ nowhere.comwrot e in message
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re:
It's nowhere, obviously, because it's not needed here

ASP.NET 2.0 has gone away from the code behind model
to the inline script model for its Global.asax pages.

1) Create a new web application project

2) Right-click the project in Solution Explorer

3) Click Add, New Item

4) Select Global Application Class

5) Click Add

What do you get...?

Besides, why work against what the ASP.NET Dev Team
decided was a better way to implement global.asax ?

So why doesn't one get created by default, or by adding a new Global file...?

[clintonG]

My instance of the installer has been running almost 24 hours. It doesn't
like any applications to be open notably IE so you might as well play guitar
for awhile and keep an eye on the progress in case you have to intervene.

I still can't download any of the Expression Suite applications [1] and
msdn2.microsoft .com is still FUBAR.

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[1] http://www.microsoft.com/products/ex...n/default.mspx
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@ nowhere.comwrot e in message
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re:

>Didn't do it yet. Your word of caution (as well as others I read) made me
decide to wait until I find a good time.

I figure we're headed for there anyway, so I installed it right away.
No problem so far.


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"Laurent Bugnion" <ga*********@bl uewin.chwrote in message
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>Hi,

Mark Rae wrote:

>>"Laurent Bugnion" <ga*********@bl uewin.chwrote in message
news:O1****** ********@TK2MSF TNGP06.phx.gbl. ..

It took me 3 minutes to download the SP1.

And how long to install it...?

Didn't do it yet. Your word of caution (as well as others I read) made me
decide to wait until I find a good time.

Greetings,
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[Mark Rae]

"clintonG" <cs*********@RE MOVETHISTEXTmet romilwaukee.com wrote in message
news:ul******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP02.phx.gbl...

My instance of the installer has been running almost 24 hours.

24 hours!!!!!????? I'm impressed that you managed to install VS.NET 2005 on
a 286... ;-)

That can't be normal, surely...!

Has it hung, perhaps?

Is the progress bar actually moving at all...?

How much processor time / memory is it using...?

[clintonG]

I kid you not and its still gathering required information...n oting over
that period of time the installer paused to tell me I had to close certain
applications and then retry after which the progress bar picks right back up
as expected. This installer likes nothing running. Not IE, not WinAmp and I
closed down all tasktray apps except McAfee which will probably cause a
conflict sooner or later itself.

<%= Clinton Gallagher

"Mark Rae" <ma**@markNOSPA Mrae.comwrote in message
news:uU******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP03.phx.gbl...

"clintonG" <cs*********@RE MOVETHISTEXTmet romilwaukee.com wrote in message
news:ul******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP02.phx.gbl...

>My instance of the installer has been running almost 24 hours.

24 hours!!!!!????? I'm impressed that you managed to install VS.NET 2005
on a 286... ;-)

That can't be normal, surely...!

Has it hung, perhaps?

Is the progress bar actually moving at all...?

How much processor time / memory is it using...?

[Mark Rae]

"clintonG" <cs*********@RE MOVETHISTEXTmet romilwaukee.com wrote in message
news:eh******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P02.phx.gbl...

I kid you not and its still gathering required information...n oting over
that period of time the installer paused to tell me I had to close certain
applications and then retry after which the progress bar picks right back
up as expected. This installer likes nothing running. Not IE, not WinAmp
and I closed down all tasktray apps except McAfee which will probably
cause a conflict sooner or later itself.

Hmm - I never like advising people to kill a running process, especially a
software patch, but there's clearly something getting in its way...

Have you considered rebooting the machine, switching off everything bar the
bare essentials and then trying again...?

[Juan T. Llibre]

re:

I closed down all tasktray apps except McAfee

I suspect that's the reason for the slow install.

If every time setup creates a new file McAfee has to scan it,
and since setup creates thousands of new files...

Have you tried stopping McAffee until setup finishes ?

Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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"clintonG" <cs*********@RE MOVETHISTEXTmet romilwaukee.com wrote in message
news:eh******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P02.phx.gbl...

>I kid you not and its still gathering required information...n oting over that period of time the
installer paused to tell me I had to close certain applications and then retry after which the
progress bar picks right back up as expected. This installer likes nothing running. Not IE, not
WinAmp and I closed down all tasktray apps except McAfee which will probably cause a conflict
sooner or later itself.

<%= Clinton Gallagher

"Mark Rae" <ma**@markNOSPA Mrae.comwrote in message news:uU******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP03.phx.gbl...

>"clintonG" <cs*********@RE MOVETHISTEXTmet romilwaukee.com wrote in message
news:ul******* *******@TK2MSFT NGP02.phx.gbl.. .

>>My instance of the installer has been running almost 24 hours.

24 hours!!!!!????? I'm impressed that you managed to install VS.NET 2005 on a 286... ;-)

That can't be normal, surely...!

Has it hung, perhaps?

Is the progress bar actually moving at all...?

How much processor time / memory is it using...?

[clintonG]

My install has finally finished successfully. Disabling the current install
of McAfee is nearly impossible. The UI has turned into a POS and I am going
to write them about this as managing their software has become inaccessible
from the tasktray requiring several manual operations to disable and
re-enable services.

At breakfast this morning I was also thinking about the paging file which I
surmised the VSSP1 installer may be using. I haven't been able to get past
the Continue button to the download page for any of the Expression
applications so in my still unsuccessful attempts to troubleshoot I have
disabled paging on c:\ and relocated the paging file to a second disk set to
a fixed Custom Size. I just reset on to allow System managed size so I have
to go reboot now... :-)

<%= Clinton Gallagher
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@ nowhere.comwrot e in message
news:ex******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP03.phx.gbl...

re:

>I closed down all tasktray apps except McAfee

I suspect that's the reason for the slow install.

If every time setup creates a new file McAfee has to scan it,
and since setup creates thousands of new files...

Have you tried stopping McAffee until setup finishes ?

Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
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"clintonG" <cs*********@RE MOVETHISTEXTmet romilwaukee.com wrote in message
news:eh******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P02.phx.gbl...

>>I kid you not and its still gathering required information...n oting over
that period of time the installer paused to tell me I had to close certain
application s and then retry after which the progress bar picks right back
up as expected. This installer likes nothing running. Not IE, not WinAmp
and I closed down all tasktray apps except McAfee which will probably
cause a conflict sooner or later itself.

<%= Clinton Gallagher

"Mark Rae" <ma**@markNOSPA Mrae.comwrote in message
news:uU******* *******@TK2MSFT NGP03.phx.gbl.. .

>>"clintonG" <cs*********@RE MOVETHISTEXTmet romilwaukee.com wrote in
message news:ul******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP02.phx.gbl...

My instance of the installer has been running almost 24 hours.

24 hours!!!!!????? I'm impressed that you managed to install VS.NET 2005
on a 286... ;-)

That can't be normal, surely...!

Has it hung, perhaps?

Is the progress bar actually moving at all...?

How much processor time / memory is it using...?

[Michael D. Ober]

I have installed it on three systems - one W2K SP4, and two XP SP2. On the
W2K and one of the XP boxes, it took about 4 hours. On the other XP box, it
took about 30 minutes. All have VS 2005 Standard. The only thing that was
really different was that the 30 minute install didn't have _ANY_ MS Office
applications started (not running, but simply started and closed). Once
again MS is doing too much integration of applications with the OS.

Mike Ober.

"clintonG" <cs*********@RE MOVETHISTEXTmet romilwaukee.com wrote in message
news:uf******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP04.phx.gbl...

My install has finally finished successfully. Disabling the current
install of McAfee is nearly impossible. The UI has turned into a POS and I
am going to write them about this as managing their software has become
inaccessible from the tasktray requiring several manual operations to
disable and re-enable services.

At breakfast this morning I was also thinking about the paging file which
I surmised the VSSP1 installer may be using. I haven't been able to get
past the Continue button to the download page for any of the Expression
applications so in my still unsuccessful attempts to troubleshoot I have
disabled paging on c:\ and relocated the paging file to a second disk set
to a fixed Custom Size. I just reset on to allow System managed size so I
have to go reboot now... :-)

<%= Clinton Gallagher
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@ nowhere.comwrot e in message
news:ex******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP03.phx.gbl...

>re:

>>I closed down all tasktray apps except McAfee

I suspect that's the reason for the slow install.

If every time setup creates a new file McAfee has to scan it,
and since setup creates thousands of new files...

Have you tried stopping McAffee until setup finishes ?

Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
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"clintonG" <cs*********@RE MOVETHISTEXTmet romilwaukee.com wrote in
message news:eh******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P02.phx.gbl...

>>>I kid you not and its still gathering required information...n oting over
that period of time the installer paused to tell me I had to close
certain applications and then retry after which the progress bar picks
right back up as expected. This installer likes nothing running. Not IE,
not WinAmp and I closed down all tasktray apps except McAfee which will
probably cause a conflict sooner or later itself.

<%= Clinton Gallagher

"Mark Rae" <ma**@markNOSPA Mrae.comwrote in message
news:uU****** ********@TK2MSF TNGP03.phx.gbl. ..
"clintonG" <cs*********@RE MOVETHISTEXTmet romilwaukee.com wrote in
message news:ul******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP02.phx.gbl...

My instance of the installer has been running almost 24 hours.

24 hours!!!!!????? I'm impressed that you managed to install VS.NET
2005 on a 286... ;-)

That can't be normal, surely...!

Has it hung, perhaps?

Is the progress bar actually moving at all...?

How much processor time / memory is it using...?