Namespaces - broad question

[Random]

I'm confused about the proper use and usefulness of namespaces. I beleive I
understand the purpose is so the developer can put classes within namespaces
to essentially organize your code. And I understand that you declare your
intention to use a namespace within a page through the "Inherits" attribute.
I know that using "Inherits" isn't absolutely necessary, it's just
recommended so the developer doesn't have to type out the entire namespace
in code. I know that namespaces have to appear in the project assembly,
however...

How does the assembly find a namespace that the developer has written????
In all the examples I've seen, namespaces have been written in codebehind
pages. How does this make them accessible to the entire project? What's to
prevent a duplicate namespace from being written in a different codebehind
page? Is there a better place to write all the project namespaces for more
centralized accessibility?

And finally, how do namespaces DIFFER from classes?

Random

[Marina]

First of all, namespaces can be used with the 'Imports' keyword, so as not
have to write out the full namespace for every class, not the 'Inherits'
attribute.

Think of namespaces as folders in your file system, and classes as the files
in them. So a namespace itself isn't anything but an organizational
container for classes - just as a folder is just a container for files.
Classes are the actual things that you instantiate, and call methods on.

I didn't really understand your questions. I think they all stem from not
understanding what a namespace actually is.

"Random" <ci*******@hotm ail.com> wrote in message
news:uD******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...

I'm confused about the proper use and usefulness of namespaces. I beleive I understand the purpose is so the developer can put classes within namespaces to essentially organize your code. And I understand that you declare your
intention to use a namespace within a page through the "Inherits" attribute. I know that using "Inherits" isn't absolutely necessary, it's just
recommended so the developer doesn't have to type out the entire namespace
in code. I know that namespaces have to appear in the project assembly,
however...

How does the assembly find a namespace that the developer has written????
In all the examples I've seen, namespaces have been written in codebehind
pages. How does this make them accessible to the entire project? What's to prevent a duplicate namespace from being written in a different codebehind
page? Is there a better place to write all the project namespaces for more centralized accessibility?

And finally, how do namespaces DIFFER from classes?

Random

[Random]

Hmm. I'm trying to teach myself from examples and tutorials and books.
Specifically in this case, I'm trying to learn from the MS PortalStarterKi t.
Specifically, the default page in that example has as the first line in
default.aspx:

<%@ Page CodeBehind="Def ault.aspx.vb" language="vb" AutoEventWireup ="false"
Inherits="ASPNE T.StarterKit.Po rtal.CDefault" %>

The codebehind page has:

Namespace ASPNET.StarterK it.Portal
Public Class CDefault
Inherits System.Web.UI.P age
Private Sub Page_Load(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
System.EventArg s) Handles MyBase.Load
<code here>
End Sub
End Class
End Namespace

I'm trying to find out how and why this works the way that it does. It's
more complex than the examples given by tutorials and books.

And again, I'm trying to figure out how the namespace declared here makes
it's way into the assembly. And because it does, somehow, does that make it
available through the entire project?

Random

"Marina" <so*****@nospam .com> wrote in message
news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. ..

First of all, namespaces can be used with the 'Imports' keyword, so as not
have to write out the full namespace for every class, not the 'Inherits'
attribute.

Think of namespaces as folders in your file system, and classes as the files in them. So a namespace itself isn't anything but an organizational
container for classes - just as a folder is just a container for files.
Classes are the actual things that you instantiate, and call methods on.

I didn't really understand your questions. I think they all stem from not
understanding what a namespace actually is.

"Random" <ci*******@hotm ail.com> wrote in message
news:uD******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...

I'm confused about the proper use and usefulness of namespaces. I beleive

I

understand the purpose is so the developer can put classes within namespaces

to essentially organize your code. And I understand that you declare

your intention to use a namespace within a page through the "Inherits"

attribute.

I know that using "Inherits" isn't absolutely necessary, it's just
recommended so the developer doesn't have to type out the entire namespace in code. I know that namespaces have to appear in the project assembly,
however...

How does the assembly find a namespace that the developer has written???? In all the examples I've seen, namespaces have been written in codebehind pages. How does this make them accessible to the entire project? What's to

prevent a duplicate namespace from being written in a different

codebehind page? Is there a better place to write all the project namespaces for

more

centralized accessibility?

And finally, how do namespaces DIFFER from classes?

Random

[Marina]

This inherits attribute, refers to the name of the class this page inherits
from. The class's name is CDefault, but it is located in the
ASPNET.StarterK it.Portal namespace, and so the namespace has to preceed it.

At runtime, asp.net looks for a class with the name in the inherits
attribute.

This has nothing to do with projects, or namespaces being available. It is
just the fully qualified name of the class.

"Random" <ci*******@hotm ail.com> wrote in message
news:OI******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P09.phx.gbl...

Hmm. I'm trying to teach myself from examples and tutorials and books.
Specifically in this case, I'm trying to learn from the MS PortalStarterKi t. Specifically, the default page in that example has as the first line in
default.aspx:

<%@ Page CodeBehind="Def ault.aspx.vb" language="vb" AutoEventWireup ="false" Inherits="ASPNE T.StarterKit.Po rtal.CDefault" %>

The codebehind page has:

Namespace ASPNET.StarterK it.Portal
Public Class CDefault
Inherits System.Web.UI.P age
Private Sub Page_Load(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
System.EventArg s) Handles MyBase.Load
<code here>
End Sub
End Class
End Namespace

I'm trying to find out how and why this works the way that it does. It's
more complex than the examples given by tutorials and books.

And again, I'm trying to figure out how the namespace declared here makes
it's way into the assembly. And because it does, somehow, does that make it available through the entire project?

Random

"Marina" <so*****@nospam .com> wrote in message
news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. ..

First of all, namespaces can be used with the 'Imports' keyword, so as not

have to write out the full namespace for every class, not the 'Inherits'
attribute.

Think of namespaces as folders in your file system, and classes as the

files

in them. So a namespace itself isn't anything but an organizational
container for classes - just as a folder is just a container for files.
Classes are the actual things that you instantiate, and call methods on.

I didn't really understand your questions. I think they all stem from not understanding what a namespace actually is.

"Random" <ci*******@hotm ail.com> wrote in message
news:uD******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...

I'm confused about the proper use and usefulness of namespaces. I

beleive

I

understand the purpose is so the developer can put classes within

namespaces

to essentially organize your code. And I understand that you declare

your intention to use a namespace within a page through the "Inherits"

attribute.

I know that using "Inherits" isn't absolutely necessary, it's just
recommended so the developer doesn't have to type out the entire namespace in code. I know that namespaces have to appear in the project assembly, however...

How does the assembly find a namespace that the developer has written???? In all the examples I've seen, namespaces have been written in codebehind pages. How does this make them accessible to the entire project? What's

to

prevent a duplicate namespace from being written in a different

codebehind page? Is there a better place to write all the project namespaces for

more

centralized accessibility?

And finally, how do namespaces DIFFER from classes?

Random

[Random]

Okay, that clarifies the "Inherits" vs. "Imports" question very well.
Thanks.

As far as the namespace being available in the assembly, though, let me give
you an example...

Using the portal code I gave before, would I be able to write another aspx
page, use the same "Inherits=<full y qualified class name>" phrasing, without
that class being written into the different codebehind page referenced in
the new aspx page?

If yes, why? Shouldn't namespaces be written in a more centrally referenced
file?

If no, then how can the assembly keep track of all the declared namespaces?
And what would it do if two or more codebehind references had the same
namespace and class written in them?

Random

"Marina" <so*****@nospam .com> wrote in message
news:eq******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...

This inherits attribute, refers to the name of the class this page inherits from. The class's name is CDefault, but it is located in the
ASPNET.StarterK it.Portal namespace, and so the namespace has to preceed it.
At runtime, asp.net looks for a class with the name in the inherits
attribute.

This has nothing to do with projects, or namespaces being available. It is
just the fully qualified name of the class.

"Random" <ci*******@hotm ail.com> wrote in message
news:OI******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P09.phx.gbl...

Hmm. I'm trying to teach myself from examples and tutorials and books.
Specifically in this case, I'm trying to learn from the MS PortalStarterKi t.

Specifically, the default page in that example has as the first line in
default.aspx:

<%@ Page CodeBehind="Def ault.aspx.vb" language="vb"

AutoEventWireup ="false"

Inherits="ASPNE T.StarterKit.Po rtal.CDefault" %>

The codebehind page has:

Namespace ASPNET.StarterK it.Portal
Public Class CDefault
Inherits System.Web.UI.P age
Private Sub Page_Load(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As
System.EventArg s) Handles MyBase.Load
<code here>
End Sub
End Class
End Namespace

I'm trying to find out how and why this works the way that it does. It's

more complex than the examples given by tutorials and books.

And again, I'm trying to figure out how the namespace declared here makes it's way into the assembly. And because it does, somehow, does that make it

available through the entire project?

Random

"Marina" <so*****@nospam .com> wrote in message
news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. ..

First of all, namespaces can be used with the 'Imports' keyword, so as

not have to write out the full namespace for every class, not the 'Inherits' attribute.

Think of namespaces as folders in your file system, and classes as the

files

in them. So a namespace itself isn't anything but an organizational
container for classes - just as a folder is just a container for files. Classes are the actual things that you instantiate, and call methods on.
I didn't really understand your questions. I think they all stem from not understanding what a namespace actually is.

"Random" <ci*******@hotm ail.com> wrote in message
news:uD******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
> I'm confused about the proper use and usefulness of namespaces. I

beleive

I
> understand the purpose is so the developer can put classes within
namespaces
> to essentially organize your code. And I understand that you declare your

> intention to use a namespace within a page through the "Inherits"
attribute.
> I know that using "Inherits" isn't absolutely necessary, it's just
> recommended so the developer doesn't have to type out the entire

namespace

> in code. I know that namespaces have to appear in the project assembly, > however...
>
> How does the assembly find a namespace that the developer has

written????

> In all the examples I've seen, namespaces have been written in

codebehind

> pages. How does this make them accessible to the entire project?

What's

to
> prevent a duplicate namespace from being written in a different

codebehind

> page? Is there a better place to write all the project namespaces

for more
> centralized accessibility?
>
> And finally, how do namespaces DIFFER from classes?
>
> Random
>
>

[Marina]

I have no idea what you are talking about to be honest.

The class is already in a namespace - the Inherits attribute is just
referencing. It isn't creating a new namespace or a new class. So I have no
idea what you are talking about when you ask about namespaces being written
in central locations.

You can have any number of pages inherit from the same class - as long as
that class actually exists. In the visual studio model, you would have to
manually do that, because it assume a 1 to 1 ration between pages and code
behind classes.

If you tried to compiled two classes with the same name into the same
assembly, the compiler would not allow you to do this. The assembly itself
knows what classes it has, and what namespace each one is in, in it's
manifest.

I would recommend you start at the very basics of ASP.NET, it sounds like
you are missing some basic concept about how this all works. In your first
post you asked about the difference between a namespace and a class - so it
seems like you need to go to the beginning of .NET, and not just into the
middle of ASP.NET.

"Random" <ci*******@hotm ail.com> wrote in message
news:ua******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP09.phx.gbl...

Okay, that clarifies the "Inherits" vs. "Imports" question very well.
Thanks.

As far as the namespace being available in the assembly, though, let me give you an example...

Using the portal code I gave before, would I be able to write another aspx
page, use the same "Inherits=<full y qualified class name>" phrasing, without that class being written into the different codebehind page referenced in
the new aspx page?

If yes, why? Shouldn't namespaces be written in a more centrally referenced file?

If no, then how can the assembly keep track of all the declared namespaces? And what would it do if two or more codebehind references had the same
namespace and class written in them?

Random

"Marina" <so*****@nospam .com> wrote in message
news:eq******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...

This inherits attribute, refers to the name of the class this page

inherits

from. The class's name is CDefault, but it is located in the
ASPNET.StarterK it.Portal namespace, and so the namespace has to preceed

it.

At runtime, asp.net looks for a class with the name in the inherits
attribute.

This has nothing to do with projects, or namespaces being available. It is

just the fully qualified name of the class.

"Random" <ci*******@hotm ail.com> wrote in message
news:OI******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P09.phx.gbl...

Hmm. I'm trying to teach myself from examples and tutorials and books. Specifically in this case, I'm trying to learn from the MS

PortalStarterKi t.

Specifically, the default page in that example has as the first line in default.aspx:

<%@ Page CodeBehind="Def ault.aspx.vb" language="vb"

AutoEventWireup ="false"

Inherits="ASPNE T.StarterKit.Po rtal.CDefault" %>

The codebehind page has:

Namespace ASPNET.StarterK it.Portal
Public Class CDefault
Inherits System.Web.UI.P age
Private Sub Page_Load(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As System.EventArg s) Handles MyBase.Load
<code here>
End Sub
End Class
End Namespace

I'm trying to find out how and why this works the way that it does. It's more complex than the examples given by tutorials and books.

And again, I'm trying to figure out how the namespace declared here makes it's way into the assembly. And because it does, somehow, does that make

it

available through the entire project?

Random

"Marina" <so*****@nospam .com> wrote in message
news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. ..
> First of all, namespaces can be used with the 'Imports' keyword, so as not

> have to write out the full namespace for every class, not the 'Inherits' > attribute.
>
> Think of namespaces as folders in your file system, and classes as

the files
> in them. So a namespace itself isn't anything but an organizational
> container for classes - just as a folder is just a container for

files. > Classes are the actual things that you instantiate, and call methods on. >
> I didn't really understand your questions. I think they all stem

from not

> understanding what a namespace actually is.
>
> "Random" <ci*******@hotm ail.com> wrote in message
> news:uD******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
> > I'm confused about the proper use and usefulness of namespaces. I
beleive
> I
> > understand the purpose is so the developer can put classes within
> namespaces
> > to essentially organize your code. And I understand that you

declare your
> > intention to use a namespace within a page through the "Inherits"
> attribute.
> > I know that using "Inherits" isn't absolutely necessary, it's just
> > recommended so the developer doesn't have to type out the entire
namespace
> > in code. I know that namespaces have to appear in the project

assembly,

> > however...
> >
> > How does the assembly find a namespace that the developer has
written????
> > In all the examples I've seen, namespaces have been written in
codebehind
> > pages. How does this make them accessible to the entire project?
What's
> to
> > prevent a duplicate namespace from being written in a different
codebehind
> > page? Is there a better place to write all the project namespaces for > more
> > centralized accessibility?
> >
> > And finally, how do namespaces DIFFER from classes?
> >
> > Random
> >
> >
>
>

[Random]

I know you are not trying to offend, Marina, but I am an experienced
programmer, just new to .NET, and I have read a lot, from the basics. I am
disappointed that a lot of the 'beginner' material has been unhelpful when
it comes to an architectural overview of ASP.NET, which is what I am trying
to clarify here. I thought that by asking 'basic' questions, I might get a
better understanding of how things fit into the whole. So please be patient
with me in this.

I realize that while Visual Studio automatically encourages a 1 to 1
relationship between aspx and codebehind pages, this does not necessarily
need to be the case. I also realize that errors would occur during
compiling if the same class was written in different places. What I don't
understand is how Visual Studio keeps track in the assembly of where all
these written classes are?

As another example, what if I wrote an aspx page that inherited a class
contained in a codebehind page that was NOT referenced by the aspx page?
Since the class is found in the assembly, how would the aspx page know where
to look? When the code is all compiled, does it automatically all the
classes available from a central source? And if this is the case, wouldn't
it make more sense to put all the code into a *.vb or *.cs file where it can
be centrally referenced?

You are right, I think there is something very simple I am misunderstandin g,
but for the life of me, I can't locate the answer anwhere.

Random

"Marina" <so*****@nospam .com> wrote in message
news:e7******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP12.phx.gbl. ..

I have no idea what you are talking about to be honest.

The class is already in a namespace - the Inherits attribute is just
referencing. It isn't creating a new namespace or a new class. So I have no idea what you are talking about when you ask about namespaces being written in central locations.

You can have any number of pages inherit from the same class - as long as
that class actually exists. In the visual studio model, you would have to
manually do that, because it assume a 1 to 1 ration between pages and code
behind classes.

If you tried to compiled two classes with the same name into the same
assembly, the compiler would not allow you to do this. The assembly itself knows what classes it has, and what namespace each one is in, in it's
manifest.

I would recommend you start at the very basics of ASP.NET, it sounds like
you are missing some basic concept about how this all works. In your first post you asked about the difference between a namespace and a class - so it seems like you need to go to the beginning of .NET, and not just into the
middle of ASP.NET.

"Random" <ci*******@hotm ail.com> wrote in message
news:ua******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP09.phx.gbl...

Okay, that clarifies the "Inherits" vs. "Imports" question very well.
Thanks.

As far as the namespace being available in the assembly, though, let me give

you an example...

Using the portal code I gave before, would I be able to write another aspx

page, use the same "Inherits=<full y qualified class name>" phrasing,

without

that class being written into the different codebehind page referenced in the new aspx page?

If yes, why? Shouldn't namespaces be written in a more centrally

referenced

file?

If no, then how can the assembly keep track of all the declared

namespaces?

And what would it do if two or more codebehind references had the same
namespace and class written in them?

Random

"Marina" <so*****@nospam .com> wrote in message
news:eq******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...

This inherits attribute, refers to the name of the class this page

inherits

from. The class's name is CDefault, but it is located in the
ASPNET.StarterK it.Portal namespace, and so the namespace has to preceed

it.

At runtime, asp.net looks for a class with the name in the inherits
attribute.

This has nothing to do with projects, or namespaces being available.

It is just the fully qualified name of the class.

"Random" <ci*******@hotm ail.com> wrote in message
news:OI******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P09.phx.gbl...
> Hmm. I'm trying to teach myself from examples and tutorials and books. > Specifically in this case, I'm trying to learn from the MS
PortalStarterKi t.
> Specifically, the default page in that example has as the first line in > default.aspx:
>
> <%@ Page CodeBehind="Def ault.aspx.vb" language="vb"
AutoEventWireup ="false"
> Inherits="ASPNE T.StarterKit.Po rtal.CDefault" %>
>
> The codebehind page has:
>
> Namespace ASPNET.StarterK it.Portal
> Public Class CDefault
> Inherits System.Web.UI.P age
> Private Sub Page_Load(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As > System.EventArg s) Handles MyBase.Load
> <code here>
> End Sub
> End Class
> End Namespace
>
> I'm trying to find out how and why this works the way that it does. It's

> more complex than the examples given by tutorials and books.
>
> And again, I'm trying to figure out how the namespace declared here

makes

> it's way into the assembly. And because it does, somehow, does that

make

it
> available through the entire project?
>
> Random
>
> "Marina" <so*****@nospam .com> wrote in message
> news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. ..
> > First of all, namespaces can be used with the 'Imports' keyword,

so as not
> > have to write out the full namespace for every class, not the

'Inherits'

> > attribute.
> >
> > Think of namespaces as folders in your file system, and classes as the > files
> > in them. So a namespace itself isn't anything but an

organizational > > container for classes - just as a folder is just a container for

files.

> > Classes are the actual things that you instantiate, and call methods on.

> >
> > I didn't really understand your questions. I think they all stem from not
> > understanding what a namespace actually is.
> >
> > "Random" <ci*******@hotm ail.com> wrote in message
> > news:uD******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
> > > I'm confused about the proper use and usefulness of namespaces.

I > beleive
> > I
> > > understand the purpose is so the developer can put classes within > > namespaces
> > > to essentially organize your code. And I understand that you

declare

> your
> > > intention to use a namespace within a page through the "Inherits" > > attribute.
> > > I know that using "Inherits" isn't absolutely necessary, it's just > > > recommended so the developer doesn't have to type out the entire
> namespace
> > > in code. I know that namespaces have to appear in the project
assembly,
> > > however...
> > >
> > > How does the assembly find a namespace that the developer has
> written????
> > > In all the examples I've seen, namespaces have been written in
> codebehind
> > > pages. How does this make them accessible to the entire project? > What's
> > to
> > > prevent a duplicate namespace from being written in a different
> codebehind
> > > page? Is there a better place to write all the project

namespaces for

> > more
> > > centralized accessibility?
> > >
> > > And finally, how do namespaces DIFFER from classes?
> > >
> > > Random
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Marina]

My point was about the understandings of .NET, not your experience with
anything else. I think if the distinction between what a namespace is, and
what a class is, is unclear, then you can't really go anywhere until it is.

When VS.NEt compiles your web project, it places all the classes in one DLL.
When a page is requested, the class in this Inherits attribute is looked for
in the bin directory - so it has to be compiled into one of the DLL's that
is located in that directory. This is done by the asp.net process at run
time - nothing to do with visual studio. Visual studio doesn't keep track
of anything - it just compiles all the classes in the project into one
assembly. If there are duplicate class names, then the compilation process
will fail.

I am still not understanding what you think is being kept track of and
where. Or what you ask when you talk about keeping the code in .vb and .cs
files - the source is already in those files. What does "what if I wrote an
aspx page that inherited a class contained in a codebehind page that was NOT
referenced by the aspx page?" mean? How can you write a page that inherits
from a codebehind class - but yet not reference it?

Do you have a book that you are reading about this from, that is not
explaining it well?
"Random" <ci*******@hotm ail.com> wrote in message
news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP10.phx.gbl. ..

I know you are not trying to offend, Marina, but I am an experienced
programmer, just new to .NET, and I have read a lot, from the basics. I am disappointed that a lot of the 'beginner' material has been unhelpful when
it comes to an architectural overview of ASP.NET, which is what I am trying to clarify here. I thought that by asking 'basic' questions, I might get a better understanding of how things fit into the whole. So please be patient with me in this.

I realize that while Visual Studio automatically encourages a 1 to 1
relationship between aspx and codebehind pages, this does not necessarily
need to be the case. I also realize that errors would occur during
compiling if the same class was written in different places. What I don't
understand is how Visual Studio keeps track in the assembly of where all
these written classes are?

As another example, what if I wrote an aspx page that inherited a class
contained in a codebehind page that was NOT referenced by the aspx page?
Since the class is found in the assembly, how would the aspx page know where to look? When the code is all compiled, does it automatically all the
classes available from a central source? And if this is the case, wouldn't it make more sense to put all the code into a *.vb or *.cs file where it can be centrally referenced?

You are right, I think there is something very simple I am misunderstandin g, but for the life of me, I can't locate the answer anwhere.

Random

"Marina" <so*****@nospam .com> wrote in message
news:e7******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP12.phx.gbl. ..

I have no idea what you are talking about to be honest.

The class is already in a namespace - the Inherits attribute is just
referencing. It isn't creating a new namespace or a new class. So I have

no

idea what you are talking about when you ask about namespaces being written

in central locations.

You can have any number of pages inherit from the same class - as long as that class actually exists. In the visual studio model, you would have to manually do that, because it assume a 1 to 1 ration between pages and code behind classes.

If you tried to compiled two classes with the same name into the same
assembly, the compiler would not allow you to do this. The assembly

itself

knows what classes it has, and what namespace each one is in, in it's
manifest.

I would recommend you start at the very basics of ASP.NET, it sounds like you are missing some basic concept about how this all works. In your

first

post you asked about the difference between a namespace and a class - so

it

seems like you need to go to the beginning of .NET, and not just into the middle of ASP.NET.

"Random" <ci*******@hotm ail.com> wrote in message
news:ua******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP09.phx.gbl...

Okay, that clarifies the "Inherits" vs. "Imports" question very well.
Thanks.

As far as the namespace being available in the assembly, though, let me

give

you an example...

Using the portal code I gave before, would I be able to write another aspx page, use the same "Inherits=<full y qualified class name>" phrasing,

without

that class being written into the different codebehind page referenced in the new aspx page?

If yes, why? Shouldn't namespaces be written in a more centrally

referenced

file?

If no, then how can the assembly keep track of all the declared

namespaces?

And what would it do if two or more codebehind references had the same
namespace and class written in them?

Random

"Marina" <so*****@nospam .com> wrote in message
news:eq******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
> This inherits attribute, refers to the name of the class this page
inherits
> from. The class's name is CDefault, but it is located in the
> ASPNET.StarterK it.Portal namespace, and so the namespace has to preceed it.
>
> At runtime, asp.net looks for a class with the name in the inherits
> attribute.
>
> This has nothing to do with projects, or namespaces being available. It

is

> just the fully qualified name of the class.
>
> "Random" <ci*******@hotm ail.com> wrote in message
> news:OI******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P09.phx.gbl...
> > Hmm. I'm trying to teach myself from examples and tutorials and

books.

> > Specifically in this case, I'm trying to learn from the MS
> PortalStarterKi t.
> > Specifically, the default page in that example has as the first

line in

> > default.aspx:
> >
> > <%@ Page CodeBehind="Def ault.aspx.vb" language="vb"
> AutoEventWireup ="false"
> > Inherits="ASPNE T.StarterKit.Po rtal.CDefault" %>
> >
> > The codebehind page has:
> >
> > Namespace ASPNET.StarterK it.Portal
> > Public Class CDefault
> > Inherits System.Web.UI.P age
> > Private Sub Page_Load(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal

e As

> > System.EventArg s) Handles MyBase.Load
> > <code here>
> > End Sub
> > End Class
> > End Namespace
> >
> > I'm trying to find out how and why this works the way that it

does. It's
> > more complex than the examples given by tutorials and books.
> >
> > And again, I'm trying to figure out how the namespace declared here makes
> > it's way into the assembly. And because it does, somehow, does that make
> it
> > available through the entire project?
> >
> > Random
> >
> > "Marina" <so*****@nospam .com> wrote in message
> > news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. ..
> > > First of all, namespaces can be used with the 'Imports' keyword,

so

as

> not
> > > have to write out the full namespace for every class, not the
'Inherits'
> > > attribute.
> > >
> > > Think of namespaces as folders in your file system, and classes as the

> > files
> > > in them. So a namespace itself isn't anything but an

organizational > > > container for classes - just as a folder is just a container for
files.
> > > Classes are the actual things that you instantiate, and call methods on.
> > >
> > > I didn't really understand your questions. I think they all stem

from

> not
> > > understanding what a namespace actually is.
> > >
> > > "Random" <ci*******@hotm ail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:uD******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
> > > > I'm confused about the proper use and usefulness of

namespaces. I > > beleive
> > > I
> > > > understand the purpose is so the developer can put classes within > > > namespaces
> > > > to essentially organize your code. And I understand that you
declare
> > your
> > > > intention to use a namespace within a page through the "Inherits" > > > attribute.
> > > > I know that using "Inherits" isn't absolutely necessary, it's just > > > > recommended so the developer doesn't have to type out the

entire > > namespace
> > > > in code. I know that namespaces have to appear in the project
> assembly,
> > > > however...
> > > >
> > > > How does the assembly find a namespace that the developer has
> > written????
> > > > In all the examples I've seen, namespaces have been written in
> > codebehind
> > > > pages. How does this make them accessible to the entire

project? > > What's
> > > to
> > > > prevent a duplicate namespace from being written in a different > > codebehind
> > > > page? Is there a better place to write all the project namespaces for
> > > more
> > > > centralized accessibility?
> > > >
> > > > And finally, how do namespaces DIFFER from classes?
> > > >
> > > > Random
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Kevin Spencer]

Hi Random,

I realize that while Visual Studio automatically encourages a 1 to 1
relationship between aspx and codebehind pages, this does not necessarily
need to be the case. I also realize that errors would occur during
compiling if the same class was written in different places. What I don't
understand is how Visual Studio keeps track in the assembly of where all
these written classes are?
A .Net assembly is a compiled DLL. The data in the code files is compiled
into binary code in the DLL, including all the namespace information,
references, etc. Once compiled into a DLL, your CodeBehind class files are
nothing but dead weight. They are not used; the DLL is. So, forget about the
"written classes". Think about the classes themselves, rather than the code
you write to create them.
As another example, what if I wrote an aspx page that inherited a class
contained in a codebehind page that was NOT referenced by the aspx page?
You wouldn't be able to compile OR use it. An aspx Page is a composite of 2
distinct entities: the Page Template (.aspx) and the CodeBehind class. The
Page Template inherits the CodeBehind class, which inherits
System.Web.UI.P age. The .aspx file by itself can do nothing without
CodeBehind, whether that is in the same (.aspx) file as the Page Template, a
CodeBehind file, or a DLL. The important thing is that the .aspx Page
Template has a reference in it telling it where to look for the class
definition that it inherits. If the CodeBehind is compiled into a DLL, and
that DLL is in one of the locations that ASP.Net can find it (Global
Assembly Cache or \bin folder), ASP.Net uses Reflection to query the
assembly for the class, based upon the NameSpace and Class name of the
class. All of this information is contained in the DLL itself.
Since the class is found in the assembly, how would the aspx page know where to look? When the code is all compiled, does it automatically all the
classes available from a central source? And if this is the case, wouldn't it make more sense to put all the code into a *.vb or *.cs file where it can be centrally referenced?
Again, only the CodeBehind is compiled. The Page Template (.aspx) must have
a Reference in it telling it where to find the CodeBehind class. There IS
not "central source" for information about .Net classes. That is why you can
simply put your DLLs into the \bin folder of your web app, and they will be
found. Once found, the .Net platform can query the DLLs to find the DLL
needed, and the class inside the DLL to use.

Take a look at the following example, from an ASPX page I created:

<%@ Page Language="vb" AutoEventWireup ="false"
Codebehind="Web Form1.aspx.vb" Inherits="Contr olTest.WebForm1 "%>

The "CodeBehind " attribute is there solely for the benefit of Visual
Studio.Net. It tells VS.Net what file to compile to create the DLL used by
the Page class(es). The "Inherits" directive is the key. Note that it
contains no information about the location of the DLL. ASP.Net KNOWS where
the DLL can be located. Instead, it contains a reference to a NameSpace and
a class, which it can find by using Reflection on the assemblies in the \bin
folder and the GAC.

--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
..Net Developer
Microsoft MVP
Big things are made up
of lots of little things.

"Random" <ci*******@hotm ail.com> wrote in message
news:#D******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl... I know you are not trying to offend, Marina, but I am an experienced
programmer, just new to .NET, and I have read a lot, from the basics. I am disappointed that a lot of the 'beginner' material has been unhelpful when
it comes to an architectural overview of ASP.NET, which is what I am trying to clarify here. I thought that by asking 'basic' questions, I might get a better understanding of how things fit into the whole. So please be patient with me in this.

I realize that while Visual Studio automatically encourages a 1 to 1
relationship between aspx and codebehind pages, this does not necessarily
need to be the case. I also realize that errors would occur during
compiling if the same class was written in different places. What I don't
understand is how Visual Studio keeps track in the assembly of where all
these written classes are?

As another example, what if I wrote an aspx page that inherited a class
contained in a codebehind page that was NOT referenced by the aspx page?
Since the class is found in the assembly, how would the aspx page know where to look? When the code is all compiled, does it automatically all the
classes available from a central source? And if this is the case, wouldn't it make more sense to put all the code into a *.vb or *.cs file where it can be centrally referenced?

You are right, I think there is something very simple I am misunderstandin g, but for the life of me, I can't locate the answer anwhere.

Random

"Marina" <so*****@nospam .com> wrote in message
news:e7******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP12.phx.gbl. ..

I have no idea what you are talking about to be honest.

The class is already in a namespace - the Inherits attribute is just
referencing. It isn't creating a new namespace or a new class. So I have

no

idea what you are talking about when you ask about namespaces being written

in central locations.

You can have any number of pages inherit from the same class - as long as that class actually exists. In the visual studio model, you would have to manually do that, because it assume a 1 to 1 ration between pages and code behind classes.

If you tried to compiled two classes with the same name into the same
assembly, the compiler would not allow you to do this. The assembly

itself

knows what classes it has, and what namespace each one is in, in it's
manifest.

I would recommend you start at the very basics of ASP.NET, it sounds like you are missing some basic concept about how this all works. In your

first

post you asked about the difference between a namespace and a class - so

it

seems like you need to go to the beginning of .NET, and not just into the middle of ASP.NET.

"Random" <ci*******@hotm ail.com> wrote in message
news:ua******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP09.phx.gbl...

Okay, that clarifies the "Inherits" vs. "Imports" question very well.
Thanks.

As far as the namespace being available in the assembly, though, let me

give

you an example...

Using the portal code I gave before, would I be able to write another aspx page, use the same "Inherits=<full y qualified class name>" phrasing,

without

that class being written into the different codebehind page referenced in the new aspx page?

If yes, why? Shouldn't namespaces be written in a more centrally

referenced

file?

If no, then how can the assembly keep track of all the declared

namespaces?

And what would it do if two or more codebehind references had the same
namespace and class written in them?

Random

"Marina" <so*****@nospam .com> wrote in message
news:eq******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
> This inherits attribute, refers to the name of the class this page
inherits
> from. The class's name is CDefault, but it is located in the
> ASPNET.StarterK it.Portal namespace, and so the namespace has to preceed it.
>
> At runtime, asp.net looks for a class with the name in the inherits
> attribute.
>
> This has nothing to do with projects, or namespaces being available. It

is

> just the fully qualified name of the class.
>
> "Random" <ci*******@hotm ail.com> wrote in message
> news:OI******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P09.phx.gbl...
> > Hmm. I'm trying to teach myself from examples and tutorials and

books.

> > Specifically in this case, I'm trying to learn from the MS
> PortalStarterKi t.
> > Specifically, the default page in that example has as the first

line in

> > default.aspx:
> >
> > <%@ Page CodeBehind="Def ault.aspx.vb" language="vb"
> AutoEventWireup ="false"
> > Inherits="ASPNE T.StarterKit.Po rtal.CDefault" %>
> >
> > The codebehind page has:
> >
> > Namespace ASPNET.StarterK it.Portal
> > Public Class CDefault
> > Inherits System.Web.UI.P age
> > Private Sub Page_Load(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal

e As

> > System.EventArg s) Handles MyBase.Load
> > <code here>
> > End Sub
> > End Class
> > End Namespace
> >
> > I'm trying to find out how and why this works the way that it

does. It's
> > more complex than the examples given by tutorials and books.
> >
> > And again, I'm trying to figure out how the namespace declared here makes
> > it's way into the assembly. And because it does, somehow, does that make
> it
> > available through the entire project?
> >
> > Random
> >
> > "Marina" <so*****@nospam .com> wrote in message
> > news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. ..
> > > First of all, namespaces can be used with the 'Imports' keyword,

so

as

> not
> > > have to write out the full namespace for every class, not the
'Inherits'
> > > attribute.
> > >
> > > Think of namespaces as folders in your file system, and classes as the

> > files
> > > in them. So a namespace itself isn't anything but an

organizational > > > container for classes - just as a folder is just a container for
files.
> > > Classes are the actual things that you instantiate, and call methods on.
> > >
> > > I didn't really understand your questions. I think they all stem

from

> not
> > > understanding what a namespace actually is.
> > >
> > > "Random" <ci*******@hotm ail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:uD******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
> > > > I'm confused about the proper use and usefulness of

namespaces. I > > beleive
> > > I
> > > > understand the purpose is so the developer can put classes within > > > namespaces
> > > > to essentially organize your code. And I understand that you
declare
> > your
> > > > intention to use a namespace within a page through the "Inherits" > > > attribute.
> > > > I know that using "Inherits" isn't absolutely necessary, it's just > > > > recommended so the developer doesn't have to type out the

entire > > namespace
> > > > in code. I know that namespaces have to appear in the project
> assembly,
> > > > however...
> > > >
> > > > How does the assembly find a namespace that the developer has
> > written????
> > > > In all the examples I've seen, namespaces have been written in
> > codebehind
> > > > pages. How does this make them accessible to the entire

project? > > What's
> > > to
> > > > prevent a duplicate namespace from being written in a different > > codebehind
> > > > page? Is there a better place to write all the project namespaces for
> > > more
> > > > centralized accessibility?
> > > >
> > > > And finally, how do namespaces DIFFER from classes?
> > > >
> > > > Random
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Random]

On this, I'm really just questioning the way the StarterPortal is built. I
understand and appreciate how ASP.NET is built to seperate the code from the
presentation layer. I did much the same by using include files containing
commonly used functions in classic ASP. My point is, in order to reuse any
namespaces/classes/functions between pages, wouldn't it be better to put
them in one, or a small group of files that are referenced seperately from
the codebehind page? It would seem just much easier to keep track of them
that way, to make it simpler to reference them during development, instead
of making it appear as though a class and set of functions are solely for
use with one aspx page.
"Marina" <so*****@nospam .com> wrote in message
news:%2******** *******@TK2MSFT NGP09.phx.gbl.. .

My point was about the understandings of .NET, not your experience with
anything else. I think if the distinction between what a namespace is, and
what a class is, is unclear, then you can't really go anywhere until it is.
When VS.NEt compiles your web project, it places all the classes in one DLL. When a page is requested, the class in this Inherits attribute is looked for in the bin directory - so it has to be compiled into one of the DLL's that
is located in that directory. This is done by the asp.net process at run
time - nothing to do with visual studio. Visual studio doesn't keep track
of anything - it just compiles all the classes in the project into one
assembly. If there are duplicate class names, then the compilation process
will fail.

I am still not understanding what you think is being kept track of and
where. Or what you ask when you talk about keeping the code in .vb and ..cs files - the source is already in those files. What does "what if I wrote an aspx page that inherited a class contained in a codebehind page that was NOT referenced by the aspx page?" mean? How can you write a page that inherits
from a codebehind class - but yet not reference it?

Do you have a book that you are reading about this from, that is not
explaining it well?
"Random" <ci*******@hotm ail.com> wrote in message
news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP10.phx.gbl. ..

I know you are not trying to offend, Marina, but I am an experienced
programmer, just new to .NET, and I have read a lot, from the basics. I am

disappointed that a lot of the 'beginner' material has been unhelpful when

it comes to an architectural overview of ASP.NET, which is what I am

trying

to clarify here. I thought that by asking 'basic' questions, I might get a

better understanding of how things fit into the whole. So please be patient

with me in this.

I realize that while Visual Studio automatically encourages a 1 to 1
relationship between aspx and codebehind pages, this does not

necessarily need to be the case. I also realize that errors would occur during
compiling if the same class was written in different places. What I don't understand is how Visual Studio keeps track in the assembly of where all
these written classes are?

As another example, what if I wrote an aspx page that inherited a class
contained in a codebehind page that was NOT referenced by the aspx page?
Since the class is found in the assembly, how would the aspx page know

where

to look? When the code is all compiled, does it automatically all the
classes available from a central source? And if this is the case,

wouldn't

it make more sense to put all the code into a *.vb or *.cs file where it

can

be centrally referenced?

You are right, I think there is something very simple I am

misunderstandin g,

but for the life of me, I can't locate the answer anwhere.

Random

"Marina" <so*****@nospam .com> wrote in message
news:e7******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP12.phx.gbl. ..

I have no idea what you are talking about to be honest.

The class is already in a namespace - the Inherits attribute is just
referencing. It isn't creating a new namespace or a new class. So I have

no

idea what you are talking about when you ask about namespaces being

written

in central locations.

You can have any number of pages inherit from the same class - as long

as that class actually exists. In the visual studio model, you would have to manually do that, because it assume a 1 to 1 ration between pages and code behind classes.

If you tried to compiled two classes with the same name into the same
assembly, the compiler would not allow you to do this. The assembly

itself

knows what classes it has, and what namespace each one is in, in it's
manifest.

I would recommend you start at the very basics of ASP.NET, it sounds like you are missing some basic concept about how this all works. In your

first

post you asked about the difference between a namespace and a class - so it

seems like you need to go to the beginning of .NET, and not just into the middle of ASP.NET.

"Random" <ci*******@hotm ail.com> wrote in message
news:ua******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP09.phx.gbl...
> Okay, that clarifies the "Inherits" vs. "Imports" question very

well. > Thanks.
>
> As far as the namespace being available in the assembly, though, let me give
> you an example...
>
> Using the portal code I gave before, would I be able to write another aspx

> page, use the same "Inherits=<full y qualified class name>" phrasing,
without
> that class being written into the different codebehind page

referenced

in

> the new aspx page?
>
> If yes, why? Shouldn't namespaces be written in a more centrally
referenced
> file?
>
> If no, then how can the assembly keep track of all the declared
namespaces?
> And what would it do if two or more codebehind references had the

same > namespace and class written in them?
>
> Random
>
> "Marina" <so*****@nospam .com> wrote in message
> news:eq******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
> > This inherits attribute, refers to the name of the class this page
> inherits
> > from. The class's name is CDefault, but it is located in the
> > ASPNET.StarterK it.Portal namespace, and so the namespace has to

preceed

> it.
> >
> > At runtime, asp.net looks for a class with the name in the inherits > > attribute.
> >
> > This has nothing to do with projects, or namespaces being available. It

is
> > just the fully qualified name of the class.
> >
> > "Random" <ci*******@hotm ail.com> wrote in message
> > news:OI******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P09.phx.gbl...
> > > Hmm. I'm trying to teach myself from examples and tutorials and
books.
> > > Specifically in this case, I'm trying to learn from the MS
> > PortalStarterKi t.
> > > Specifically, the default page in that example has as the first line in
> > > default.aspx:
> > >
> > > <%@ Page CodeBehind="Def ault.aspx.vb" language="vb"
> > AutoEventWireup ="false"
> > > Inherits="ASPNE T.StarterKit.Po rtal.CDefault" %>
> > >
> > > The codebehind page has:
> > >
> > > Namespace ASPNET.StarterK it.Portal
> > > Public Class CDefault
> > > Inherits System.Web.UI.P age
> > > Private Sub Page_Load(ByVal sender As System.Object,

ByVal e As
> > > System.EventArg s) Handles MyBase.Load
> > > <code here>
> > > End Sub
> > > End Class
> > > End Namespace
> > >
> > > I'm trying to find out how and why this works the way that it does. > It's
> > > more complex than the examples given by tutorials and books.
> > >
> > > And again, I'm trying to figure out how the namespace declared here > makes
> > > it's way into the assembly. And because it does, somehow, does that > make
> > it
> > > available through the entire project?
> > >
> > > Random
> > >
> > > "Marina" <so*****@nospam .com> wrote in message
> > > news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. ..
> > > > First of all, namespaces can be used with the 'Imports'

keyword, so

as
> > not
> > > > have to write out the full namespace for every class, not the
> 'Inherits'
> > > > attribute.
> > > >
> > > > Think of namespaces as folders in your file system, and

classes

as the
> > > files
> > > > in them. So a namespace itself isn't anything but an

organizational

> > > > container for classes - just as a folder is just a container

for > files.
> > > > Classes are the actual things that you instantiate, and call

methods

> on.
> > > >
> > > > I didn't really understand your questions. I think they all stem from
> > not
> > > > understanding what a namespace actually is.
> > > >
> > > > "Random" <ci*******@hotm ail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:uD******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
> > > > > I'm confused about the proper use and usefulness of

namespaces.

I

> > > beleive
> > > > I
> > > > > understand the purpose is so the developer can put classes

within

> > > > namespaces
> > > > > to essentially organize your code. And I understand that you > declare
> > > your
> > > > > intention to use a namespace within a page through the

"Inherits"

> > > > attribute.
> > > > > I know that using "Inherits" isn't absolutely necessary, it's just

> > > > > recommended so the developer doesn't have to type out the

entire > > > namespace
> > > > > in code. I know that namespaces have to appear in the

project > > assembly,
> > > > > however...
> > > > >
> > > > > How does the assembly find a namespace that the developer has > > > written????
> > > > > In all the examples I've seen, namespaces have been written in > > > codebehind
> > > > > pages. How does this make them accessible to the entire

project?

> > > What's
> > > > to
> > > > > prevent a duplicate namespace from being written in a

different > > > codebehind
> > > > > page? Is there a better place to write all the project

namespaces

> for
> > > > more
> > > > > centralized accessibility?
> > > > >
> > > > > And finally, how do namespaces DIFFER from classes?
> > > > >
> > > > > Random
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>