Can I waste your time please

[salad]

Thanks for reading this post and wasting your time. I was thinking
about writing about the PCDatasheet vs The Pussyfarts war. The
pussyfarts, as near as I can tell, have little to offer this group but
pussyfart noise. But I realize if you are going waste your time...the
most precious commodity you have, you really shouldn't be reading
pussyfart messages.

You might want to read a book. There's a good kid book but actually it
is a great book for adults too. It's called The Phantom Tollboth. It's
a story about a bored boy; bored at school and bored at home. One day
he comes home and finds a package in his room that contains all the
elements required for a tollboth; a toll both, a car, a coin to to pay
and raise the tollboth bar. Once he assembles the unit he takes a spin
and soon is tooling down a road and drives on, and on, and on, and on
and his passage gets slower and slower and slower until his car stops.
Miles has ended up in the Doldrums. Poor boy. A WatchDog, by the name
of Tock, wakes Miles up from his nap and helps him escape the Doldrums.
Tock was very mad at Miles when Miles told Tock that he was wasting
time since Time was very important to Tock.

Anyway, Miles and Tock have many great adventures. He meets interesting
people like the Humbug and the Spelling Bee in Dictionopolis and learns
that the people in Dictionopilis are at odds with the people in
Digitopolis because Princesses Rhyme and Reason have been abducted and
are living in the Land Of Illusions above the Superstitious Mountains.
So Miles decides to save the princesses. Along the way he pays a short
visit to the Island Of Conclusions which he happened to jump to. He
also led an orchestra that brought day and night to the world. He met
monsters of ignorance and sloth. And somehow he gets to save the women.

I think you'll like the story. You can go to the link at
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/039...books&v=glance
to read more about the story. If you have kids I am sure they'll
appreciate the story. It's one of those stories for kids that really is
for the adults.

I wasted you time but hopefully you also got something out of it besides
pussyfarts.

[BillCo]

Actually, I dont mind my time being wasted today... it's my last day of
work before I head off on honeymoon for the christmas. won't see
another computer for 5 weeks and i love it!!!!

anyway - i dont usually make it a habit to respond to off-topic
flames... but if i understand your post correctly you are referring to
people who get upset at PCDatasheet as "pussyfarts", correct?

The way I see it, the folk who are most upset about this are the same
people who time and again offer free help and advice to everyone who
asks. They generously donate their time and expertise to all who ask
nicely. So when someone come in blasting the newsgroup with ads, it's
very disruptive. Especially when this person is using the newsgroup to
get answers to questions he can't answer and is charging clients for
them. Clients he seeks to solicit by antagonisng the people who give
him those answers int he first place. I'm sorry, but if finding this
offensive classifies one as a pussyfart then I'm going to have to stick
my leg up and declair myself a flatulent orifice.

[Keith W]

"BillCo" <co**********@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:11**********************@g43g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...

Actually, I dont mind my time being wasted today... it's my last day of
work before I head off on honeymoon for the christmas. won't see
another computer for 5 weeks and i love it!!!!
<snip> I'm sorry, but if finding this offensive classifies one as a pussyfart then I'm going to have to stick
my leg up and declair myself a flatulent orifice.

Eloquently put. Have a good honeymoon Bill :o)

[salad]

BillCo wrote:

The way I see it, the folk who are most upset about this are the same
people who time and again offer free help and advice to everyone who
asks.
Then you see it incorrectly from my perch. The people making the most
noise are those that have too much time on their hands and if you look
at the help they have offered in the past, it is minimal. They are very
good at making noise. It's too bad they aren't as helpful at helping
others.

They remind me of the Hawaiian missionaries. Sour, dour old farts that
had God on their side and a mission to sap the joy out of people. The
Fijians had a better idea...use the missionaries for dinner.

I have tried to understand these people, see if they have anything to
offer anyone. Basically, I have come to the point of view that they are
nothing more than shit-stirrers, sitting over a cauldron of shit and
stirring it with pleasure.
They generously donate their time and expertise to all who ask nicely.
Well, I'm waiting to see if they help people. All I see is shit-stirring.

So when someone come in blasting the newsgroup with ads, it's very disruptive.
To who? To small minded people that like to stuff their noses into
peoples assholes?

Especially when this person is using the newsgroup to get answers to questions he can't answer and is charging clients for
them. Clients he seeks to solicit by antagonisng the people who give
him those answers int he first place. I'm sorry, but if finding this
offensive classifies one as a pussyfart then I'm going to have to stick
my leg up and declair myself a flatulent orifice.

OK. You can declare yourself a pussyfart.
http://rocketpack.org/raymi-cunt_trumpet_music.html

BTW, you might want to take the book The Phantom Tollbooth with you on
your honeymoon.

[Lyle Fairfield]

salad wrote:

BillCo wrote:

The way I see it, the folk who are most upset about this are the same
people who time and again offer free help and advice to everyone who
asks.

Then you see it incorrectly from my perch. The people making the most
noise are those that have too much time on their hands and if you look
at the help they have offered in the past, it is minimal. They are very
good at making noise. It's too bad they aren't as helpful at helping
others.

I would be helped if you were more specific.
Who has complained and offered minimal help in the past?

--
Lyle Fairfield

[salad]

Lyle Fairfield wrote:

salad wrote:

BillCo wrote:

The way I see it, the folk who are most upset about this are the same
people who time and again offer free help and advice to everyone who
asks.

Then you see it incorrectly from my perch. The people making the most
noise are those that have too much time on their hands and if you look
at the help they have offered in the past, it is minimal. They are
very good at making noise. It's too bad they aren't as helpful at
helping others.

I would be helped if you were more specific.
Who has complained and offered minimal help in the past?

I don't see you or David Fenton or Tony Toews or Allen Browne or Albert
Kallal or other heavyweights making much of a deal about it. It's 2 or
3 people that are on a crusade to right Usenet. PCDatasheet didn't get
any flack, near as I can tell, until these 2 or 3 made it a mission to
clutter cdma with their righteousness.

Sure, there are some that have weighed in and stated their piece and
then moved on. Its not like its a Mission From God for them like these
other yahoos.

They remind me of the guy who used to post porn stuff last winter or
assumed other people's identity to post porn links or incorrect answers.
I consider that person and this lot a bunch of losers.

[Darryl Kerkeslager]

"salad" <oi*@vinegar.com> wrote

You might want to read a book. There's a good kid book but actually it is
a great book for adults too. It's called The Phantom Tollbooth.

Great book. Read it as a kid a long time ago. Thanks for the memory.

--
Darryl Kerkeslager

[PC Datasheet]

This guy also made the following responses earlier today ---

<sounds like you are confusing your back end with your front end... be
very careful in the bathroom>

<The code was meant more as a guidline, but I got a little sloppy there,
must have been too much blood in my coffee stream - sorry deercreed!!!
I really should hit preview before I post >
--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
Over 1050 users have come from the newsgroups trusting me and requesting
help.
re******@pcdatasheet.com


"BillCo" <co**********@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:11**********************@g43g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...

Actually, I dont mind my time being wasted today... it's my last day of
work before I head off on honeymoon for the christmas. won't see
another computer for 5 weeks and i love it!!!!

anyway - i dont usually make it a habit to respond to off-topic
flames... but if i understand your post correctly you are referring to
people who get upset at PCDatasheet as "pussyfarts", correct?

The way I see it, the folk who are most upset about this are the same
people who time and again offer free help and advice to everyone who
asks. They generously donate their time and expertise to all who ask
nicely. So when someone come in blasting the newsgroup with ads, it's
very disruptive. Especially when this person is using the newsgroup to
get answers to questions he can't answer and is charging clients for
them. Clients he seeks to solicit by antagonisng the people who give
him those answers int he first place. I'm sorry, but if finding this
offensive classifies one as a pussyfart then I'm going to have to stick
my leg up and declair myself a flatulent orifice.

[Lyle Fairfield]

I'm glad to see we have permission to post our favourite literature.
Lately reading the group has returned me to one of the poems of my
school days:

Mary sat musing on the lamp-flame at the table
Waiting for Warren. When she heard his step,
She ran on tip-toe down the darkened passage
To meet him in the doorway with the news
And put him on his guard. 'Silas is back.'
She pushed him outward with her through the door
And shut it after her. "Be kind," she said.
She took the market things from Warren's arms
And set them on the porch, then drew him down
To sit beside her on the wooden steps.

'When was I ever anything but kind to him?
But I'll not have the fellow back,' he said.
'I told him so last haying, didn't I?
"If he left then," I said, "that ended it."
What good is he? Who else will harbor him
At his age for the little he can do?
What help he is there's no depending on.
Off he goes always when I need him most.
'He thinks he ought to earn a little pay,
Enough at least to buy tobacco with,
won't have to beg and be beholden."
"All right," I say "I can't afford to pay
Any fixed wages, though I wish I could."
"Someone else can."
"Then someone else will have to.
I shouldn't mind his bettering himself
If that was what it was. You can be certain,
When he begins like that, there's someone at him
Trying to coax him off with pocket-money, --
In haying time, when any help is scarce.
In winter he comes back to us. I'm done.'

'Shh I not so loud: he'll hear you,' Mary said.

'I want him to: he'll have to soon or late.'

'He's worn out. He's asleep beside the stove.
When I came up from Rowe's I found him here,
Huddled against the barn-door fast asleep,
A miserable sight, and frightening, too-
You needn't smile -- I didn't recognize him-
I wasn't looking for him- and he's changed.
Wait till you see.'

'Where did you say he'd been?

'He didn't say. I dragged him to the house,
And gave him tea and tried to make him smoke.
I tried to make him talk about his travels.
Nothing would do: he just kept nodding off.'

'What did he say? Did he say anything?'

'But little.'

'Anything? Mary, confess
He said he'd come to ditch the meadow for me.'

'Warren!'

'But did he? I just want to know.'

'Of course he did. What would you have him say?
Surely you wouldn't grudge the poor old man
Some humble way to save his self-respect.
He added, if you really care to know,
He meant to dear the upper pasture, too.
That sounds like something you have heard before?
Warren, I wish you could have heard the way
He jumbled everything. I stopped to look
Two or three times -- he made me feel so queer--
To see if he was talking in his sleep.
He ran on Harold Wilson -- you remember -
The boy you had in haying four years since.
He's finished school, and teaching in his college.
Silas declares you'll have to get him back.
He says they two will make a team for work:
Between them they will lay this farm as smooth!
The way he mixed that in with other things.
He thinks young Wilson a likely lad, though daft
On education -- you know how they fought
All through July under the blazing sun,
Silas up on the cart to build the load,
Harold along beside to pitch it on.'

'Yes, I took care to keep well out of earshot.'

'Well, those days trouble Silas like a dream.
You wouldn't think they would. How some things linger!
Harold's young college boy's assurance piqued him.
After so many years he still keeps finding
Good arguments he sees he might have used.
I sympathize. I know just how it feels
To think of the right thing to say too late.
Harold's associated in his mind with Latin.
He asked me what I thought of Harold's saying
He studied Latin like the violin
Because he liked it -- that an argument!
He said he couldn't make the boy believe
He could find water with a hazel prong--
Which showed how much good school had ever done
him. He wanted to go over that. 'But most of all
He thinks if he could have another chance
To teach him how to build a load of hay --'

'I know, that's Silas' one accomplishment.
He bundles every forkful in its place,
And tags and numbers it for future reference,
So he can find and easily dislodge it
In the unloading. Silas does that well.
He takes it out in bunches like big birds' nests.
You never see him standing on the hay
He's trying to lift, straining to lift himself.'

'He thinks if he could teach him that, he'd be
Some good perhaps to someone in the world.
He hates to see a boy the fool of books.
Poor Silas, so concerned for other folk,
And nothing to look backward to with pride,
And nothing to look forward to with hope,
So now and never any different.'

Part of a moon was filling down the west,
Dragging the whole sky with it to the hills.
Its light poured softly in her lap. She saw
And spread her apron to it. She put out her hand
Among the harp-like morning-glory strings,
Taut with the dew from garden bed to eaves,
As if she played unheard the tenderness
That wrought on him beside her in the night.
'Warren,' she said, 'he has come home to die:
You needn't be afraid he'll leave you this time.'

'Home,' he mocked gently.

'Yes, what else but home?
It all depends on what you mean by home.
Of course he's nothing to us, any more
then was the hound that came a stranger to us
Out of the woods, worn out upon the trail.'

'Home is the place where, when you have to go there,
They have to take you in.'

'I should have called it
Something you somehow haven't to deserve.'

Warren leaned out and took a step or two,
Picked up a little stick, and brought it back
And broke it in his hand and tossed it by.
'Silas has better claim on' us, you think,
Than on his brother? Thirteen little miles
As the road winds would bring him to his door.
Silas has walked that far no doubt to-day.
Why didn't he go there? His brother's rich,
A somebody- director in the bank.'

'He never told us that.'

'We know it though.'

'I think his brother ought to help, of course.
I'll see to that if there is need. He ought of right
To take him in, and might be willing to--
He may be better than appearances.
But have some pity on Silas. Do you think
If he'd had any pride in claiming kin
Or anything he looked for from his brother,
He'd keep so still about him all this time?'

'I wonder what's between them.'

'I can tell you.
Silas is what he is -- we wouldn't mind him--
But just the kind that kinsfolk can't abide.
He never did a thing so very bad.
He don't know why he isn't quite as good
As anyone. He won't be made ashamed
To please his brother, worthless though he is.'

'I can't think Si ever hurt anyone.'

'No, but he hurt my heart the way he lay
And rolled his old head on that sharp-edged chair-back.
He wouldn't let me put him on the lounge.
You must go in and see what you can do.
I made the bed up for him there to-night.
You'll be surprised at him -- how much he's broken.
His working days are done; I'm sure of it.'

'I'd not be in a hurry to say that.'

'I haven't been. Go, look, see for yourself.
But, Warren, please remember how it is:
He' come to help you ditch the meadow.
He has a plan, You mustn't laugh at him.
He may not speak of it, and then he may.
I'll sit and see if that small sailing cloud
Will hit or miss the moon.'

It hit the moon.

Then there were three there, making a dim row,
The moon, the little silver cloud, and she.
Warren returned-- too soon, it seemed to her,
Slipped to her side, caught up her hand and waited.

'Warren?' she questioned.

'Dead,' was all he answered.
************

full moon tomorrow night, I think.

[Terry Kreft]

Apropos

--
Terry Kreft

"Lyle Fairfield" <ly***********@aim.com> wrote in message
news:11**********************@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...

I'm glad to see we have permission to post our favourite literature.
Lately reading the group has returned me to one of the poems of my
school days:

Mary sat musing on the lamp-flame at the table
Waiting for Warren. When she heard his step, <SNIP> 'Warren?' she questioned.

'Dead,' was all he answered.
************

full moon tomorrow night, I think.

[Rob Oldfield]

Sadly, that's just plain wrong:

People have been complaining about him since I remember. (Can't remember
how long exactly, but something like 5 years)
The last time PCD tried to co-opt the 'heavyweights' (via a lunatic proof by
omission) they summarily slapped him.

"salad" <oi*@vinegar.com> wrote in message
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Lyle Fairfield wrote:

salad wrote:

BillCo wrote:

The way I see it, the folk who are most upset about this are the same
people who time and again offer free help and advice to everyone who
asks.
Then you see it incorrectly from my perch. The people making the most
noise are those that have too much time on their hands and if you look
at the help they have offered in the past, it is minimal. They are
very good at making noise. It's too bad they aren't as helpful at
helping others.

I would be helped if you were more specific.
Who has complained and offered minimal help in the past?

I don't see you or David Fenton or Tony Toews or Allen Browne or Albert
Kallal or other heavyweights making much of a deal about it. It's 2 or
3 people that are on a crusade to right Usenet. PCDatasheet didn't get
any flack, near as I can tell, until these 2 or 3 made it a mission to
clutter cdma with their righteousness.

Sure, there are some that have weighed in and stated their piece and
then moved on. Its not like its a Mission From God for them like these
other yahoos.

They remind me of the guy who used to post porn stuff last winter or
assumed other people's identity to post porn links or incorrect answers.
I consider that person and this lot a bunch of losers.

[PC Datasheet]

Add this responder's name to the list of losers!!

Let's see, there is --
Arno R
John Marshall
Keith Wilby
Randy Harris
Duane Hookum
Rob Oldfield
--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
Over 1050 users have come from the newsgroups trusting me and requesting
help.
re******@pcdatasheet.com
"Rob Oldfield" <bl**@blah.com> wrote in message
news:43***********************@news.zen.co.uk...

Sadly, that's just plain wrong:

People have been complaining about him since I remember. (Can't remember
how long exactly, but something like 5 years)
The last time PCD tried to co-opt the 'heavyweights' (via a lunatic proof
by
omission) they summarily slapped him.

"salad" <oi*@vinegar.com> wrote in message
news:Ss****************@newsread1.news.pas.earthli nk.net...

Lyle Fairfield wrote:

> salad wrote:
>
>> BillCo wrote:
>>
>>> The way I see it, the folk who are most upset about this are the same
>>> people who time and again offer free help and advice to everyone who
>>> asks.
>>
>>
>> Then you see it incorrectly from my perch. The people making the most
>> noise are those that have too much time on their hands and if you look
>> at the help they have offered in the past, it is minimal. They are
>> very good at making noise. It's too bad they aren't as helpful at
>> helping others.
>
>
> I would be helped if you were more specific.
> Who has complained and offered minimal help in the past?
>

I don't see you or David Fenton or Tony Toews or Allen Browne or Albert
Kallal or other heavyweights making much of a deal about it. It's 2 or
3 people that are on a crusade to right Usenet. PCDatasheet didn't get
any flack, near as I can tell, until these 2 or 3 made it a mission to
clutter cdma with their righteousness.

Sure, there are some that have weighed in and stated their piece and
then moved on. Its not like its a Mission From God for them like these
other yahoos.

They remind me of the guy who used to post porn stuff last winter or
assumed other people's identity to post porn links or incorrect answers.
I consider that person and this lot a bunch of losers.

[Stephen Lebans]

Steve please add my name to your list of losers.

--
Stephen Lebans
http://www.lebans.com
Access Code, Tips and Tricks
Please respond only to the newsgroups so everyone can benefit.
"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> wrote in message
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Add this responder's name to the list of losers!!

Let's see, there is --
Arno R
John Marshall
Keith Wilby
Randy Harris
Duane Hookum
Rob Oldfield
--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
Over 1050 users have come from the newsgroups trusting me and requesting
help.
re******@pcdatasheet.com
"Rob Oldfield" <bl**@blah.com> wrote in message
news:43***********************@news.zen.co.uk...

Sadly, that's just plain wrong:

People have been complaining about him since I remember. (Can't remember
how long exactly, but something like 5 years)
The last time PCD tried to co-opt the 'heavyweights' (via a lunatic proof
by
omission) they summarily slapped him.

"salad" <oi*@vinegar.com> wrote in message
news:Ss****************@newsread1.news.pas.earthli nk.net...

Lyle Fairfield wrote:
> salad wrote:
>
>> BillCo wrote:
>>
>>> The way I see it, the folk who are most upset about this are the
>>> same
>>> people who time and again offer free help and advice to everyone who
>>> asks.
>>
>>
>> Then you see it incorrectly from my perch. The people making the
>> most
>> noise are those that have too much time on their hands and if you
>> look
>> at the help they have offered in the past, it is minimal. They are
>> very good at making noise. It's too bad they aren't as helpful at
>> helping others.
>
>
> I would be helped if you were more specific.
> Who has complained and offered minimal help in the past?
>
I don't see you or David Fenton or Tony Toews or Allen Browne or Albert
Kallal or other heavyweights making much of a deal about it. It's 2 or
3 people that are on a crusade to right Usenet. PCDatasheet didn't get
any flack, near as I can tell, until these 2 or 3 made it a mission to
clutter cdma with their righteousness.

Sure, there are some that have weighed in and stated their piece and
then moved on. Its not like its a Mission From God for them like these
other yahoos.

They remind me of the guy who used to post porn stuff last winter or
assumed other people's identity to post porn links or incorrect answers.
I consider that person and this lot a bunch of losers.

[John Marshall, MVP]

"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> wrote in message
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Add this responder's name to the list of losers!!

Let's see, there is --
Arno R
John Marshall
Keith Wilby
Randy Harris
Duane Hookum
Rob Oldfield

You left off my brother Tim.

John... Visio MVP

PS: You really should learn how to trim your posts.

[Keith W]

"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> wrote in message
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Add this responder's name to the list of losers!!

Let's see, there is --

.... everyone who voices an objection to your breaking the rules.

What about the "class acts" who came out against you Steve, you've yet to
answer that one despite being asked four times now. You *have* no answer do
you because it has exposed you as an even bigger idiot.

[Rob Oldfield]

Well thank you. I feel that I've achieved something today now.

I know that it's completely pointless for me to mention that you have, as
usual, chosen to ignore the point that I made, but what the hell.
"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> wrote in message
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Add this responder's name to the list of losers!!

Let's see, there is --
Arno R
John Marshall
Keith Wilby
Randy Harris
Duane Hookum
Rob Oldfield
--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
Over 1050 users have come from the newsgroups trusting me and requesting
help.
re******@pcdatasheet.com
"Rob Oldfield" <bl**@blah.com> wrote in message
news:43***********************@news.zen.co.uk...

Sadly, that's just plain wrong:

People have been complaining about him since I remember. (Can't remember how long exactly, but something like 5 years)
The last time PCD tried to co-opt the 'heavyweights' (via a lunatic proof by
omission) they summarily slapped him.

"salad" <oi*@vinegar.com> wrote in message
news:Ss****************@newsread1.news.pas.earthli nk.net...

Lyle Fairfield wrote:
> salad wrote:
>
>> BillCo wrote:
>>
>>> The way I see it, the folk who are most upset about this are the same >>> people who time and again offer free help and advice to everyone who >>> asks.
>>
>>
>> Then you see it incorrectly from my perch. The people making the most >> noise are those that have too much time on their hands and if you look >> at the help they have offered in the past, it is minimal. They are
>> very good at making noise. It's too bad they aren't as helpful at
>> helping others.
>
>
> I would be helped if you were more specific.
> Who has complained and offered minimal help in the past?
>
I don't see you or David Fenton or Tony Toews or Allen Browne or Albert
Kallal or other heavyweights making much of a deal about it. It's 2 or
3 people that are on a crusade to right Usenet. PCDatasheet didn't get
any flack, near as I can tell, until these 2 or 3 made it a mission to
clutter cdma with their righteousness.

Sure, there are some that have weighed in and stated their piece and
then moved on. Its not like its a Mission From God for them like these
other yahoos.

They remind me of the guy who used to post porn stuff last winter or
assumed other people's identity to post porn links or incorrect answers. I consider that person and this lot a bunch of losers.

[Randy Harris]

The pattern has been, if nothing else, consistent. Anyone that disagrees
with datasheet is a dimwit, a loser, or an idiot. Or, a combination of the
above.

--
Randy Harris
tech at promail dot com
I'm pretty sure I know everything that I can remember.
"Rob Oldfield" <bl**@blah.com> wrote in message
news:43***********************@news.zen.co.uk...

Well thank you. I feel that I've achieved something today now.

I know that it's completely pointless for me to mention that you have, as
usual, chosen to ignore the point that I made, but what the hell.
"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> wrote in message
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Add this responder's name to the list of losers!!

Let's see, there is --
Arno R
John Marshall
Keith Wilby
Randy Harris
Duane Hookum
Rob Oldfield
--
PC Datasheet

[Tim Marshall]

salad wrote:

Sure, there are some that have weighed in and stated their piece and
then moved on. Its not like its a Mission From God for them like these
other yahoos.

I have to disagree with you.

As someone who has yelled at Steve a number of times recently and in the
past, it's my opinion and experience that if there are enough people
flaunting a group's charter eventually they destroy it if they feel they
can get away with it. There are a number of usenet groups I used to
subscribe to that have become total wastelands with very little to do
with what the group is meant for (try some of the stuff in the sci
hierarchy, geology, for one, plus there are a large number of others).

I understand your point of view and I think some of us here are a little
extreme at times - as I recently mentioned, repeated complaints to an
ISP are the way to go after the offender has been tongue lashed and is
unrepentant. However, lack of action, which seems to be what you're
espousing is the other extreme and can and HAS resulted in some
previously excellent resources being taken over by twits who like to
hear themselves talk.
--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "Whatcha doin?" - Ditto "TIM-MAY!!" - Me

[salad]

Tim Marshall wrote:

salad wrote:

Sure, there are some that have weighed in and stated their piece and
then moved on. Its not like its a Mission From God for them like
these other yahoos.

I have to disagree with you.

As someone who has yelled at Steve a number of times recently and in the
past, it's my opinion and experience that if there are enough people
flaunting a group's charter eventually they destroy it if they feel they
can get away with it. There are a number of usenet groups I used to
subscribe to that have become total wastelands with very little to do
with what the group is meant for (try some of the stuff in the sci
hierarchy, geology, for one, plus there are a large number of others).

I understand your point of view and I think some of us here are a little
extreme at times - as I recently mentioned, repeated complaints to an
ISP are the way to go after the offender has been tongue lashed and is
unrepentant. However, lack of action, which seems to be what you're
espousing is the other extreme and can and HAS resulted in some
previously excellent resources being taken over by twits who like to
hear themselves talk.

I guess I simply happened to stumble onto this long running war with
your guys and datasheet recently. I didn't know its been a long running
one. Maybe I've been focusing on answering, to the best of my ability,
questions posted by novices.

When XMVP started trashing this place last year (or was it the year
prior?) this was a very uncomfortable place to be. So now I figure the
righteous, even if right, will make this place uncomfortable for me and
others...others being new people or those with questions and seeing more
crap about a guy who has a tag line that offends people and decide not
to come back.

I guess what Steve has done that has gotten the group mad simply does
nothing for me. Maybe I have a low threshold for pain.

This is like the homosexual debate..."the homos are trying to get
married. Once they get that right, we'll all divorce our husbands and
wives and come out of the closet and shack up with members of our own
sex." I figure the only people upset about homosexuals getting married
are people that are homosexual but deny it...like Rev Phelps, Pat
Roberston, Jerry Foulwell, and the Republican Neal Horsley that had sex
with a donkey.

I simply don't see the wasteland here, where everyone is now rushing out
to drum up business here because datasheet carved out a new frontier. I
don't see the complaints offering anything positive to this group. I
don't think the complaints are going to change anything. All I see is
further acrimony and waste of time.

Maybe this group needs to be moderated.

[Tim Marshall]

salad wrote:

When XMVP started trashing this place last year (or was it the year
prior?)
DM has been haunting this group for a much, much longer time than that...
This is like the homosexual debate
Thank god I live in a place that has far more enlightened debate than
what you're describing! 8)
I simply don't see the wasteland here, where everyone is now rushing out
Sorry, but that's how it happens. It's how usenet regulates itself and
it's how groups deteriorate. The issue isn't advertizing per se, it's
the violation of the charter.
Maybe this group needs to be moderated.

Nope.
--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "Whatcha doin?" - Ditto "TIM-MAY!!" - Me

[Mike Preston]

Steve, please me to your "list of losers!!"

Thanks

mike

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:42:13 GMT, "PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam>
wrote:

Add this responder's name to the list of losers!!

Let's see, there is --
Arno R
John Marshall
Keith Wilby
Randy Harris
Duane Hookum
Rob Oldfield
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"Rob Oldfield" <bl**@blah.com> wrote in message
news:43***********************@news.zen.co.uk.. .

Sadly, that's just plain wrong:

People have been complaining about him since I remember. (Can't remember
how long exactly, but something like 5 years)
The last time PCD tried to co-opt the 'heavyweights' (via a lunatic proof
by
omission) they summarily slapped him.

"salad" <oi*@vinegar.com> wrote in message
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Lyle Fairfield wrote:
> salad wrote:
>
>> BillCo wrote:
>>
>>> The way I see it, the folk who are most upset about this are the same
>>> people who time and again offer free help and advice to everyone who
>>> asks.
>>
>>
>> Then you see it incorrectly from my perch. The people making the most
>> noise are those that have too much time on their hands and if you look
>> at the help they have offered in the past, it is minimal. They are
>> very good at making noise. It's too bad they aren't as helpful at
>> helping others.
>
>
> I would be helped if you were more specific.
> Who has complained and offered minimal help in the past?
>
I don't see you or David Fenton or Tony Toews or Allen Browne or Albert
Kallal or other heavyweights making much of a deal about it. It's 2 or
3 people that are on a crusade to right Usenet. PCDatasheet didn't get
any flack, near as I can tell, until these 2 or 3 made it a mission to
clutter cdma with their righteousness.

Sure, there are some that have weighed in and stated their piece and
then moved on. Its not like its a Mission From God for them like these
other yahoos.

They remind me of the guy who used to post porn stuff last winter or
assumed other people's identity to post porn links or incorrect answers.
I consider that person and this lot a bunch of losers.

[Keith W]

"salad" <oi*@vinegar.com> wrote in message
news:HC****************@newsread2.news.pas.earthli nk.net...

All I see is further acrimony and waste of time.
The majority of my postings are responses to help requests. Very little of
my time is spent on this issue.

Maybe this group needs to be moderated.

That's a great idea, but wouldn't that cost money?