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Formal name for the (Mc,Mac,O,Van.. .) part of a last name?

Is there a formal name for the (Mc,Mac,O,Van.. .) part of a last name?
Tom

Nov 13 '05 #1
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Yes, there is. It is part of the last name and there are not spaces.
MCDONALD.
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"Tom Warren" <tw*@gate.net > wrote in message
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Is there a formal name for the (Mc,Mac,O,Van.. .) part of a last name?
Tom

Nov 13 '05 #2
"DC" <nospam> wrote:
Yes, there is. It is part of the last name and there are not spaces.
MCDONALD.


In the case of Mcs and Macs you are correct. However not for the Van and von den's
of seen. O with the apostrophe is an iffy case.

Tony
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Nov 13 '05 #3
Tom Warren wrote:
Is there a formal name for the (Mc,Mac,O,Van.. .) part of a last name?
Tom


"Drunk"?
Nov 13 '05 #4
rkc
Lyle Fairfield wrote:
Tom Warren wrote:
Is there a formal name for the (Mc,Mac,O,Van.. .) part of a last name?
Tom

"Drunk"?


I had a feeling you were.
Nov 13 '05 #5
Br
Tony Toews wrote:
"DC" <nospam> wrote:
Yes, there is. It is part of the last name and there are not spaces.
MCDONALD.


In the case of Mcs and Macs you are correct. However not for the Van
and von den's of seen. O with the apostrophe is an iffy case.

Tony


I've yet to be able to code the capilisation for all known variants of
names like this... Esp with "van" which can have either caps (and there
are probably others).

Br@dley
Nov 13 '05 #6
"Tom Warren" <tw*@gate.net > wrote
Is there a formal name for the (Mc,Mac,O,Van.. .) part of a last name?


PreSurname appears to have been coined here:

http://www.johncardinal.com/tmgutil/capitalizenames.htm

But most sites simply use "prefix". The site cited above is for a utility
to capitalize thousands of surnames correctly.
Darryl Kerkeslager

Nov 13 '05 #7

Br@dley wrote:
I've yet to be able to code the capilisation for all known variants of names like this... Esp with "van" which can have either caps (and there are probably others).

Br@dley


Me either, but I still try.

Tom

Nov 13 '05 #8
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 02:43:05 GMT, "Br@dley" <br@dley.com> wrote:

I'm an expert on "van". It's always lowercase if it has a Dutch root.
It is considered part of the last name. Don't confuse it with a middle
initial. I never understood the middle initial part - Dutch catholics
often have 3 names, like in Thomas Petrus Johannes van Stiphout. I
guess P.J. would be my middle initial?

-Tom.

Tony Toews wrote:
"DC" <nospam> wrote:
Yes, there is. It is part of the last name and there are not spaces.
MCDONALD.


In the case of Mcs and Macs you are correct. However not for the Van
and von den's of seen. O with the apostrophe is an iffy case.

Tony


I've yet to be able to code the capilisation for all known variants of
names like this... Esp with "van" which can have either caps (and there
are probably others).

Br@dley


Nov 13 '05 #9
rkc wrote:
Lyle Fairfield wrote:
Tom Warren wrote:
Is there a formal name for the (Mc,Mac,O,Van.. .) part of a last name?
Tom


"Drunk"?


I had a feeling you were.


Does this mean you are not going ahead with your plan to refinance The
Breeze, so that you can come over and visit?

I hope no one took offense to my association of "Drunk" with Mc, Mac and
O. It was just a association I learned in my childhood.

The Vans, of course, were not drunks, but carriers.
Nov 13 '05 #10

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