VS.NET is 10 times slower than VB6

[John Rivers]

Hello everybody,

I just wondered if anybody else has noticed this?

It takes around 6 seconds to start debugging a very simple ASPX page
with VS.NET whereas VB6 takes under 0.5 seconds, even with
very large and complex projects.

This is a real shame :(

John Rivers

[Eliyahu Goldin]

John,

Are you saying that you are developing web applications with VB6?

Eliyahu

"John Rivers" <fi*****@btinte rnet.com> wrote in message
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Hello everybody,

I just wondered if anybody else has noticed this?

It takes around 6 seconds to start debugging a very simple ASPX page
with VS.NET whereas VB6 takes under 0.5 seconds, even with
very large and complex projects.

This is a real shame :(

John Rivers

[Juan T. Llibre]

John :

I can count to 3 real fast.
To count to 100 takes a little longer.

Bottom line : debugging speed isn't everything.

btw, how did you debug an ASPX file with VB6 ?

;-)

Juan T. Llibre
ASP.NET MVP
http://asp.net.do/foros/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español
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"John Rivers" <fi*****@btinte rnet.com> wrote in message
news:11******** **************@ o13g2000cwo.goo glegroups.com.. .

Hello everybody,

I just wondered if anybody else has noticed this?

It takes around 6 seconds to start debugging a very simple ASPX page
with VS.NET whereas VB6 takes under 0.5 seconds, even with
very large and complex projects.

This is a real shame :(

John Rivers

[Mark Rae]

"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@ nowhere.com> wrote in message
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btw, how did you debug an ASPX file with VB6 ?

Wow - we're in the presence of genius... ;-)

[jasonkester]

Before ASP.NET, it was standard practice to put your business logic,
data layer, and what we currently call CodeBehind into a VB .dll and
call it via COM. It would give you an order of magnitude performance
improvement as well as letting you develop in a real IDE. You could
fire up your project in debug mode by hitting F5, just like you can
today.

So yeah, he's saying he has developed web applications with VB6. If
you were in the industry more than 3 years ago, you probaby would have
too.

Jason Kester
Expat Software Consulting Services
http://www.expatsoftware.com/

[John Rivers]

you guys sure can confuse a poor little troll

i have timed it as 6 seconds between pressing F5 and the page actually
running

at $50 per hour 6 seconds is about 8 cents

that is real money!

it is just not acceptable performance - somebody agree with me!

[jasonkester]

How complicated are the applications you are comparing? I think you'll
find that 6 seconds remains pretty much constant as you scale up your
project. It's just the overhead involved in restarting IIS.

The last large VB/ASP project I worked on would take about 10 seconds
to fire up the debugger. I have an ASP.NET project of similar
magnitude for another client that takes about the same amount of time.
For tiny "Hello World" projects, I'd agree that VB/ASP is probably
faster. But in real world situations I've never noticed a difference.
As to whether it's acceptable to wait 6 seconds to debug? I'll have to
defer comment on that, since I can still recall a time where I'd queue
up a batch job when I left at night and hope it was finished by the
time I got to the office in the morning!

Jason Kester
Expat Software Consulting Services
http://www.expatsoftware.com/

[John Rivers]

I have two VB6 groups which are 9mb and 12mb of source code
I press F5 and I get a running app in under 1 second.
Close debugging takes 1 second.
I can compile a whole group in about 35 seconds.

With VS.NET i'm looking at 6 seconds plus to start the app
and about 4 seconds to close it again (that is hello world)

I bought a new computer with 1Gb ram just to run it and its still super
slow.

Its as bad as the java compilers.

jasonkester wrote:

How complicated are the applications you are comparing? I think you'll
find that 6 seconds remains pretty much constant as you scale up your
project. It's just the overhead involved in restarting IIS.

The last large VB/ASP project I worked on would take about 10 seconds
to fire up the debugger. I have an ASP.NET project of similar
magnitude for another client that takes about the same amount of time.
For tiny "Hello World" projects, I'd agree that VB/ASP is probably
faster. But in real world situations I've never noticed a difference.
As to whether it's acceptable to wait 6 seconds to debug? I'll have to
defer comment on that, since I can still recall a time where I'd queue
up a batch job when I left at night and hope it was finished by the
time I got to the office in the morning!

Jason Kester
Expat Software Consulting Services
http://www.expatsoftware.com/

[Juan T. Llibre]

re:

it is just not acceptable performance - somebody agree with me!
You're not talking about performance. You're talking about debugging.
"Debugging" and "performanc e throughput" are two different animals.

A 6 second debug response seems quite fast to me, considering that you're
dealing with much more complex code than VB6 ever had to deal with.

Get over it. VB6 for web apps is dead
because it's not as efficient as VB.NET.

For desktop apps you might have a point, but for web apps
VB.NET gets at least 200% more throughput than VB6 ever got.

Who cares if VB.NET debugging takes 6 seconds to start up!
All I care about is that my web *clients* get more throughput.

re: at $50 per hour 6 seconds is about 8 cents
If you're asking these questions
and you're getting $50 an hour...you're overpaid.

Juan T. Llibre
ASP.NET MVP
http://asp.net.do/foros/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español
Ven, y hablemos de ASP.NET...
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"John Rivers" <fi*****@btinte rnet.com> wrote in message
news:11******** **************@ g14g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com.. . you guys sure can confuse a poor little troll

i have timed it as 6 seconds between pressing F5 and the page actually
running

at $50 per hour 6 seconds is about 8 cents

that is real money!

it is just not acceptable performance - somebody agree with me!

[Mark Rae]

"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@ nowhere.com> wrote in message
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If you're asking these questions
and you're getting $50 an hour...you're overpaid.

ROTFLMAO!