Hello Everyone,
I'm a lead developer of a ASP.Net site. We have over 150
"applicatio ns" running at our site. Each application is a "Solution"
in VS. When we roll to test and production, the main dlls are rolled
to the sites single bin directory and the aspx, asmx etc files are
rolled to various folders on the server.
Now with ASP.Net 2.0 they changed everything. No longer is a web
project a project, its a SITE. The dll names are mangled and renamed
every time its published. What used to be just references are now part
of the soruce control, as if I want compiled dlls in sourcesafe!
All told, after two weeks of looking to move to ASP.net 2.0, I'll have
to say that "It will not happen!" They have made managing a large,
diverse site like ours impossible. Sure, Microsoft gave us lots of
"Wiz Bang" stuff for the kiddies, but really screwed the large scale
site developers, or so it at least seems to my team.
All told, I think that Microsoft REALLY screwed the pooch on this one.
L. Lee Saunders
14  1492 
Whoa! Hold your horses.
Download and install the Web Deployment Projects add-in : http://msdn.microsoft.com/asp.net/re...p/default.aspx
"This add-in includes a new tool that enables you to merge
the assemblies created during ASP.NET 2.0 precompilation"
Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
ASPNETFAQ.COM : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
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<sa******@hotma il.com> wrote in message
news:11******** *************@g 44g2000cwa.goog legroups.com... Hello Everyone,
I'm a lead developer of a ASP.Net site. We have over 150
"applicatio ns" running at our site. Each application is a "Solution"
in VS. When we roll to test and production, the main dlls are rolled
to the sites single bin directory and the aspx, asmx etc files are
rolled to various folders on the server.
Now with ASP.Net 2.0 they changed everything. No longer is a web
project a project, its a SITE. The dll names are mangled and renamed
every time its published. What used to be just references are now part
of the soruce control, as if I want compiled dlls in sourcesafe!
All told, after two weeks of looking to move to ASP.net 2.0, I'll have
to say that "It will not happen!" They have made managing a large,
diverse site like ours impossible. Sure, Microsoft gave us lots of
"Wiz Bang" stuff for the kiddies, but really screwed the large scale
site developers, or so it at least seems to my team.
All told, I think that Microsoft REALLY screwed the pooch on this one.
L. Lee Saunders
the VS group decided to stop battling the asp.net compiler. VS2005 now uses
the asp.net compiler to build all asp.net sites. this is why VS has a
Publish web site command that builds a clean dir tith what needs to be
deployed.
in 1.1 VS build 1 dll for the code behind, and asp.net build a dll per page
but hide it a temp. in v2, VS uses the asp.net compiler to precompile the
site, so you see all the page dlls.
see the aspnet_compiler documentation to see what your automated build
options are. look at fixednames option.
-- bruce (sqlwork.com)
<sa******@hotma il.com> wrote in message
news:11******** *************@g 44g2000cwa.goog legroups.com... Hello Everyone,
I'm a lead developer of a ASP.Net site. We have over 150
"applicatio ns" running at our site. Each application is a "Solution"
in VS. When we roll to test and production, the main dlls are rolled
to the sites single bin directory and the aspx, asmx etc files are
rolled to various folders on the server.
Now with ASP.Net 2.0 they changed everything. No longer is a web
project a project, its a SITE. The dll names are mangled and renamed
every time its published. What used to be just references are now part
of the soruce control, as if I want compiled dlls in sourcesafe!
All told, after two weeks of looking to move to ASP.net 2.0, I'll have
to say that "It will not happen!" They have made managing a large,
diverse site like ours impossible. Sure, Microsoft gave us lots of
"Wiz Bang" stuff for the kiddies, but really screwed the large scale
site developers, or so it at least seems to my team.
All told, I think that Microsoft REALLY screwed the pooch on this one.
L. Lee Saunders
On 11 Nov 2005 13:03:00 -0800, sa******@hotmai l.com wrote: All told, after two weeks of looking to move to ASP.net 2.0, I'll have
to say that "It will not happen!" They have made managing a large,
diverse site like ours impossible. Sure, Microsoft gave us lots of
"Wiz Bang" stuff for the kiddies, but really screwed the large scale
site developers, or so it at least seems to my team.
All told, I think that Microsoft REALLY screwed the pooch on this one.
Not to blame the victim here, but Microsoft has been making this stuff
available for about TWO YEARS, and *NOW*, after it ships, you say "Hey,
wait a minute, this doesn't work for me". Maybe you should have
investigated the changes needed earlier, and then you could have given your
feedback to Microsoft BEFORE they finalized the product.
Ok, now that I have that off my chest (Sorry, It just bugs me when people
are given access to the information for years ahead of time, and then they
complain after its too late).
You might want to read this article (coincidentally , it also shows how
being involved in the process makes you proactive in getting what you
need). It also explains WHAT they were thinking. http://www.dotnetnuke.com/Community/...5/Default.aspx
Hear, hear, I can't agree with you more. Hopefully they will add this soon.
<sa******@hotma il.com> wrote in message
news:11******** *************@g 44g2000cwa.goog legroups.com... Hello Everyone,
I'm a lead developer of a ASP.Net site. We have over 150
"applicatio ns" running at our site. Each application is a "Solution"
in VS. When we roll to test and production, the main dlls are rolled
to the sites single bin directory and the aspx, asmx etc files are
rolled to various folders on the server.
Now with ASP.Net 2.0 they changed everything. No longer is a web
project a project, its a SITE. The dll names are mangled and renamed
every time its published. What used to be just references are now part
of the soruce control, as if I want compiled dlls in sourcesafe!
All told, after two weeks of looking to move to ASP.net 2.0, I'll have
to say that "It will not happen!" They have made managing a large,
diverse site like ours impossible. Sure, Microsoft gave us lots of
"Wiz Bang" stuff for the kiddies, but really screwed the large scale
site developers, or so it at least seems to my team.
All told, I think that Microsoft REALLY screwed the pooch on this one.
L. Lee Saunders
Darn, if only I knew this two years ago and gave my feedback! Think it would
have helped?
"Erik Funkenbusch" <er**@despam-funkenbusch.com > wrote in message
news:1c******** *******@funkenb usch.com... On 11 Nov 2005 13:03:00 -0800, sa******@hotmai l.com wrote:
All told, after two weeks of looking to move to ASP.net 2.0, I'll have
to say that "It will not happen!" They have made managing a large,
diverse site like ours impossible. Sure, Microsoft gave us lots of
"Wiz Bang" stuff for the kiddies, but really screwed the large scale
site developers, or so it at least seems to my team.
All told, I think that Microsoft REALLY screwed the pooch on this one.
Not to blame the victim here, but Microsoft has been making this stuff
available for about TWO YEARS, and *NOW*, after it ships, you say "Hey,
wait a minute, this doesn't work for me". Maybe you should have
investigated the changes needed earlier, and then you could have given
your
feedback to Microsoft BEFORE they finalized the product.
Ok, now that I have that off my chest (Sorry, It just bugs me when people
are given access to the information for years ahead of time, and then they
complain after its too late).
You might want to read this article (coincidentally , it also shows how
being involved in the process makes you proactive in getting what you
need). It also explains WHAT they were thinking.
http://www.dotnetnuke.com/Community/...5/Default.aspx
Try learning it instead.
PL
"Chris Botha" <ch***********@ AThotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP12.phx.gbl. .. Hear, hear, I can't agree with you more. Hopefully they will add this soon.
<sa******@hotma il.com> wrote in message news:11******** *************@g 44g2000cwa.goog legroups.com... Hello Everyone,
I'm a lead developer of a ASP.Net site. We have over 150
"applicatio ns" running at our site. Each application is a "Solution"
in VS. When we roll to test and production, the main dlls are rolled
to the sites single bin directory and the aspx, asmx etc files are
rolled to various folders on the server.
Now with ASP.Net 2.0 they changed everything. No longer is a web
project a project, its a SITE. The dll names are mangled and renamed
every time its published. What used to be just references are now part
of the soruce control, as if I want compiled dlls in sourcesafe!
All told, after two weeks of looking to move to ASP.net 2.0, I'll have
to say that "It will not happen!" They have made managing a large,
diverse site like ours impossible. Sure, Microsoft gave us lots of
"Wiz Bang" stuff for the kiddies, but really screwed the large scale
site developers, or so it at least seems to my team.
All told, I think that Microsoft REALLY screwed the pooch on this one.
L. Lee Saunders
Instead of what?
"PL" <pb****@yahoo.s e> wrote in message
news:uZ******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP15.phx.gbl... Try learning it instead.
PL
"Chris Botha" <ch***********@ AThotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP12.phx.gbl. .. Hear, hear, I can't agree with you more. Hopefully they will add this
soon.
<sa******@hotma il.com> wrote in message
news:11******** *************@g 44g2000cwa.goog legroups.com... Hello Everyone,
I'm a lead developer of a ASP.Net site. We have over 150
"applicatio ns" running at our site. Each application is a "Solution"
in VS. When we roll to test and production, the main dlls are rolled
to the sites single bin directory and the aspx, asmx etc files are
rolled to various folders on the server.
Now with ASP.Net 2.0 they changed everything. No longer is a web
project a project, its a SITE. The dll names are mangled and renamed
every time its published. What used to be just references are now part
of the soruce control, as if I want compiled dlls in sourcesafe!
All told, after two weeks of looking to move to ASP.net 2.0, I'll have
to say that "It will not happen!" They have made managing a large,
diverse site like ours impossible. Sure, Microsoft gave us lots of
"Wiz Bang" stuff for the kiddies, but really screwed the large scale
site developers, or so it at least seems to my team.
All told, I think that Microsoft REALLY screwed the pooch on this one.
L. Lee Saunders
This whole thing is a non-issue and Microsoft has been working
on a solution for this for quite a long time, as blogged on by
Scott Guthrie for several months now.
The tool which solves this problem, the "Visual Studio 2005 Web
Deployment Projects" Add-in for VS 2005, is available *now* at : http://msdn.microsoft.com/asp.net/re...p/default.aspx
"This add-in includes a new tool that enables you to merge the assemblies
created during ASP.NET 2.0 precompilation, and it provides a comprehensive
UI within Visual Studio 2005 for managing build configurations, merging,
and pre-build and post-build task using MSBuild."
"A Web Deployment Project creates and maintains an MSBuild project file,
and is associated in a solution with a Web site project.
A Web Deployment Project enables you to manage not only build configuration
and merge options, but other tasks such as specifying changes for the application's
Web.config file during compilation, changing connection strings, creating virtual
directories, and performing other tasks at specific points in the deployment process.
The new assembly merge tool (Aspnet_merge.e xe) combines assemblies created
during ASP.NET 2.0 precompilation for deployment. The tool supports many merge
options, from combining assemblies for each Web site folder to creating a single
assembly for the entire Web site."
Don't forget to download these very helpful documents :
"Using Web Deployment Projects with Visual Studio 2005" http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=55638
and
"Managing ASP.NET Pre-compiled Outputs with Aspnet_merge.ex e Command" http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=55639
Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
ASPNETFAQ.COM : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
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"Erik Funkenbusch" <er**@despam-funkenbusch.com > wrote in message
news:1c******** *******@funkenb usch.com... On 11 Nov 2005 13:03:00 -0800, sa******@hotmai l.com wrote:
All told, after two weeks of looking to move to ASP.net 2.0, I'll have
to say that "It will not happen!" They have made managing a large,
diverse site like ours impossible. Sure, Microsoft gave us lots of
"Wiz Bang" stuff for the kiddies, but really screwed the large scale
site developers, or so it at least seems to my team.
All told, I think that Microsoft REALLY screwed the pooch on this one.
Not to blame the victim here, but Microsoft has been making this stuff
available for about TWO YEARS, and *NOW*, after it ships, you say "Hey,
wait a minute, this doesn't work for me". Maybe you should have
investigated the changes needed earlier, and then you could have given your
feedback to Microsoft BEFORE they finalized the product.
Ok, now that I have that off my chest (Sorry, It just bugs me when people
are given access to the information for years ahead of time, and then they
complain after its too late).
You might want to read this article (coincidentally , it also shows how
being involved in the process makes you proactive in getting what you
need). It also explains WHAT they were thinking.
http://www.dotnetnuke.com/Community/...5/Default.aspx
I appreciate your frustration. Moving to ASP.net 2.0 is another huge shift. I have many clients on ASP.net 1.x and they will
likely never upgrade to 2.0
This leaves developers with the ever growing problem of maintaining 3 independent versions of ASP websites. The classic ASP, the
ASP.net 1.x and now the ASP.net 2.0
Not a very attractive prospect.
---------------------------------------------------------
Knowledge comes and goes, but wisdom lingers
<sa******@hotma il.com> wrote in message news:11******** *************@g 44g2000cwa.goog legroups.com... Hello Everyone,
I'm a lead developer of a ASP.Net site. We have over 150
"applicatio ns" running at our site. Each application is a "Solution"
in VS. When we roll to test and production, the main dlls are rolled
to the sites single bin directory and the aspx, asmx etc files are
rolled to various folders on the server.
Now with ASP.Net 2.0 they changed everything. No longer is a web
project a project, its a SITE. The dll names are mangled and renamed
every time its published. What used to be just references are now part
of the soruce control, as if I want compiled dlls in sourcesafe!
All told, after two weeks of looking to move to ASP.net 2.0, I'll have
to say that "It will not happen!" They have made managing a large,
diverse site like ours impossible. Sure, Microsoft gave us lots of
"Wiz Bang" stuff for the kiddies, but really screwed the large scale
site developers, or so it at least seems to my team.
All told, I think that Microsoft REALLY screwed the pooch on this one.
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