Ok I have been programming in vb.net since it was released. I love it and I have a great time seeing my code come to life. Recently I have been seeking to expand my horizons(ie looking for a new job). I see a lot of C# jobs...C# this C# that. So I think to myself, ok ill start learning C#. So I start working on programs that I already have done in vb.net and working on transitioning them to C#.
I have come to the conclusion that intellisense in C# should be called dumbsense.
Property Creation is a pain.
Line terminators (Why are they needed?)
I couldnt get the class dropdowns to work like in vb.net....
Mostly I think C# is for those coders who like to bang their head against the wall....
CoderVB: So how was your day today? I got 3 different controls written and debugged.....
CoderC#: PAH! See this welt on my head? thats from the wall, see my cast on my arm? I got TCS from all the typing
CoderVB: Erm...ok Well what are you coding in?
CoderC#:<puffs out chest> I code in C#....
CoderVB:<to himself>hmm...B roken Head, Broken Wrist.....Nope Ill stick to my "inferior" vb.net.
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--Eric Cathell, MCSA 15  978 
All that really means is that MS put a lot more work in writing a good IDE for VB then for C#. It has absolutely nothing to do with the language itself (other then the line terminator complaint).
"ECathell" <ec******@nospa m.com> wrote in message news:uU******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...
Ok I have been programming in vb.net since it was released. I love it and I have a great time seeing my code come to life. Recently I have been seeking to expand my horizons(ie looking for a new job). I see a lot of C# jobs...C# this C# that. So I think to myself, ok ill start learning C#. So I start working on programs that I already have done in vb.net and working on transitioning them to C#.
I have come to the conclusion that intellisense in C# should be called dumbsense.
Property Creation is a pain.
Line terminators (Why are they needed?)
I couldnt get the class dropdowns to work like in vb.net....
Mostly I think C# is for those coders who like to bang their head against the wall....
CoderVB: So how was your day today? I got 3 different controls written and debugged.....
CoderC#: PAH! See this welt on my head? thats from the wall, see my cast on my arm? I got TCS from all the typing
CoderVB: Erm...ok Well what are you coding in?
CoderC#:<puffs out chest> I code in C#....
CoderVB:<to himself>hmm...B roken Head, Broken Wrist.....Nope Ill stick to my "inferior" vb.net.
--
--Eric Cathell, MCSA
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:07:57 -0400, "Marina" <so*****@nospam .com>
wrote: All that really means is that MS put a lot more work in writing a good IDE for VB then for C#. It has absolutely nothing to do with the language itself (other then the line terminator complaint).
Its not just the IDE. VB.Net has a background compilation mechanism
which enables better intellisense. C# lacks this feature in VS.Net
2003. I'm not sure about VS.Net 2005.
Isn't that also a feature of the IDE? VB.NET itself is just a syntax for
writing code, it has no compilation mechanisms
Again, not a feature of the language.
"Bradley" <pl****@nospam. com> wrote in message
news:ia******** *************** *********@4ax.c om... On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:07:57 -0400, "Marina" <so*****@nospam .com>
wrote:
All that really means is that MS put a lot more work in writing a good IDE
for VB then for C#. It has absolutely nothing to do with the language
itself (other then the line terminator complaint).
Its not just the IDE. VB.Net has a background compilation mechanism
which enables better intellisense. C# lacks this feature in VS.Net
2003. I'm not sure about VS.Net 2005.
;-) ,,,, i have been there ,,,
i code since theirteen years of age in Basic (started on the C64 ,,, i am
now 31 ) despite of all people calling the VB language inferior, VB with
or without the .Net will always be my main language as i can code 10 to 20
times faster in my native tongue ,,,,
I started with C# as i noticed that a lot of interesting examples or open
projects were only availlable in C# ( sharpziplib, sharpSQL etc etc etc )
curious as i am i started with C# but for me it will always be a extra
language that , i might use in some situations , maybe this could be a good
way for you to ( and it looks nice on your CV if you can add multiple
languages below your expertise in VB )
regards
Happy VB / VB.Net coding
Michel Posseth [MCP]
"ECathell" <ec******@nospa m.com> wrote in message
news:uU******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...
Ok I have been programming in vb.net since it was released. I love it and I
have a great time seeing my code come to life. Recently I have been seeking
to expand my horizons(ie looking for a new job). I see a lot of C# jobs...C#
this C# that. So I think to myself, ok ill start learning C#. So I start
working on programs that I already have done in vb.net and working on
transitioning them to C#.
I have come to the conclusion that intellisense in C# should be called
dumbsense.
Property Creation is a pain.
Line terminators (Why are they needed?)
I couldnt get the class dropdowns to work like in vb.net....
Mostly I think C# is for those coders who like to bang their head against
the wall....
CoderVB: So how was your day today? I got 3 different controls written and
debugged.....
CoderC#: PAH! See this welt on my head? thats from the wall, see my cast on
my arm? I got TCS from all the typing
CoderVB: Erm...ok Well what are you coding in?
CoderC#:<puffs out chest> I code in C#....
CoderVB:<to himself>hmm...B roken Head, Broken Wrist.....Nope Ill stick to my
"inferior" vb.net.
--
--Eric Cathell, MCSA
you are right, I guess its is more of a tool complaint than a language complaint. Even the property creation issue would be better if the code completion was as good as it is for VB.NET....
--
--Eric Cathell, MCSA
"Marina" <so*****@nospam .com> wrote in message news:eo******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP15.phx.gbl...
All that really means is that MS put a lot more work in writing a good IDE for VB then for C#. It has absolutely nothing to do with the language itself (other then the line terminator complaint).
"ECathell" <ec******@nospa m.com> wrote in message news:uU******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...
Ok I have been programming in vb.net since it was released. I love it and I have a great time seeing my code come to life. Recently I have been seeking to expand my horizons(ie looking for a new job). I see a lot of C# jobs...C# this C# that. So I think to myself, ok ill start learning C#. So I start working on programs that I already have done in vb.net and working on transitioning them to C#.
I have come to the conclusion that intellisense in C# should be called dumbsense.
Property Creation is a pain.
Line terminators (Why are they needed?)
I couldnt get the class dropdowns to work like in vb.net....
Mostly I think C# is for those coders who like to bang their head against the wall....
CoderVB: So how was your day today? I got 3 different controls written and debugged.....
CoderC#: PAH! See this welt on my head? thats from the wall, see my cast on my arm? I got TCS from all the typing
CoderVB: Erm...ok Well what are you coding in?
CoderC#:<puffs out chest> I code in C#....
CoderVB:<to himself>hmm...B roken Head, Broken Wrist.....Nope Ill stick to my "inferior" vb.net.
--
--Eric Cathell, MCSA
One thing I found, is that if you work exclusively in one language, you learn to get used to its limitations and strengths after a while.
Part of it is just the order of things. For example, in VB you say : Dim obj As Object.
In C# you say : Object obj;
So, VB.NET can pop up a list of classes after you type 'Dim obj As'.
C# can't, since the class name is the first word on the line.
I have my list of complaints about the VB.NET IDE that makes coding a pain sometimes. For example, I can't see the list of event handlers attached to my controls in the designer - only in code in the dropdown. I can't see a list of all the methods I have defined in that dropdown at the top of the code page - they are filtered by the dropdown on the left, by object. Well, I don't care if the method is handler for some object's event or not - I just want to see them all so that I can jump around the code quickly!
So no IDE is perfect. I think some of these issues might be fixed with 2005, but there will always be something to complain about.
"ECathell" <ec******@nospa m.com> wrote in message news:eB******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...
you are right, I guess its is more of a tool complaint than a language complaint. Even the property creation issue would be better if the code completion was as good as it is for VB.NET....
--
--Eric Cathell, MCSA
"Marina" <so*****@nospam .com> wrote in message news:eo******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP15.phx.gbl...
All that really means is that MS put a lot more work in writing a good IDE for VB then for C#. It has absolutely nothing to do with the language itself (other then the line terminator complaint).
"ECathell" <ec******@nospa m.com> wrote in message news:uU******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...
Ok I have been programming in vb.net since it was released. I love it and I have a great time seeing my code come to life. Recently I have been seeking to expand my horizons(ie looking for a new job). I see a lot of C# jobs...C# this C# that. So I think to myself, ok ill start learning C#. So I start working on programs that I already have done in vb.net and working on transitioning them to C#.
I have come to the conclusion that intellisense in C# should be called dumbsense.
Property Creation is a pain.
Line terminators (Why are they needed?)
I couldnt get the class dropdowns to work like in vb.net....
Mostly I think C# is for those coders who like to bang their head against the wall....
CoderVB: So how was your day today? I got 3 different controls written and debugged.....
CoderC#: PAH! See this welt on my head? thats from the wall, see my cast on my arm? I got TCS from all the typing
CoderVB: Erm...ok Well what are you coding in?
CoderC#:<puffs out chest> I code in C#....
CoderVB:<to himself>hmm...B roken Head, Broken Wrist.....Nope Ill stick to my "inferior" vb.net.
--
--Eric Cathell, MCSA
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:20:37 -0400, "Marina" <so*****@nospam .com>
wrote: Isn't that also a feature of the IDE? VB.NET itself is just a syntax for
writing code, it has no compilation mechanisms
Again, not a feature of the language.
I guess it all depends on your angle. Since the VB language has it
and C# language doesn't, one could argue that its a feature of the
language.
Personally I think of a compiler of any sort as an entity that is
completely separate from the IDE.. but admittedly it might not be in
the case of VB.Net.
"Bradley" <pl****@nospam. com> wrote in message
news:ia******* *************** **********@4ax. com... On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:07:57 -0400, "Marina" <so*****@nospam .com>
wrote:
All that really means is that MS put a lot more work in writing a good IDE
for VB then for C#. It has absolutely nothing to do with the language
itself (other then the line terminator complaint).
Its not just the IDE. VB.Net has a background compilation mechanism
which enables better intellisense. C# lacks this feature in VS.Net
2003. I'm not sure about VS.Net 2005.
"Bradley" <pl****@nospam. com> schrieb: All that really means is that MS put a lot more work in writing a good IDE
for VB then for C#. It has absolutely nothing to do with the language
itself (other then the line terminator complaint).
Its not just the IDE. VB.Net has a background compilation mechanism
which enables better intellisense. C# lacks this feature in VS.Net
2003. I'm not sure about VS.Net 2005.
C# sadly has far more code-formatting options and better IntelliSense
support than VB in Whidbey. Edit and Continue is supported for both
languages, however, VB's support is better than those of C#. The VB IDE has
some advantages over the C# IDE and vice-versa.
--
M S Herfried K. Wagner
M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
V B <URL:http://classicvb.org/petition/>
"Marina" <so*****@nospam .com> schrieb: Part of it is just the order of things. For example, in VB you say : Dim
obj As Object.
In C# you say : Object obj;
So, VB.NET can pop up a list of classes after you type 'Dim obj As'.
C# can't, since the class name is the first word on the line.
Yeah, that's simply caused by the ancient syntax design of C#, which is in
no way optimized for the use with modern IDEs.
--
M S Herfried K. Wagner
M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
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