referencing forms / modules without opening them

[Jelmer]

Hi I've been trying to create an addin similar to Find & Replace from Rick
Fisher that looks thru your tables / queries / forms / modules etc.. for a
reference to a string and optionally let's you replace it.

In order to get this to work I need to get

- the tablenames and columnnames
- the queries in plaintext
- the properties of a form and the properties of elements contained within
it
- the sourcecode in the various vb modules formmodules and classmodules

I found out that for queries and tables this is fairly simple using DAO

However things get's a bit daunting with forms and modules since I can't
seem to find a way to access these objects without opening them

You can reference stuff thru Application.For ms and Application.Mod ules but
these only contain the currently opened forms / modules and I need *all*
forms

CurrentProject. AllForms lists all forms but returns only AccessObject's
which basicly means I can only get the name of form and if it's been loaded.
But I can't reference it without loading it which is well let me say pretty
anoying

I know I can do

DoCmd.OpenForm formName, , , , , acHidden

and then later close it, but that seems rather hackish and has some problems

For modules things get even more messy since I don't think you can open a
module in hidden mode, So when I open the form with DoCmd.openModul e the vba
environment pops up. not very elegant.. to say the least

The only workaround I've found sofar is using the *shrug* undocumented
Application.Sav eAsText function to look inside the code , change it on disk
and then reeimport it with Application.Loa dFromText

Could someone suggest a more elegant way?

[MacDermott]

A rather good utility which does this is Speed Ferret by Black Moshannon.
While not free, its cost is probably less than a reasonable rate for your
development times the hours you'll spend on it.
If I recall correctly, it does actually open all your forms & modules, but
it's got some good tricks for keeping them hidden.

HTH
- Turtle

"Jelmer" <jk******@plane t.nl> wrote in message
news:c1******** **@reader10.wxs .nl...

Hi I've been trying to create an addin similar to Find & Replace from Rick
Fisher that looks thru your tables / queries / forms / modules etc.. for a
reference to a string and optionally let's you replace it.

In order to get this to work I need to get

- the tablenames and columnnames
- the queries in plaintext
- the properties of a form and the properties of elements contained within
it
- the sourcecode in the various vb modules formmodules and classmodules

I found out that for queries and tables this is fairly simple using DAO

However things get's a bit daunting with forms and modules since I can't
seem to find a way to access these objects without opening them

You can reference stuff thru Application.For ms and Application.Mod ules but
these only contain the currently opened forms / modules and I need *all*
forms

CurrentProject. AllForms lists all forms but returns only AccessObject's
which basicly means I can only get the name of form and if it's been loaded. But I can't reference it without loading it which is well let me say pretty anoying

I know I can do

DoCmd.OpenForm formName, , , , , acHidden

and then later close it, but that seems rather hackish and has some problems
For modules things get even more messy since I don't think you can open a
module in hidden mode, So when I open the form with DoCmd.openModul e the vba environment pops up. not very elegant.. to say the least

The only workaround I've found sofar is using the *shrug* undocumented
Application.Sav eAsText function to look inside the code , change it on disk and then reeimport it with Application.Loa dFromText

Could someone suggest a more elegant way?

[Jelmer]

Yes I knew about speed ferret before starting this endevour and though I
like it I thought the $199 pricetag was a bit steep. So I decided to write
my own, It shouldn't be too hard afterall right? To me writing this is just
a way of getting reaquainted with access since the last time I used it for
anything serious was eh well quite some time ago. So time spent isn't really
an issue

"MacDermott " <ma********@nos pam.com> wrote in message
news:9x******** **********@news read1.news.atl. earthlink.net.. .

A rather good utility which does this is Speed Ferret by Black Moshannon.
While not free, its cost is probably less than a reasonable rate for your
development times the hours you'll spend on it.
If I recall correctly, it does actually open all your forms & modules, but
it's got some good tricks for keeping them hidden.

HTH
- Turtle

"Jelmer" <jk******@plane t.nl> wrote in message
news:c1******** **@reader10.wxs .nl...

Hi I've been trying to create an addin similar to Find & Replace from Rick Fisher that looks thru your tables / queries / forms / modules etc.. for a reference to a string and optionally let's you replace it.

In order to get this to work I need to get

- the tablenames and columnnames
- the queries in plaintext
- the properties of a form and the properties of elements contained within it
- the sourcecode in the various vb modules formmodules and classmodules

I found out that for queries and tables this is fairly simple using DAO

However things get's a bit daunting with forms and modules since I can't
seem to find a way to access these objects without opening them

You can reference stuff thru Application.For ms and Application.Mod ules but these only contain the currently opened forms / modules and I need *all*
forms

CurrentProject. AllForms lists all forms but returns only AccessObject's
which basicly means I can only get the name of form and if it's been

loaded.

But I can't reference it without loading it which is well let me say

pretty

anoying

I know I can do

DoCmd.OpenForm formName, , , , , acHidden

and then later close it, but that seems rather hackish and has some

problems

For modules things get even more messy since I don't think you can open a module in hidden mode, So when I open the form with DoCmd.openModul e the

vba

environment pops up. not very elegant.. to say the least

The only workaround I've found sofar is using the *shrug* undocumented
Application.Sav eAsText function to look inside the code , change it on

disk

and then reeimport it with Application.Loa dFromText

Could someone suggest a more elegant way?

[Matthew Sullivan]

You might be able to use API calls to hide the window(s) related to
the VBA IDE.

On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 12:08:33 +0100, "Jelmer" <jk******@plane t.nl>
wrote:

Yes I knew about speed ferret before starting this endevour and though I
like it I thought the $199 pricetag was a bit steep. So I decided to write
my own, It shouldn't be too hard afterall right? To me writing this is just
a way of getting reaquainted with access since the last time I used it for
anything serious was eh well quite some time ago. So time spent isn't really
an issue

"MacDermott " <ma********@nos pam.com> wrote in message
news:9x******* ***********@new sread1.news.atl .earthlink.net. ..

A rather good utility which does this is Speed Ferret by Black Moshannon.
While not free, its cost is probably less than a reasonable rate for your
development times the hours you'll spend on it.
If I recall correctly, it does actually open all your forms & modules, but
it's got some good tricks for keeping them hidden.

HTH
- Turtle

"Jelmer" <jk******@plane t.nl> wrote in message
news:c1******** **@reader10.wxs .nl...

> Hi I've been trying to create an addin similar to Find & Replace fromRick > Fisher that looks thru your tables / queries / forms / modules etc.. fora > reference to a string and optionally let's you replace it.
>
> In order to get this to work I need to get
>
> - the tablenames and columnnames
> - the queries in plaintext
> - the properties of a form and the properties of elements containedwithin > it
> - the sourcecode in the various vb modules formmodules and classmodules
>
> I found out that for queries and tables this is fairly simple using DAO
>
> However things get's a bit daunting with forms and modules since I can't
> seem to find a way to access these objects without opening them
>
> You can reference stuff thru Application.For ms and Application.Mod ulesbut > these only contain the currently opened forms / modules and I need *all*
> forms
>
> CurrentProject. AllForms lists all forms but returns only AccessObject's
> which basicly means I can only get the name of form and if it's been

loaded.

> But I can't reference it without loading it which is well let me say

pretty

> anoying
>
> I know I can do
>
> DoCmd.OpenForm formName, , , , , acHidden
>
> and then later close it, but that seems rather hackish and has some

problems

>
> For modules things get even more messy since I don't think you can opena > module in hidden mode, So when I open the form with DoCmd.openModul e the

vba

> environment pops up. not very elegant.. to say the least
>
> The only workaround I've found sofar is using the *shrug* undocumented
> Application.Sav eAsText function to look inside the code , change it on

disk

> and then reeimport it with Application.Loa dFromText
>
> Could someone suggest a more elegant way?
>
>

[Steve Jorgensen]

On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 01:47:41 +0100, "Jelmer" <jk******@plane t.nl> wrote:

Hi I've been trying to create an addin similar to Find & Replace from Rick
Fisher that looks thru your tables / queries / forms / modules etc.. for a
reference to a string and optionally let's you replace it.

In order to get this to work I need to get

- the tablenames and columnnames
- the queries in plaintext
- the properties of a form and the properties of elements contained within
it
- the sourcecode in the various vb modules formmodules and classmodules
....I know I can do

DoCmd.OpenFo rm formName, , , , , acHidden

and then later close it, but that seems rather hackish and has some problems
Definitely problematic in that form, but not so bad if you specify design mode
for opening. That is, in fact, what Speed Ferret and other similar tools do
to search forms and reports. If you use design view, then the only issue is
to make sure all forms and reports are closed before you run the code.
For modules things get even more messy since I don't think you can open a
module in hidden mode, So when I open the form with DoCmd.openModul e the vba
environment pops up. not very elegant.. to say the least

The only workaround I've found sofar is using the *shrug* undocumented
Application.Sa veAsText function to look inside the code , change it on disk
and then reeimport it with Application.Loa dFromText

Could someone suggest a more elegant way?

The VBIDE library appears to allow working with modules without opening editor
windows.