Suggested Graphics Programs for use with VS

[Sandy]

Hello -

I have developed the world's ugliest website -- functions well, but it
leaves a lot to be desired aesthetically.

What are the recommended web graphics programs to integrate with Visual
Studio projects? I don't want to just go out and buy something without
knowing it works well with VS.

Also, how would you integrate it? Just copy and paste stuff?

Any help will be greatly appreciated!
--
Sandy

[clintonG]

Microsoft has several visual editing tools in beta that can generate UI
elements but these tools are for future releases of Vista and so on. There's
really nothing available now in the context I think you are asking.

I've used PaintShop Pro (PSP) for years myself. It is inexpensive, generally
considered easy to use, and rivals the over-priced PhotoShop. Use PSP for
screen captures of various elements from other sites and paste up various
'comps' (compositions) as reference works. I also recommend you use a
reference book such as "Designer's Guide To Color 2" as it is an excellent
resource for color combinations you can recreate using PSP.

Some of the basic techniques designer's use to make page elements distintive
are 'over-lays' and 'juxtapositions ' which is artsy-fartsy talk you may be
able to understand simply by observing the use of these techniques at my
current homepage noting I had to beat myself up with CSS to get the effect
without turning the page into an over-weight slow loading sleeper. I'm also
still using multiple stylesheets because IE has been crippleware and I
haven't mastered the dozen and more CSS hacks IE requires to build
'standards compliant' GUIs.

Get a grip on color, page layout, and a couple of artsy-fartsy techniques
and you're all set for a clean page with distinctive design elements but
remember to go easy on the eye shadow ;-)

<%= Clinton Gallagher
METROmilwaukee (sm) "A Regional Information Service"
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee. com
URL http://metromilwaukee.com/
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/

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"Sandy" <Sa***@discussi ons.microsoft.c om> wrote in message
news:8C******** *************** ***********@mic rosoft.com...

Hello -

I have developed the world's ugliest website -- functions well, but it
leaves a lot to be desired aesthetically.

What are the recommended web graphics programs to integrate with Visual
Studio projects? I don't want to just go out and buy something without
knowing it works well with VS.

Also, how would you integrate it? Just copy and paste stuff?

Any help will be greatly appreciated!
--
Sandy

[Juan T. Llibre]

re:

I've used PaintShop Pro (PSP) for years
That's a good choice.

I use Snagit :

http://www.techsmith.com/products/snagit/default.asp

It does everything I need to do.

PhotoShop is overkill for most situations but
for specialized requirements, it can't be beat.

Its learning curve is quite stiff, though.

Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
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"clintonG" <cs*********@RE MOVETHISTEXTmet romilwaukee.com > wrote in message
news:uL******** *****@tk2msftng p13.phx.gbl... Microsoft has several visual editing tools in beta that can generate UI elements but
these tools are for future releases of Vista and so on. There's really nothing available
now in the context I think you are asking.

I've used PaintShop Pro (PSP) for years myself. It is inexpensive, generally considered
easy to use, and rivals the over-priced PhotoShop. Use PSP for screen captures of
various elements from other sites and paste up various 'comps' (compositions) as
reference works. I also recommend you use a reference book such as "Designer's Guide To
Color 2" as it is an excellent resource for color combinations you can recreate using
PSP.

Some of the basic techniques designer's use to make page elements distintive are
'over-lays' and 'juxtapositions ' which is artsy-fartsy talk you may be able to
understand simply by observing the use of these techniques at my current homepage noting
I had to beat myself up with CSS to get the effect without turning the page into an
over-weight slow loading sleeper. I'm also still using multiple stylesheets because IE
has been crippleware and I haven't mastered the dozen and more CSS hacks IE requires to
build 'standards compliant' GUIs.

Get a grip on color, page layout, and a couple of artsy-fartsy techniques and you're all
set for a clean page with distinctive design elements but remember to go easy on the eye
shadow ;-)

<%= Clinton Gallagher
METROmilwaukee (sm) "A Regional Information Service"
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee. com
URL http://metromilwaukee.com/
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/

[1]
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...23165?v=glance

"Sandy" <Sa***@discussi ons.microsoft.c om> wrote in message
news:8C******** *************** ***********@mic rosoft.com...

Hello -

I have developed the world's ugliest website -- functions well, but it
leaves a lot to be desired aesthetically.

What are the recommended web graphics programs to integrate with Visual
Studio projects? I don't want to just go out and buy something without
knowing it works well with VS.

Also, how would you integrate it? Just copy and paste stuff?

Any help will be greatly appreciated!
--
Sandy

[Mr Newbie]

PSP is exceptionally good.

However, when I read this post, I thought the OP 'May' be talking about
general presentation rather than just the graphics themselves, such as that
made easier by using packages like Front Page or Dreamweaver etc.

On that subject, I do know two professional designers ( ASP.NET ) who use
third parties to create their design and then back-engineer ( or add
accurately ) the coding to fit the ASP.NET model.

This way, they dont have the less than intuative VS interface for designing
web sites but have the benefit of all the managability features already
built in to Front Page for example.

This can present difficulties in itself and you really have to know what
your doing, but it's how some people work.

It would be nice if one day Front Page could be absorbed into Visual Studio
( At least all the good bits )

;-)
Regards - Mr N


"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@ nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:ur******** ******@tk2msftn gp13.phx.gbl...

re:

I've used PaintShop Pro (PSP) for years

That's a good choice.

I use Snagit :

http://www.techsmith.com/products/snagit/default.asp

It does everything I need to do.

PhotoShop is overkill for most situations but
for specialized requirements, it can't be beat.

Its learning curve is quite stiff, though.

Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
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"clintonG" <cs*********@RE MOVETHISTEXTmet romilwaukee.com > wrote in message
news:uL******** *****@tk2msftng p13.phx.gbl...

Microsoft has several visual editing tools in beta that can generate UI
elements but these tools are for future releases of Vista and so on.
There's really nothing available now in the context I think you are
asking.

I've used PaintShop Pro (PSP) for years myself. It is inexpensive,
generally considered easy to use, and rivals the over-priced PhotoShop.
Use PSP for screen captures of various elements from other sites and
paste up various 'comps' (compositions) as reference works. I also
recommend you use a reference book such as "Designer's Guide To Color 2"
as it is an excellent resource for color combinations you can recreate
using PSP.

Some of the basic techniques designer's use to make page elements
distintive are 'over-lays' and 'juxtapositions ' which is artsy-fartsy
talk you may be able to understand simply by observing the use of these
techniques at my current homepage noting I had to beat myself up with CSS
to get the effect without turning the page into an over-weight slow
loading sleeper. I'm also still using multiple stylesheets because IE has
been crippleware and I haven't mastered the dozen and more CSS hacks IE
requires to build 'standards compliant' GUIs.

Get a grip on color, page layout, and a couple of artsy-fartsy techniques
and you're all set for a clean page with distinctive design elements but
remember to go easy on the eye shadow ;-)

<%= Clinton Gallagher
METROmilwaukee (sm) "A Regional Information Service"
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee. com
URL http://metromilwaukee.com/
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/

[1]
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...23165?v=glance

"Sandy" <Sa***@discussi ons.microsoft.c om> wrote in message
news:8C******** *************** ***********@mic rosoft.com...

Hello -

I have developed the world's ugliest website -- functions well, but it
leaves a lot to be desired aesthetically.

What are the recommended web graphics programs to integrate with Visual
Studio projects? I don't want to just go out and buy something without
knowing it works well with VS.

Also, how would you integrate it? Just copy and paste stuff?

Any help will be greatly appreciated!
--
Sandy

[Mr Newbie]

Your comments about Colour are both interesting and incisive.

I think teaching Software Engineers to appreciate Colour may be more
difficult than teaching artists to design web sites. Logical thinkers
rarely make great artists in my humble opinion (get ready for the
flames!!!), although I am sure there are exceptions to the rule.

Marketing departments also have their own interesting take on use of
colours; apparently colours signify things to people. For example, the Roman
Purple/Blue promotes a feeling of reliability, depth and maturity.

All good stuff as they say !

Cheers - Mr N. . . .

"clintonG" <cs*********@RE MOVETHISTEXTmet romilwaukee.com > wrote in message
news:uL******** *****@tk2msftng p13.phx.gbl...

Microsoft has several visual editing tools in beta that can generate UI
elements but these tools are for future releases of Vista and so on.
There's really nothing available now in the context I think you are
asking.

I've used PaintShop Pro (PSP) for years myself. It is inexpensive,
generally considered easy to use, and rivals the over-priced PhotoShop.
Use PSP for screen captures of various elements from other sites and paste
up various 'comps' (compositions) as reference works. I also recommend you
use a reference book such as "Designer's Guide To Color 2" as it is an
excellent resource for color combinations you can recreate using PSP.

Some of the basic techniques designer's use to make page elements
distintive are 'over-lays' and 'juxtapositions ' which is artsy-fartsy talk
you may be able to understand simply by observing the use of these
techniques at my current homepage noting I had to beat myself up with CSS
to get the effect without turning the page into an over-weight slow
loading sleeper. I'm also still using multiple stylesheets because IE has
been crippleware and I haven't mastered the dozen and more CSS hacks IE
requires to build 'standards compliant' GUIs.

Get a grip on color, page layout, and a couple of artsy-fartsy techniques
and you're all set for a clean page with distinctive design elements but
remember to go easy on the eye shadow ;-)

<%= Clinton Gallagher
METROmilwaukee (sm) "A Regional Information Service"
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee. com
URL http://metromilwaukee.com/
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/

[1]
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...23165?v=glance

"Sandy" <Sa***@discussi ons.microsoft.c om> wrote in message
news:8C******** *************** ***********@mic rosoft.com...

Hello -

I have developed the world's ugliest website -- functions well, but it
leaves a lot to be desired aesthetically.

What are the recommended web graphics programs to integrate with Visual
Studio projects? I don't want to just go out and buy something without
knowing it works well with VS.

Also, how would you integrate it? Just copy and paste stuff?

Any help will be greatly appreciated!
--
Sandy