Hateful Date Formatting in Oracle/ASP

[Colin Steadman]

I'm returning a date (5th Jan 2004) from Oracle using the
following query:

select TO_CHAR(invoice _date,'DD/MM/YYYY') from...

This should return my date in the UK format, and it
certainly appears to be doing just that in Toad. And it
also looks correct in my form as it shows as:

05/01/2004

However when I submit my form I am having to convert the
date to an Oracle format using this function:

Function ConvertToOracle Date(dtmDate)
If IsDate(dtmDate) Then
Dim arData(2)
arData(0) = Right("0" & Day(dtmDate),2)
arData(1) = UCase(MonthName (Month(dtmDate) ,True))
arData(2) = Year(dtmDate)
ConvertToOracle Date = Join(arData," ")
End If
End Function

And when I do this the date is being interpreted
incorrectly and is converted to:

01 MAY 2004

How is happening?

TIA,

Colin

[Aaron [SQL Server MVP]]

Some part of your system is set up as US regional settings.

Why not use a date format that is going to avoid these problems altogether?
I'm not sure whether YYYYMMDD or YYYY-MM-DD is safer in Oracle, but either
is certainly safer than the ambiguous d/m/y or m/d/y formats.

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"Colin Steadman" <an*******@disc ussions.microso ft.com> wrote in message
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I'm returning a date (5th Jan 2004) from Oracle using the
following query:

select TO_CHAR(invoice _date,'DD/MM/YYYY') from...

This should return my date in the UK format, and it
certainly appears to be doing just that in Toad. And it
also looks correct in my form as it shows as:

05/01/2004

However when I submit my form I am having to convert the
date to an Oracle format using this function:

Function ConvertToOracle Date(dtmDate)
If IsDate(dtmDate) Then
Dim arData(2)
arData(0) = Right("0" & Day(dtmDate),2)
arData(1) = UCase(MonthName (Month(dtmDate) ,True))
arData(2) = Year(dtmDate)
ConvertToOracle Date = Join(arData," ")
End If
End Function

And when I do this the date is being interpreted
incorrectly and is converted to:

01 MAY 2004

How is happening?

TIA,

Colin

[Colin Steadman]

-----Original Message-----
Some part of your system is set up as US regional settings.
Any idea where this might be? Would it be in IIS
somewhere or Oracle?

Why not use a date format that is going to avoid these problems altogether?I'm not sure whether YYYYMMDD or YYYY-MM-DD is safer in Oracle, but eitheris certainly safer than the ambiguous d/m/y or m/d/y

formats.

I'll give as I'm getting quite desparte here! Its been
doing some really bizarre things, just now I got:

04 JUL 2015 returned from 15/07/04

Its driving me up the wall.

Thank you.
Colin

[Aaron [SQL Server MVP]]

> Any idea where this might be? Would it be in IIS

somewhere or Oracle?
This is probably at the operating system level. But fixing this is not
going to solve the problem. When someone logs into the box, the regional
settings might change. And someone else might change them back on you.
Hell, a central server might be going out and adjusting the settings on all
the boxes so they match, once a night.
04 JUL 2015 returned from 15/07/04

Well, no kidding! What kind of input is that? I could come up with six
different dates for that "date" you sent in. The operating system is going
to be more restrictive, of course, but it's not a mindreader, and it's
probably going to guess wrong. At least if you used a 4-digit year (do we
all remember the Y2K problem???), I'd only have two possibilities.

Once again, provide unambiguous input, and you will get unambiguous output!
If you are allowing users to enter dates in a freetext form field, STOP
DOING THAT! NOW! Use a calendar control, or separate dropdowns -- and
VALIDATE before submission!

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[Mark Schupp]

I finally broke down and replaced all the date fields on our forms with a
popup date picker (there are a number of scripts out there if a search is
done). Now all forms send dates in yyyy-mm-ddThh:mm:ss format automatically.
The original poster might consider that.

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Any idea where this might be? Would it be in IIS
somewhere or Oracle?
This is probably at the operating system level. But fixing this is not
going to solve the problem. When someone logs into the box, the regional
settings might change. And someone else might change them back on you.
Hell, a central server might be going out and adjusting the settings on

all the boxes so they match, once a night.

04 JUL 2015 returned from 15/07/04
Well, no kidding! What kind of input is that? I could come up with six
different dates for that "date" you sent in. The operating system is

going to be more restrictive, of course, but it's not a mindreader, and it's
probably going to guess wrong. At least if you used a 4-digit year (do we
all remember the Y2K problem???), I'd only have two possibilities.

Once again, provide unambiguous input, and you will get unambiguous output! If you are allowing users to enter dates in a freetext form field, STOP
DOING THAT! NOW! Use a calendar control, or separate dropdowns -- and
VALIDATE before submission!

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[Colin Steadman]

> This is probably at the operating system level. But fixing this is not

going to solve the problem. When someone logs into the box, the regional
settings might change. And someone else might change them back on you.
Hell, a central server might be going out and adjusting the settings on all
the boxes so they match, once a night.

04 JUL 2015 returned from 15/07/04
Well, no kidding! What kind of input is that? I could come up with six
different dates for that "date" you sent in. The operating system is going
to be more restrictive, of course, but it's not a mindreader, and it's
probably going to guess wrong. At least if you used a 4-digit year (do we
all remember the Y2K problem???), I'd only have two possibilities.

Well it certainly is guessing wrong. I really hate dealing with dates
in ASP, it seems to fight me on them. I've given up for now and come
up with the function copied at the bottom of this post. Its probably
a very inappropriate and cumbersome way of solving the problem, but I
did not have a good day yesterday and I just want a solution now.
This seems to work.

Once again, provide unambiguous input, and you will get unambiguous output!
If you are allowing users to enter dates in a freetext form field, STOP
DOING THAT! NOW! Use a calendar control, or separate dropdowns -- and
VALIDATE before submission!

Alass, I did actually setup the form with nice drop-down boxes for
each date element. These were automatically generated from code and
it looked good and worked well.. However the users didn't like it,
for speed they prefer to type in the date so I was asked to provide a
simple inputbox instead. I pointed out that this could be ambiguous,
but was overruled.

Heres the function I came up with in desparation:
Function ConvertToOracle Date(dtmDate)

Dim i
Dim firstSeparator
Dim secondSeparator

For i = 1 To CInt(Len(dtmDat e))
If Not IsNumeric(mid(d tmDate,i,1)) Then
firstSeparator = i
Exit For
End If
Next

For i = firstSeparator + 1 To CInt(Len(dtmDat e))
If Not IsNumeric(mid(d tmDate,i,1)) Then
secondSeparator = i
Exit For
End If
Next

'build date
Dim arData(2)
arData(0) = Right("0" & Mid(dtmDate,1,f irstSeparator-1),2)
arData(1) = UCase(MonthName (Right("0" &
Mid(dtmDate,fir stSeparator+1,s econdSeparator-firstSeparator-1),2),True))
arData(2) = Right(dtmDate,L en(dtmDate)-secondSeparator )

ConvertToOracle Date = Join(arData," ")
Erase arData

Set i = Nothing
Dim firstSeparator = Nothing
Dim secondSeparator = Nothing

End Function

[CJM]

Colin,

I've been in a similar situation too, but you can afford to accept ambiguous
dates.

One alternative solution is to use a format like 09 Jul 2004... You can the
transpose that into an internal date format (eg yyyymmdd or whatever).

The key thing is to publish the date formats you accept to the user, and
refuse to accept any that dont conform to your preferred standard.

Chris

[Aaron [SQL Server MVP]]

> However the users didn't like it,

for speed they prefer to type in the date
What about a calendar popup? Surely this would be faster than typing the
date in...
I pointed out that this could be ambiguous,
but was overruled.

So what prevents you from using client-side script to validate the input,
force YYYYMMDD, and then ask them which method they prefer?

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