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Enhancing the FAQ. Please suggest enhacements.... (new topic, getting closer...)



Every thread I start goes out on a tangent simply because some of you
people are not reading my posts carefully:

Here is the phrase I am proposing for inclusion in the FAQ:

"to existing members of the group: please understand that for every
expert in a field, there are many new comers who will need direction
and help to get started. Please encourage new-comers by being tolerant

of all questions, even if not well-researched, or well-phrased. These
qualities cannot be expected of someone lacking the necessary
coordination in a given field, and without our intial help, we will
only delay these new-comers' progress in getting the necessary skills
to become productive memebers of this group. If you don't feel like
answering a post because it is not well researched, or well
constructed, please ignore the post."

Some facts that I must reiterate:
1-I am not upset about any answers or non-answers that I have received
on this board. I wrote my initial post because of reading a thread (
http://groups.google.com/group/comp....sasan3+knoppix
) with a rude reply which made me concerned about how our good
community is loosing a good number of new-comers because of the bad
manners of a few, who as I said previously, though good technically,
should not be allowed to leave their cubicle.

2-My cross-posting is not without reason. This is a topic that relates
to all newsgroups, specially technical ones. As such, any discussion
about this topic MUST be posted to all original groups. I urge you to
include other groups that you think can benefit from this dialogue.

3-Please read this one VERY VERY carefully. I am not trying to force
anyone to provide answers. If you don't want to give answers, by all
means, please move on to the next post. All I am saying is if you don't
want to give answers, don't discourage new-comers by posting
discouraging replies. After all, someone else on the board may find
that question reasonable and provide an answer, and by that time, the
new-comer may have decided to move on because of the rude initial post.

4-I must reiterate. I am not trying to force anyone to provide answers.
I am just asking anyone who doesn't like a question to leave it to
someone more tolerant to answer.

5-Someone said, I must be tolerant of the newsgourp culture. I
disagree. If something sucks, you must stand up and correct it even if
the status quo has become a comfort zone for a few.

I look forward to your enhancements of my suggested sentence. I urge
people who think their respective FAQ already includes such a message,
to post that section.

Thanks.

Sasan

Dec 15 '05 #1
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mst
On 15 Dec 2005 02:17:53 -0800 "sa****@gmail.c om" <sa****@gmail.c om> wrote:
I look forward to your enhancements of my suggested sentence. I urge
people who think their respective FAQ already includes such a message,
to post that section.


You've crossposted to newsgroups that have no relation.

These are not "boards" as you occassionally remark, they
are "newsgroups ".

Your suggestions for inclusion in the FAQ are selfish.

USENET does have a specialized cultural attitude - get used to it.

Now, go away.

--
remove MYSHOES to email
Dec 15 '05 #2
Do we all agree that MST's reply clearly indicates that he did not read
my post?

Dec 15 '05 #3
begin virus.txt.scr sa****@gmail.co m wrote:
Do we all agree that MST's reply clearly indicates that he did not read
my post?


We can all agree that he indeed did read your post and identified it as
total, utter rubbish
--
Microsoft software doesn't get released - it escapes, leaving
a trail of destruction behind it.

Dec 15 '05 #4
Peter Köhlmann wrote:
begin virus.txt.scr sa****@gmail.co m wrote:

Do we all agree that MST's reply clearly indicates that he did not read
my post?

We can all agree that he indeed did read your post and identified it as
total, utter rubbish


I think it interesting that the two answers to the original post so far,
whatever the original post's merits may have been, are examples of what the
original poster was talking about.

Clearly, some posters here disagree with the original poster. Unless their
sense of humor, and they are just illustrating by irony the original
poster's point, differs greatly from mine.

I tend to agree with the O.P. that the tone of this newsgroup (and this one
is by no means the worst) could use a lift in some cases. I do not know if
saying something to that effect in the FAQ would help much. For one thing,
where do you put the most frequently useful replies: READ THE FAQ? Whould a
newbie read the FAQ. He may already be in a panic, and the FAQ only comes
out once a week or so, and it takes several posts (6, IIRC: you can see the
last time I bothered to look at it) to get it all in there.

Perhaps many of those to whom the O.P. objects have contributed to the FAQ.
I would not know. It seems to me that many (but by no means all) of the most
knowledgeable get annoyed at seeing the same questions year after year.
Especially questions that are answered in the FAQ. This can get on their
nerves. I used to recommend DejaNews for answers, but it (or, rather,
Google) has gotten so many posts in there that it is like doing any other
Google search: you either get nothing, or 14 million drops and after a page
or two of those, I give up. Perhaps others do too.

--
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/V\ PGP-Key: 9A2FC99A Registered Machine 241939.
/( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey http://counter.li.org
^^-^^ 08:50:00 up 18 days, 19:21, 5 users, load average: 4.20, 4.28, 4.21
Dec 15 '05 #5
No, I think we all agree you are an inconsiderate self-centred idiot who is
unable to read other peoples posts and understand them.

BTW Nice trolling up to now.
--
Terry Kreft

<sa****@gmail.c om> wrote in message
news:11******** **************@ g43g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com.. .
Do we all agree that MST's reply clearly indicates that he did not read
my post?

Dec 15 '05 #6
Peter Köhlmann wrote:
begin virus.txt.scr sa****@gmail.co m wrote:
Do we all agree that MST's reply clearly indicates that he did not read
my post?


We can all agree that he indeed did read your post and identified it as
total, utter rubbish


Why?
I read the post, and it did not strike me as "rubbish".
It was slightly self-centered, but that is a different matter.

As far as I could see, the post more or less just said,
"Please be nice to newbies, and don't discourage them".
Did you read something else into it?

--
Timothy Murphy
e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths .tcd.ie
tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland
Dec 15 '05 #7
You evidently haven't read all the different threads (I think this is the
fourth) started by the troll sasan. If you had you would understand that
peoples exaperation with his refusal to acknowledge answers contrary to his
viewpoint as anything other than vindications of his viewpoint is growing.
--
Terry Kreft

"Jean-David Beyer" <jd*****@exit10 9.com> wrote in message
news:11******** *****@corp.supe rnews.com...
Peter Köhlmann wrote:
begin virus.txt.scr sa****@gmail.co m wrote:

Do we all agree that MST's reply clearly indicates that he did not read
my post?

We can all agree that he indeed did read your post and identified it as
total, utter rubbish


I think it interesting that the two answers to the original post so far,
whatever the original post's merits may have been, are examples of what
the
original poster was talking about.

Clearly, some posters here disagree with the original poster. Unless their
sense of humor, and they are just illustrating by irony the original
poster's point, differs greatly from mine.

I tend to agree with the O.P. that the tone of this newsgroup (and this
one
is by no means the worst) could use a lift in some cases. I do not know if
saying something to that effect in the FAQ would help much. For one thing,
where do you put the most frequently useful replies: READ THE FAQ? Whould
a
newbie read the FAQ. He may already be in a panic, and the FAQ only comes
out once a week or so, and it takes several posts (6, IIRC: you can see
the
last time I bothered to look at it) to get it all in there.

Perhaps many of those to whom the O.P. objects have contributed to the
FAQ.
I would not know. It seems to me that many (but by no means all) of the
most
knowledgeable get annoyed at seeing the same questions year after year.
Especially questions that are answered in the FAQ. This can get on their
nerves. I used to recommend DejaNews for answers, but it (or, rather,
Google) has gotten so many posts in there that it is like doing any other
Google search: you either get nothing, or 14 million drops and after a
page
or two of those, I give up. Perhaps others do too.

--
.~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
/V\ PGP-Key: 9A2FC99A Registered Machine 241939.
/( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey http://counter.li.org
^^-^^ 08:50:00 up 18 days, 19:21, 5 users, load average: 4.20, 4.28, 4.21

Dec 15 '05 #8
In article <G-*************** *****@karoo.co. uk>,
"Terry Kreft" <te*********@mp s.co.uk> writes:
No, I think we all agree you are an inconsiderate self-centred idiot who is
unable to read other peoples posts and understand them.

BTW Nice trolling up to now.


Uh, gang? Would you please remove comp.mail.sendm ail from this heavily cross-
posted discussion. Takes up bandwidth better used for other, more exciting
things, like paint-drying contests or grass-growing observations. This, and
the "...Self-Appointed..." thread have long since ceased to be amusing or
appropriate to c.m.s.

Thanx.

Dec 15 '05 #9
This is the third or fourth thread on this topic started by this troll. He
has no interest in dialog, merely expressing his opinions in threads
crossposted to unrelated newsgroups.

IMO - The best solution is to simply killfile sa****@gmail.co m. If,
however, you wish to attempt to engage him in dialog please uncrosspost
before doing so.

My apologies for propagating this crosspost, I won't do it again.

--
Randy Harris
tech at promail dot com
Dec 15 '05 #10

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