Session inconsistencies IIS6

[grw]

Im trying to find why my hosted server won't maintain session state.
Its not a web farm (not load balanced), its all the same server

An application requires a session to be set and then recalled (like you do
:)

However, since the server software was upgraded from IIS 5 to 6, the working
code no longer works.
(ie - login with session variables but get logged out immediately the page
changes)

Using simple code like <%=session.sess ionid%> on the IIS6 server, and
refreshing the page shows a new ID most times - it should be the same id??
Testing on the old server (IIS5) would keep the same session id.

Where do I start looking and what pertinent questions do I need to ask my
host?

TIA!

[Egbert Nierop \(MVP for IIS\)]

"grw" <no**@none.co m> wrote in message
news:u8******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP11.phx.gbl...

Im trying to find why my hosted server won't maintain session state.
Its not a web farm (not load balanced), its all the same server

An application requires a session to be set and then recalled (like you do
:)

However, since the server software was upgraded from IIS 5 to 6, the working code no longer works.
(ie - login with session variables but get logged out immediately the page
changes)

Using simple code like <%=session.sess ionid%> on the IIS6 server, and
refreshing the page shows a new ID most times - it should be the same id??
Testing on the old server (IIS5) would keep the same session id.

Where do I start looking and what pertinent questions do I need to ask my
host?
what does the URL you use to confirm this difference, look like? (so I mean,
does it look like http://servername etc)
TIA!

[grw]

Im not sure what you mean 'confirm the difference'? could you clarify for
me?

The old server used exactly the same code - the only way I can test this is
on the new server / software (same hardware)
So yes - the URL is the same format as before (as the web hasnt changed) :
http// www. domain. com /test.asp for example



"Egbert Nierop (MVP for IIS)" <eg***********@ nospam.com> wrote in message
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"grw" <no**@none.co m> wrote in message
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Im trying to find why my hosted server won't maintain session state.
Its not a web farm (not load balanced), its all the same server

An application requires a session to be set and then recalled (like you do :)

However, since the server software was upgraded from IIS 5 to 6, the working

code no longer works.
(ie - login with session variables but get logged out immediately the page changes)

Using simple code like <%=session.sess ionid%> on the IIS6 server, and
refreshing the page shows a new ID most times - it should be the same id?? Testing on the old server (IIS5) would keep the same session id.

Where do I start looking and what pertinent questions do I need to ask my host?

what does the URL you use to confirm this difference, look like? (so I

mean, does it look like http://servername etc)

TIA!

[Egbert Nierop \(MVP for IIS\)]

"grw" <no**@none.co m> wrote in message
news:Op******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P09.phx.gbl...

Im not sure what you mean 'confirm the difference'? could you clarify for
me?

The old server used exactly the same code - the only way I can test this is on the new server / software (same hardware)
So yes - the URL is the same format as before (as the web hasnt changed) :
http// www. domain. com /test.asp for example

That looks quite normal. Maybe, you got code that is tested on old ADO ,
but on IIS 6, ADO 2.8 is used, the exception leads to a 'loggedin' session
variable not to be set(and abandon to be called??). There is, any way, no
special new switch on IIS 6 for normal sessions.

[Ken Schaefer]

Ask your hosting company if they are using a web garden for the application
pool that your website is in. If the app pool is served by multiple worker
processes (i.e. a web garden), then you will experience the symptoms you are
seeing. This is because each worker process has it's own memory, and ASP
sessions are stored in-memory. So, the first request creates a new session.
The second request gets served (50% of the time) by the second worker
process, that doesn't know anything about the first session, and starts
another one.

Cheers
Ken

"grw" <no**@none.co m> wrote in message
news:u8******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP11.phx.gbl...
: Im trying to find why my hosted server won't maintain session state.
: Its not a web farm (not load balanced), its all the same server
:
: An application requires a session to be set and then recalled (like you do
: :)
:
: However, since the server software was upgraded from IIS 5 to 6, the
working
: code no longer works.
: (ie - login with session variables but get logged out immediately the page
: changes)
:
: Using simple code like <%=session.sess ionid%> on the IIS6 server, and
: refreshing the page shows a new ID most times - it should be the same id??
: Testing on the old server (IIS5) would keep the same session id.
:
: Where do I start looking and what pertinent questions do I need to ask my
: host?
:
: TIA!
:
:
:

[Dominique]

The only people who can help you here will be the hosting company.
This is just an IIS setting problem.
"grw" <no**@none.co m> wrote in message
news:u8******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP11.phx.gbl...

Im trying to find why my hosted server won't maintain session state.
Its not a web farm (not load balanced), its all the same server

An application requires a session to be set and then recalled (like you do
:)

However, since the server software was upgraded from IIS 5 to 6, the working code no longer works.
(ie - login with session variables but get logged out immediately the page
changes)

Using simple code like <%=session.sess ionid%> on the IIS6 server, and
refreshing the page shows a new ID most times - it should be the same id??
Testing on the old server (IIS5) would keep the same session id.

Where do I start looking and what pertinent questions do I need to ask my
host?

TIA!

[David Wang [Msft]]

What Ken suggested (Is Web Garden enabled) would be my first suggestion

Basically, session state is a blob of memory that is not explicitly shared
between any worker process. Thus, session state gets lost when you move
between processes, and things that trigger this include:
1. Worker process recycling via a variety of triggers. Common ones include
idle timeout (default 15 minutes) or periodic recycling (default 29 hours)
2. Web Garden -- new connection goes to a new worker process, cycling
through the max number of worker processes in the garden
3. Something crashes the worker process.

This is best addressed by moving session state out of the worker process.
For example, ASP.Net session state service does this for ASP.Net, and Egbert
has one for ASP as well.

--
//David
IIS
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
//
"grw" <no**@none.co m> wrote in message
news:u8******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP11.phx.gbl...
Im trying to find why my hosted server won't maintain session state.
Its not a web farm (not load balanced), its all the same server

An application requires a session to be set and then recalled (like you do
:)

However, since the server software was upgraded from IIS 5 to 6, the working
code no longer works.
(ie - login with session variables but get logged out immediately the page
changes)

Using simple code like <%=session.sess ionid%> on the IIS6 server, and
refreshing the page shows a new ID most times - it should be the same id??
Testing on the old server (IIS5) would keep the same session id.

Where do I start looking and what pertinent questions do I need to ask my
host?

TIA!

[grw]

"Egbert has one for ASP as well."

What does that look like? thanks for all the ideas!

"David Wang [Msft]" <so*****@online .microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. ..

What Ken suggested (Is Web Garden enabled) would be my first suggestion

Basically, session state is a blob of memory that is not explicitly shared
between any worker process. Thus, session state gets lost when you move
between processes, and things that trigger this include:
1. Worker process recycling via a variety of triggers. Common ones include idle timeout (default 15 minutes) or periodic recycling (default 29 hours)
2. Web Garden -- new connection goes to a new worker process, cycling
through the max number of worker processes in the garden
3. Something crashes the worker process.

This is best addressed by moving session state out of the worker process.
For example, ASP.Net session state service does this for ASP.Net, and Egbert has one for ASP as well.

--
//David
IIS
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. //
"grw" <no**@none.co m> wrote in message
news:u8******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP11.phx.gbl...
Im trying to find why my hosted server won't maintain session state.
Its not a web farm (not load balanced), its all the same server

An application requires a session to be set and then recalled (like you do
:)

However, since the server software was upgraded from IIS 5 to 6, the working code no longer works.
(ie - login with session variables but get logged out immediately the page
changes)

Using simple code like <%=session.sess ionid%> on the IIS6 server, and
refreshing the page shows a new ID most times - it should be the same id??
Testing on the old server (IIS5) would keep the same session id.

Where do I start looking and what pertinent questions do I need to ask my
host?

TIA!

[grw]

Solved as a result thanks Ken.

"Ken Schaefer" <ke*******@THIS adOpenStatic.co m> wrote in message
news:Oc******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...

Ask your hosting company if they are using a web garden for the application pool that your website is in. If the app pool is served by multiple worker
processes (i.e. a web garden), then you will experience the symptoms you are seeing. This is because each worker process has it's own memory, and ASP
sessions are stored in-memory. So, the first request creates a new session. The second request gets served (50% of the time) by the second worker
process, that doesn't know anything about the first session, and starts
another one.

Cheers
Ken

"grw" <no**@none.co m> wrote in message
news:u8******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP11.phx.gbl...
: Im trying to find why my hosted server won't maintain session state.
: Its not a web farm (not load balanced), its all the same server
:
: An application requires a session to be set and then recalled (like you do : :)
:
: However, since the server software was upgraded from IIS 5 to 6, the
working
: code no longer works.
: (ie - login with session variables but get logged out immediately the page : changes)
:
: Using simple code like <%=session.sess ionid%> on the IIS6 server, and
: refreshing the page shows a new ID most times - it should be the same id?? : Testing on the old server (IIS5) would keep the same session id.
:
: Where do I start looking and what pertinent questions do I need to ask my : host?
:
: TIA!
:
:
:

[zee]

Hi there, the last post states that the problem was solved, i was hoping
that it had more info as to what he/she did to solve the problem.

i read the suggestions on the web garden, i launched my IIS and saw
that the web gardens options are there when you look at the properties
of the application pool.

Would a good solution to the ASP sessions loosing data be, to

create a new application pool,
enable the recycle worker process at the following times and select 1
am or something.
uncheck shutdown workerprocess (would you recomend this?)
set the maximum number of worker processes to 1. (or can you switch of
this featuer some other way?)
The reason why i ask is because we just asked 10 of our clients to get
new servers and they all upgraded to server 2003 :)

the application is an ASP application, that relies heavily on session
variables...

any help would be appreciated, thank you.,.


grw wrote:

*Solved as a result thanks Ken.

"Ken Schaefer" <ke*******@THIS adOpenStatic.co mwrote in message
news:Oc******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...

Ask your hosting company if they are using a web garden for the

application

pool that your website is in. If the app pool is served by multiple

worker

processes (i.e. a web garden), then you will experience the

symptoms you
are

seeing. This is because each worker process has it's own memory,

and ASP

sessions are stored in-memory. So, the first request creates a new

session.

The second request gets served (50% of the time) by the second

worker

process, that doesn't know anything about the first session, and

starts

another one.

Cheers
Ken

"grw" <no**@none.comw rote in message
news:u8******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP11.phx.gbl...
: Im trying to find why my hosted server won't maintain session

state.

: Its not a web farm (not load balanced), its all the same server
:
: An application requires a session to be set and then recalled

(like you
do

: :)
:
: However, since the server software was upgraded from IIS 5 to 6,

the

working
: code no longer works.
: (ie - login with session variables but get logged out immediately

the
page

: changes)
:
: Using simple code like <%=session.sess ionid%on the IIS6 server,

and

: refreshing the page shows a new ID most times - it should be the

same
id??

: Testing on the old server (IIS5) would keep the same session id.
:
: Where do I start looking and what pertinent questions do I need

to ask
my

: host?
:
: TIA!
:
:
:

*

--
zee
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