Zend framework and Rasmus' "The no-framework PHP MVC framework"

The Zend framework preview release is out
<http://framework.zend.com/> and I don't know why such PEAR like (yet
another) framework is needed.

At the same time, Rasmus' article
<http://toys.lerdorf.com/archives/38-The-no-framework-PHP-MVC-framework.html>
is quite contrary to Zend's move (if I'm right).

What you guys think?

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re: Zend framework and Rasmus' "The no-framework PHP MVC framework"

R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah wrote:[color=blue]
>
> The Zend framework preview release is out
> <http://framework.zend.com/> and I don't know why such
> PEAR like (yet another) framework is needed.[/color]

There are two reaons I can think of:

1. To make a clean break with PHP 4, and
2. To get rid of multiple library dependencies.

It's also possible that their framework could eventually morph into an
addition to the commercial Zend Platform...
[color=blue]
> At the same time, Rasmus' article
> <http://toys.lerdorf.com/archives/38-The-no-framework-PHP-MVC-framework.html>
> is quite contrary to Zend's move (if I'm right).[/color]

To an extent... Rasmus, I think, is trying to create something that
could potentially be used by a non-programmer (e.g., a domain expert).
Hence, emphasis on simplicity, usability, and performance. The Zend
team seems to go out of their way to appease programmers with C++ and
Java backgrounds. So they are all into patterns, abstractions,
tooling, etc.

Cheers,
NC

re: Zend framework and Rasmus' "The no-framework PHP MVC framework"

NC wrote:[color=blue]
> R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah wrote:[color=green]
> >
> > The Zend framework preview release is out
> > <http://framework.zend.com/> and I don't know why such
> > PEAR like (yet another) framework is needed.[/color]
>
> There are two reaons I can think of:
>
> 1. To make a clean break with PHP 4, and
> 2. To get rid of multiple library dependencies.
>
> It's also possible that their framework could eventually morph into an
> addition to the commercial Zend Platform...[/color]
<snip>

Yup, that might be the reason. But, as far I have seen it's still
looks like a library much similar to PEAR and I guess, it would kill
PEAR.

FWIW, companies migrating to PHP will have more headache now:
whether to adopt framework and if which one.

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re: Zend framework and Rasmus' "The no-framework PHP MVC framework"

R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah wrote:[color=blue]
>
> FWIW, companies migrating to PHP will have more headache now:
> whether to adopt framework and if which one.[/color]

Nah... The disorganized will decide to make no decision (i.e., use
whatever the current resident development guru thinks is cool this
year); the better-organized will invest in a well-documented
proprietary framework or foundation library.

Cheers,
NC