Master pages vs frames

[David Thielen]

Hi;

Any strong arguments on using master pages vs frames when the header &
footer are always the same and the main body is the part that keeps changing?

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thanks - dave

[Steve C. Orr [MVP, MCSD]]

Frames can be a pain in the butt since they require a good amount of client
side code to keep everything in sync because the pages never exist on the
server at the same point in time.
MasterPages don't suffer from this problem. Plus, with all the different
kinds of caching that can be done in ASP.NET 2.0 there's really no need to
resort to frames.

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I hope this helps,
Steve C. Orr, MCSD, MVP
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Hi;

Any strong arguments on using master pages vs frames when the header &
footer are always the same and the main body is the part that keeps
changing?

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thanks - dave

[Peter Bromberg [C# MVP]]

Frames are just downright evil. Avoid using them if you possibly can.
Peter
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"David Thielen" wrote:

Hi;

Any strong arguments on using master pages vs frames when the header &
footer are always the same and the main body is the part that keeps changing?

--
thanks - dave

[Jon Paal]

people can bust out of frames, but can't bust out of a master page
"David Thielen" <th*****@nospam .nospam> wrote in message news:E3******** *************** ***********@mic rosoft.com...

Hi;

Any strong arguments on using master pages vs frames when the header &
footer are always the same and the main body is the part that keeps changing?

--
thanks - dave

[David Thielen]

Ok - no frames.

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thanks - dave
"Peter Bromberg [C# MVP]" wrote:

Frames are just downright evil. Avoid using them if you possibly can.
Peter
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Co-founder, Eggheadcafe.com developer portal:
http://www.eggheadcafe.com
UnBlog:
http://petesbloggerama.blogspot.com


"David Thielen" wrote:

Hi;

Any strong arguments on using master pages vs frames when the header &
footer are always the same and the main body is the part that keeps changing?

--
thanks - dave

[Laurent Bugnion]

Hi,

Steve C. Orr [MVP, MCSD] wrote:

Frames can be a pain in the butt since they require a good amount of client
side code to keep everything in sync because the pages never exist on the
server at the same point in time.
MasterPages don't suffer from this problem. Plus, with all the different
kinds of caching that can be done in ASP.NET 2.0 there's really no need to
resort to frames.

Sorry to piggyback, I lost the original message.

Also, frames work against the web paradigm, which is that to each URL
corresponds one single resource. When you use frames, one single URL can
display different content. I don't say it should be avoided, just that
one should be aware of this aspect too.

HTH,
Laurent
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[HongQuan Wu[MSFT]]

Hi Dave,

Thank you for contacting Microsoft.

Master page is a new feature introduced in ASP.NET 2.0. It gives you a
simple way to ensure the consistent look and feel to an entire application.
Here are some suggestions for whether to use Master page or Frame.

We usually use Master page when

1. Not concerned about a full page refresh
2. Development requires a highly modifiable inheritable page standard and
users will live with a page refresh
3. Need to be allow the user to bookmark a specific page

We usually use Frame when

1. Don't want full page refreshes
2. Have complex asp: control driven pages which can't be refreshed by data
only i.e. the asp: controls need to be generated into html by the web
server first
3. Need multiple areas of the page to be refreshed at different times by
the user

If there is anything unclear about this issue, please feel free to let me
know. Thanks a lot!

Thanks & Regards,

Frederick Wu
Microsoft Online Partner Support

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[HongQuan Wu[MSFT]]

Hi,

Do you have any other concerns on this issue? Thank you!

Thanks & Regards,

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[David Thielen]

No - your post was a very good one on the trade-offs and the mass vote of the
others made it clear what road people are going down now.

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"HongQuan Wu[MSFT]" wrote:

Hi,

Do you have any other concerns on this issue? Thank you!

Thanks & Regards,

Frederick Wu
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