Is it me or has anyone noticed that F1 is really dumb in VS2005. Since VB3 I
have been able to click F1 on an ambiguous method in code and the IDE
automatically determines the type based on the code itself and shows the
right help topic. This even worked more or less in VS2003.
But in VS2005, if I highlight the "Host" method below and hit F1 I get a
help topic on the "UriBuilder.Hos t" property. Huh????? That's dumb.
Dim o as New System.Net.Mail .SmtpClient
o.Host = ...
16  1647 
Oh I see said the blind man. If you DON'T *highlight* the method call but
just put the cursor on it, then F1 behaves as it should. If you instead
highlight the whole word, it does a generic (and pretty much always
innacurate) search.
"CMM" <cm*@nospam.com > wrote in message
news:e5******** *******@TK2MSFT NGP09.phx.gbl.. . Is it me or has anyone noticed that F1 is really dumb in VS2005. Since VB3
I have been able to click F1 on an ambiguous method in code and the IDE
automatically determines the type based on the code itself and shows the
right help topic. This even worked more or less in VS2003.
But in VS2005, if I highlight the "Host" method below and hit F1 I get a
help topic on the "UriBuilder.Hos t" property. Huh????? That's dumb.
Dim o as New System.Net.Mail .SmtpClient
o.Host = ...
The important thing to remember is that Microsoft is constantly evolving their help systems so that just about the time a developer is comfortable with the
current system they change it - often for the worse.
You'd think that after 20 some years we would have a help system that:
A. Worked
B. Was consistent
but heh another half-assed wiz bang RAD tool is what we really need!!
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 04:03:53 -0500, "CMM" <cm*@nospam.com > wrote: Oh I see said the blind man. If you DON'T *highlight* the method call but
just put the cursor on it, then F1 behaves as it should. If you instead
highlight the whole word, it does a generic (and pretty much always
innacurate) search.
"CMM" <cm*@nospam.com > wrote in message
news:e5******* ********@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. .. Is it me or has anyone noticed that F1 is really dumb in VS2005. Since VB3
I have been able to click F1 on an ambiguous method in code and the IDE
automatically determines the type based on the code itself and shows the
right help topic. This even worked more or less in VS2003.
But in VS2005, if I highlight the "Host" method below and hit F1 I get a
help topic on the "UriBuilder.Hos t" property. Huh????? That's dumb.
Dim o as New System.Net.Mail .SmtpClient
o.Host = ...
If you don't like the IDE then use the command line SDK and see how
productive you are...
"Jay Pondy" <jp****@bellsou th.net> wrote in message
news:lm******** *************** *********@4ax.c om... The important thing to remember is that Microsoft is constantly evolving
their help systems so that just about the time a developer is comfortable
with the
current system they change it - often for the worse.
You'd think that after 20 some years we would have a help system that:
A. Worked
B. Was consistent
but heh another half-assed wiz bang RAD tool is what we really need!!
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 04:03:53 -0500, "CMM" <cm*@nospam.com > wrote:
Oh I see said the blind man. If you DON'T *highlight* the method call but
just put the cursor on it, then F1 behaves as it should. If you instead
highlight the whole word, it does a generic (and pretty much always
innacurate) search.
"CMM" <cm*@nospam.com > wrote in message
news:e5****** *********@TK2MS FTNGP09.phx.gbl ... Is it me or has anyone noticed that F1 is really dumb in VS2005. Since
VB3
I have been able to click F1 on an ambiguous method in code and the IDE
automatically determines the type based on the code itself and shows the
right help topic. This even worked more or less in VS2003.
But in VS2005, if I highlight the "Host" method below and hit F1 I get a
help topic on the "UriBuilder.Hos t" property. Huh????? That's dumb.
Dim o as New System.Net.Mail .SmtpClient
o.Host = ...
"Brooke" <tb******@hotma il.com> wrote in message
news:e%******** *******@TK2MSFT NGP15.phx.gbl.. . If you don't like the IDE then use the command line SDK and see how
productive you are...
I've always hated comments such as these. They're argumentative and
pointless. Why can't users gripe?
Yes, I think the VS2005 IDE SUCKS!. Yes, it's still better than nothing. I
like the language changes and the new framework features... they're great!
But the IDE was "improved" by monkeys.
Moving from VB6 straight to VS2003 several years ago, I found the new IDE to
be my-god incredible. I loved it. But, with this release. I think they've
been hit with the "Dilbert Syndrome." For instance, they change the whole
"feel" of the IDE, spend weeks on the toolbox tabs and suppossedly taking
user input (probably the same kiddie users/developers whose apps look
nothing like Windows apps and have orange backgrounds and oversized
obnoxious buttons)... and they end up with really kiddie looking tabs that
don't even look like tabs. Then they can't manage to put icons on the tabs
that do matter, the document tabs!!!.. switching between open documents in
VS2005 is still ANNOYING- I usually click two or three times to find the
right document (myform.aspx.vb , myform.aspx, myform.... which one is it!!!?
Oh I see it now!). An icon in the tabs to indicate
"code/designer/resource/etc" would be sooooooooo helpful. But spending time
on the gee-whiz flying toolboxes I'm sure was may more interesting.
Then they move the View Code/View Designer buttons in Solution Explorer to
the middle of the bar. My god.... these buttons had been in the same exact
location (first and front all the way on the right--- super easy to get to)
since VB3 (and before that I think)!!! Hitting them was like second nature
and reflexive. Then, they can't give us the option to at least put them
back!!! This is BAD!
I could go on.
Of course users can gripe.
But, if you have a gripe with Microsoft, (as it appears from your epistle),
why gripe to us.
I always find that the best way to vent a gripe with a vendor/supplier is to
take the matter up with the vendor/supplier concerned.
If there's one thing that life has taught me, it is that Tom doesn't really
care a fig about a gripe that I might have with Harry.
"CMM" <cm*@nospam.com > wrote in message
news:%2******** *******@TK2MSFT NGP14.phx.gbl.. . "Brooke" <tb******@hotma il.com> wrote in message
news:e%******** *******@TK2MSFT NGP15.phx.gbl.. . If you don't like the IDE then use the command line SDK and see how
productive you are...
I've always hated comments such as these. They're argumentative and
pointless. Why can't users gripe?
Yes, I think the VS2005 IDE SUCKS!. Yes, it's still better than nothing. I
like the language changes and the new framework features... they're great!
But the IDE was "improved" by monkeys.
Moving from VB6 straight to VS2003 several years ago, I found the new IDE
to be my-god incredible. I loved it. But, with this release. I think
they've been hit with the "Dilbert Syndrome." For instance, they change
the whole "feel" of the IDE, spend weeks on the toolbox tabs and
suppossedly taking user input (probably the same kiddie users/developers
whose apps look nothing like Windows apps and have orange backgrounds and
oversized obnoxious buttons)... and they end up with really kiddie looking
tabs that don't even look like tabs. Then they can't manage to put icons
on the tabs that do matter, the document tabs!!!.. switching between open
documents in VS2005 is still ANNOYING- I usually click two or three times
to find the right document (myform.aspx.vb , myform.aspx, myform.... which
one is it!!!? Oh I see it now!). An icon in the tabs to indicate
"code/designer/resource/etc" would be sooooooooo helpful. But spending
time on the gee-whiz flying toolboxes I'm sure was may more interesting.
Then they move the View Code/View Designer buttons in Solution Explorer to
the middle of the bar. My god.... these buttons had been in the same exact
location (first and front all the way on the right--- super easy to get
to) since VB3 (and before that I think)!!! Hitting them was like second
nature and reflexive. Then, they can't give us the option to at least put
them back!!! This is BAD!
I could go on.
CMM wrote: Yes, I think the VS2005 IDE SUCKS!. Yes, it's still better than
nothing. I like the language changes and the new framework
features... they're great! But the IDE was "improved" by monkeys.
Really? I very much like the VS2005 IDE, more so than the VS2003 IDE (which
was itself a lot better than VB6)...
--
(O)enone
What's better about the VS2005 IDE?
And, I mean the IDE itself not the framework improvments or project model
changes.
One things I will say is that it's a lot faster. VS2005 loads up about 10
times faster on my machine than VS2003 and it seems a lot more optimized.
I also like the new Intellisense and "Grammer Warnings" in VB ("This
variable is not used", etc.). But the IDE itself- toolboxes, code windows,
designers (the wysiwyg HTML/ASP designer still sucks!), are not much
improved at all. The Property Editor is still uninspired and cumbersome. In
short.... after 3 years I expected a lot more.
"Oenone" <oe****@nowhere .com> wrote in message
news:wO******** ***********@new sfe3-gui.ntli.net... CMM wrote: Yes, I think the VS2005 IDE SUCKS!. Yes, it's still better than
nothing. I like the language changes and the new framework
features... they're great! But the IDE was "improved" by monkeys.
Really? I very much like the VS2005 IDE, more so than the VS2003 IDE
(which was itself a lot better than VB6)...
--
(O)enone
Well, a forum like this is a perfect place to gripe. People can discuss
workarounds, reasonings for things, user interface theories, and change each
other's minds. This is how ideas happen. It's like a symposium. Microsoft
looks at these forums. We know they do. And, "buzz" in places like this is
sometimes a lot more educational to the developers of the product than the
mechanized, antiseptic bug-tracking computer at labs.microsoft. com.
"Stephany Young" <noone@localhos t> wrote in message
news:uD******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl... Of course users can gripe.
But, if you have a gripe with Microsoft, (as it appears from your
epistle), why gripe to us.
I always find that the best way to vent a gripe with a vendor/supplier is
to take the matter up with the vendor/supplier concerned.
If there's one thing that life has taught me, it is that Tom doesn't
really care a fig about a gripe that I might have with Harry.
"CMM" <cm*@nospam.com > wrote in message
news:%2******** *******@TK2MSFT NGP14.phx.gbl.. . "Brooke" <tb******@hotma il.com> wrote in message
news:e%******** *******@TK2MSFT NGP15.phx.gbl.. . If you don't like the IDE then use the command line SDK and see how
productive you are...
I've always hated comments such as these. They're argumentative and
pointless. Why can't users gripe?
Yes, I think the VS2005 IDE SUCKS!. Yes, it's still better than nothing.
I like the language changes and the new framework features... they're
great! But the IDE was "improved" by monkeys.
Moving from VB6 straight to VS2003 several years ago, I found the new IDE
to be my-god incredible. I loved it. But, with this release. I think
they've been hit with the "Dilbert Syndrome." For instance, they change
the whole "feel" of the IDE, spend weeks on the toolbox tabs and
suppossedly taking user input (probably the same kiddie users/developers
whose apps look nothing like Windows apps and have orange backgrounds and
oversized obnoxious buttons)... and they end up with really kiddie
looking tabs that don't even look like tabs. Then they can't manage to
put icons on the tabs that do matter, the document tabs!!!.. switching
between open documents in VS2005 is still ANNOYING- I usually click two
or three times to find the right document (myform.aspx.vb , myform.aspx,
myform.... which one is it!!!? Oh I see it now!). An icon in the tabs to
indicate "code/designer/resource/etc" would be sooooooooo helpful. But
spending time on the gee-whiz flying toolboxes I'm sure was may more
interesting.
Then they move the View Code/View Designer buttons in Solution Explorer
to the middle of the bar. My god.... these buttons had been in the same
exact location (first and front all the way on the right--- super easy to
get to) since VB3 (and before that I think)!!! Hitting them was like
second nature and reflexive. Then, they can't give us the option to at
least put them back!!! This is BAD!
I could go on.
I'm in the process of transferring from VB6 to VB2005 and let me begin by
telling, I really like the language and the IDE. Of course it takes some
getting used to, after years and years using the VB6 IDE I was pretty much
"at home" there. I could operate the thing more or less blindfolded.
But the thing is.... The help system gets worse with every new version. Imho
the VB 5.0 help system was perfect. Straight to the point + properties +
methods + events + related topics + clear and consise examples.
The VB6 Help information itself was still ok... although not as good as the
VB5.0. The biggest disadvantage of the VB6 help system was that you had to
go through a lot of garbage that didn't apply, but once you found what you
were looking for it still told you what you needed to know.
I skipped the first 2 releases of VB.Net and went straight from VB6 to
VB2005, so I am not really sure how it evolved to the current chaos, but I
have to say: their help system is absolutely useless! If you try to find how
to fill a treeview (something that has significantly changed from VB6) then
you get buried in all kinds of webclasses, constructors, index pages... up
to a hundred of them. After 45 minutes (not joking, my internet isn't that
fast) I finally found a page with a few lines of information and a
"example". The problem was that the guy who wrote the example wanted to show
off how good he was in VB so he buried the actual example in all kinds of
acrobatics with listarrays and what not. Like I said, I'm a beginner in
VB.NET/2005 and I don't have a clue (yet) what listarrays are. By the time I
want to learn about those, I will try to find the subject 'ListArrays'.
Today however I wanted to learn about the treeview, so they should not
obscure the treeview example with listarray acrobatics.
Really, this help system is the biggest collection of garbage I have ever
seen, and after struggling with it for a while I decided this afternoon to
close it for the last time and buy me a book....
So, let's all ask Microsoft to give the guys who wrote the VB5.0 helpfile
their job back!
Martin
"Jay Pondy" <jp****@bellsou th.net> wrote in message
news:lm******** *************** *********@4ax.c om... The important thing to remember is that Microsoft is constantly evolving
their help systems so that just about the time a developer is comfortable
with the
current system they change it - often for the worse.
You'd think that after 20 some years we would have a help system that:
A. Worked
B. Was consistent
but heh another half-assed wiz bang RAD tool is what we really need!!
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 04:03:53 -0500, "CMM" <cm*@nospam.com > wrote:
Oh I see said the blind man. If you DON'T *highlight* the method call but
just put the cursor on it, then F1 behaves as it should. If you instead
highlight the whole word, it does a generic (and pretty much always
innacurate) search.
"CMM" <cm*@nospam.com > wrote in message
news:e5****** *********@TK2MS FTNGP09.phx.gbl ... Is it me or has anyone noticed that F1 is really dumb in VS2005. Since
VB3
I have been able to click F1 on an ambiguous method in code and the IDE
automatically determines the type based on the code itself and shows the
right help topic. This even worked more or less in VS2003.
But in VS2005, if I highlight the "Host" method below and hit F1 I get a
help topic on the "UriBuilder.Hos t" property. Huh????? That's dumb.
Dim o as New System.Net.Mail .SmtpClient
o.Host = ...
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